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No. of Recommendations: 13
Among the last batch of pardons Biden issued were pardons to the police officers who testified before the Jan 6 committee.
The first pardons Trump issued were to the criminals who assaulted and beat those police officers.
No. of Recommendations: 3
So when all these pardons are done....
Send the ACLU to protect the criminals, and talk to your politicians to defund the cops.
You got it made.
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Among the last batch of pardons Biden issued were pardons
…for drug dealing cop killers and left wing terrorist cop killers.
You forgot that part.
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for drug dealing cop killers and left wing terrorist cop killers.
I looked through Biden's last minute pardons and didn't see any cop killers. Obviously I missed something. Please name the persons pardoned that were cop killers so I can find out more about them.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 3
I looked through Biden's last minute pardons and didn't see any cop killers. Obviously I missed something. Please name the persons pardoned that were cop killers so I can find out more about them.Wow. The media is burying this one also.
Let's start with these two: Ferrone Claiborne and Terence Richardson
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/biden-grants-clemency-...More details on the case:
https://theappeal.org/terrence-richardson-ferrone-...There are claims of exculpatory evidence with these two, but Glenn Youngkin blasted the release in his statement.
But the biggest scum bag that Biden gave clemency to is Leonard Peltier.
https://apnews.com/article/leonard-peltier-biden-p...Petier was a member of AIM, the American Indian Movement and was convicted for the execution-style murder of two FBI agents.
Wray wrote Biden a letter about it:
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/20/g-s1-43859/biden-fb...“Peltier is a remorseless killer, who brutally murdered two of our own,” former FBI Director Christopher Wray wrote in a letter to Biden on Jan. 10. “Mr. President, I urge you in the strongest terms possible: Do not pardon Leonard Peltier or cut his sentence short. It would be shattering to the victims’ loved ones and undermine the principles of justice and accountability that our government should represent.”Outgoing FBI director Wray also said this about a possible parole for him:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/director-wrays-l...The facts of Peltier’s crimes are well-established and beyond dispute. On June 26, 1975, Special Agents Jack R. Coler and Ronald A. Williams were searching for a fugitive when Peltier and others mowed them down in a barrage of gunfire.3 Peltier’s group fired more than a hundred rounds, compared to the five the two outnumbered agents were able to fire in return.4 After the onslaught, Peltier approached the wounded young men and brutally executed them at close range.5
Peltier shot Special Agent Coler twice in the head as he lay on the ground unconscious.6 Special Agent Williams was on his knees, unable to stand, when Peltier shot him in the face through an outstretched hand.7 The fatal shots were fired from a high-velocity, small-caliber firearm. Eyewitnesses placed the murder weapon in Peltier’s hands,8 and a .223-caliber cartridge retrieved from the trunk of one of the agent’s cars was later linked ballistically to Peltier’s AR-15.9
No. of Recommendations: 16
Let's start with these two: Ferrone Claiborne and Terence Richardson
Let's. These two went to trial for murder and were acquitted. Found not guilty. Legally, they are not cop killers. But in the second article, which you apparently didn't actually read, we learn that the cops completely messed up this case, including the police chief himself handling the murder weapon without gloves on and destroying evidence in the process. Prosecutors also failed to tell the defendants about exculpatory evidence they had collected, further damaging the case against them. What they did get convicted of is a drug charge. But the judge sentenced them to life in prison on the drug charge.
I'm not omniscient. I don't know if they really did kill the cop or not. But I do know that from a legal standpoint, they are NOT cop killers because they were tried for that crime and found not guilty.
But you don't get any of that information from Fox news lying to you. They just rant and rave about "cop killers" being set free so that you will get riled up and fearful. Fearful people are profitable people to Fox. Do you like being used by Fox? Apparently so, as you just keep going back for lie after lie.
As to Biden's actions - he did NOT pardon these two. He commuted their sentence - shortened it to time served. So they remain convicted criminals who have served their time in prison.
Glenn Youngkin? I don't care what he said about the case. His opinion is irrelevant. What is relevant is the opinion of the 12 men and women who heard the evidence against these two men and found it lacking.
