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Author: rnam   😊 😞
Number: of 15068 
Subject: Maui fire inverse condemnation
Date: 08/22/2023 7:55 PM
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Hawaiian Electric had used both private and public land to set up its power lines ' some of which was destroyed by the fires. Even if the damage caused by the utility's equipment was an accident, fire victims have the constitutional right to seek compensation for it if they can show that Hawaiian Electric was functioning like a government agency.

The legal argument, known as inverse condemnation, in which a property owner can sue the government for damages, is related to the constitutional process of eminent domain ' the power of a government to take private property for public infrastructure projects, and in return compensate the owner for it.

Using the legal shortcut, Maui property owners would be entitled to recover their losses without having to prove that the utility acted recklessly. In this case, Hawaiian Electric would be on the hook for damaged property.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/08/22/breaking...

If this tactic succeeds Berkshire's utilities could be on the hook for damages even if there was no negligence. Maybe insurance companies could be held liable for losses they never covered. USA leads the world in innovation, not just in tech but also in litigation.
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Author: knighttof3   😊 😞
Number: of 15068 
Subject: Re: Maui fire inverse condemnation
Date: 08/26/2023 2:41 PM
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Why the outrage?

If I store a vat of acid in your garage, and it spills, should you have no recourse?
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Number: of 48473 
Subject: Re: Maui fire inverse condemnation
Date: 08/26/2023 3:10 PM
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Even if the damage caused by the utility's equipment was an accident, fire victims have the constitutional right to seek compensation for it if they can show that Hawaiian Electric was functioning like a government agency.
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If I store a vat of acid in your garage, and it spills, should you have no recourse?


I think the key bit would be the test of "caused by the utility's equipment".

Did the vat of acid leak because, say, the vat was getting near its expected lifetime? The acid owner oughta pay.
Or was it because someone else set the garage on fire, causing the vat to get crushed when the roof fell in? No, the acid owner shouldn't pay.
If the proximate and/or underlying cause was something that no reasonable person would call plausibly foreseeable (rhino fell from transport plan onto garage?), then also probably not.

The grey zone is kind of like the ones faced by Tepco executives: was it a risk that might well be unlikely, but a reasonable person would have called foreseeable and entirely possible.
e.g., the acid vat was at the back of a garage being used regularly for parking. Everybody knows that once in ever 5000 times parking a car you'll bump the back of the garage, but the tank wasn't built to withstand that.
In this case, I'd hold the acid owner liable.

In the real world, of course, what makes sense might not matter much. Laws, contracts, luck, money...

Jim
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Author: WEBspired   😊 😞
Number: of 48473 
Subject: Re: Maui fire inverse condemnation
Date: 08/26/2023 6:38 PM
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You're giving me a cool flashback to a few decades ago to my university class in Tort law & negligence- duty of care, breach of the duty & loss or damage as a result of the breach. Fun presentations, challenges & discussions with our eccentric tutor, but quite happy I chose a field other than law! :)

I think BRK owned Pinkerton years ago & WEB said the optimal owner of these security firms should have a net worth of a $100 vs. billions pockets given the enormous verdicts of sympathetic judges and certain juries over the last several decades. WEB's Chief Risk Officer skills have been underrated imo.
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