Leonard Peltier.
On a quick reading, this one is considerably more complicated. But I would not say that the "facts are beyond dispute" as Wray claims. The evidence is circumstantial. (Peltier owned a gun of the type used in the shooting.) Once again, exculpatory evidence was withheld from the defense. (Ballistics could not connect Peltier's gun with the rounds that were fired.) Again, I certainly don't know everything about this case, as I've only been reading for 20 or 30 minutes. But unlike the above two, the evidence was sufficient to obtain a conviction, and has withstood multiple appeals.
On the other hand, murderers often don't serve their full sentences. Many get paroled after 20 or 30 years or so. Peltier has been in prison for over 50 years and is in declining health. He most likely does not present a danger to society. I can see an argument that it's time for some mercy (there's that nasty word again) and allow him to get out of prison and be with his family for his final couple of years. Again, Biden did not pardon Peltier, he commuted his sentence.
But let me ask you this question. If you are upset about 1 cop killer being released from prison after serving 50 years for his crime, shouldn't you also be upset about 1500 convicted cop assaulters being completely pardoned of their crimes? Which of these represents a greater risk to the public - 1 80 year old man in failing health or 1500 young and middle aged people who don't think that their assaults were a crime at all?
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 1
1500 convicted cop assaulters being completely pardoned of their crimes? Which of these represents a greater risk to the public - 1 80 year old man in failing health or 1500 young and middle aged people who don't think that their assaults were a crime at all?
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Getting swept up in your rhetoric as you exaggerate that 1,500 cop assaulters being pardoned... The actual number is around 350....
The Department of Justice released numbers on its website in October 2023 detailing arrests made, criminal charges, plea deals, criminal trials, sentencing.
According to the DOJ, approximately 350 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including 110 people charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
Other crimes, not involving violence include:
935 defendants were charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds.
310 defendants charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding or attempting to do so.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Let's. These two went to trial for murder and were acquitted. Found not guilty. Legally, they are not cop killers. But in the second article, which you apparently didn't actually read,
I read it and noted there was potential exculpatory evidence. You, in your rush to be a d-bag, seemed to have not read that part.
But I would not say that the "facts are beyond dispute" as Wray claims. The evidence is circumstantial.
That's nice.
Peltier killed 2 FBI agents, and judging by your ignorance of the topic (you had never heard of this) the media sources that you follow aren't talking about it. Par for the course.
shouldn't you also be upset about 1500 convicted cop assaulters
Here's where your sources let you down again. Is that what all 1500 were accused of? No.
No. of Recommendations: 2
935 defendants were charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds.
310 defendants charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding or attempting to do so.
Yup. Not everyone who was there got violent. One woman was at the Capitol, saw an open door, walked through it, and left without interacting with anybody. The feds threw her in the clink.
Then you have the guy who's been awaiting trial for 4 years. And the people thrown into solitary confinement.
"Normal" doesn't come into picture to describe all the things the feds did here.
No. of Recommendations: 7
According to the DOJ, approximately 350 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including 110 people charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
And without exception, they were handed a get out of jail free card.
Donny now has the core cadre for his paramilitary Brownshirts.
Extra-legal violence on Trump’s behalf has now been encouraged, protected and validated.
Going forward, that’s the most important point.
And in this, he is following the dictator’s playbook. Every dictator has his paramilitary thugs and death squads. That’s where some/many? Of these guys will end up
Proud Boys were marching in Washington the other day, chanting “Whose streets? Our streets!”
Bad wind blowin’, Mike.
No. of Recommendations: 5
Yup. Not everyone who was there got violent. One woman was at the Capitol, saw an open door, walked through it, and left without interacting with anybody. The feds threw her in the clink.
Then you have the guy who's been awaiting trial for 4 years. And the people thrown into solitary confinement.
"Normal" doesn't come into picture to describe all the things the feds did here.
Having an insurrection isn't normal either.
No. of Recommendations: 5
"Normal" doesn't come into picture to describe all the things the feds did here.
Ray Epps was a MAGA faithful who was brutalized by MAGA in its program to shift blame to the feds for what happened.
The FBI was certainly there as informers; they’d be negligent if they weren’t. But they weren’t instigators, any more than antifa was.
Jan. 6 was a MAGA production from start to finish. Which explains why, up and down the line, Republicans claim it is old news and none of them want to talk about it.
And Democrats have shown themselves too timid to take it on directly.
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Having an ""insurrection"" isn't normal either.
Added the air quotes you forgot.
Thanks for saying out loud that the Constitution doesn't matter.
No. of Recommendations: 5
The actual number is around 350.
Without agreeing in full, amend my 1500 to 350 and answer the question. Who presents the greater danger to the public? 1 old man or 350 people?
No. of Recommendations: 5
Is that what all 1500 were accused of? No.
Fine. I'm not going to agree that only 300+ were violent. But it will do for my question. So answer it.
Which presents the greater threat to the general public? One old and sickly man or 300+ people?
No. of Recommendations: 0
If 300 people were being violent, then they should serve out their sentences. It's that simple.
I happen to believe in law and order.
Terrorists like Peltier should rot in jail.
No. of Recommendations: 0
Without agreeing in full, amend my 1500 to 350 and answer the question. Who presents the greater danger to the public? 1 old man or 350 people?
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Its a trick question. The answer is one old man if it's Trump.
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""Added the air quotes you forgot.
Thanks for saying out loud that the Constitution doesn't matter. ""
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Who presents the greater danger to the public? 1 old man or 350 people?
The old man is 80 and in ill health too.
No. of Recommendations: 2
If 300 people were being violent, then they should serve out their sentences.
OK. So how do you feel about Trump pardoning (not commuting a sentence, but pardoning) roughly 300 violent cop beaters?
No. of Recommendations: 2
So how do you feel about Trump pardoning (not commuting a sentence, but pardoning) roughly 300 violent cop beaters?
The guy who tazed a cop should be behind bars, and so should anyone else convicted of getting violence.
Your turn.
Do you agree with Biden commuting convicted murderer Leonard Pelktier?
Do you agree or disagree with this statement, "The federal government was probably overzealous in its pursuit of J6 defendants, aggressively prosecuting and sentencing people who would normally be charged with simple misdemeanors like trespassing with much more serious crimes".
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Its a trick question.
No, it's not a trick question. It's a genuine question that I've asked twice and you've avoided twice.
The old man is Peltier, not Trump. Don't try to change my words. The 350 are the rough number of convicted cop attackers who Trump has pardoned.
Do you care to answer the question, or do I get to put an answer in your mouth as you so commonly do for others?
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 7
The guy who tazed a cop should be behind bars, and so should anyone else convicted of getting violence.
See. That wasn't so hard, was it?
So are you going to chastise Trump for pardoning roughly 300 violent people who have been duly convicted of that violence?
Do you agree with Biden commuting convicted murderer Leonard Pelktier?
Yes, I do. He has served more time that most murderers. Sure, there's a few who actually do serve life in prison, but the majority eventually get parole. He has been behind bars for over 50 years. He is also 80 years old and in very poor health. He does not present a danger to society. And he will still be subject to all of the typical post-release conditions. He was not pardoned, his sentence was simply shortened. As a convicted felon, he will not be allowed to posses or be near a firearm.
Do you agree or disagree with this statement, "The federal government was probably overzealous in its pursuit of J6 defendants, aggressively prosecuting and sentencing people who would normally be charged with simple misdemeanors like trespassing with much more serious crimes".
No, I do not. If the mob had dispursed after a brief bit of violence and mayhem, I might have felt differently. But they fought in very literal hand to hand combat for several hours. They refused to back down. They pressed on in their attacks on police officers long past the point of simply making a statement. And they are - for the most part - unrepentant. Many would do it again in a heartbeat if Trump dropped the right hints. Some are reported to comment that the next time they'll bring firearms.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 2
guy who tazed a cop should be behind bars, and so should anyone else convicted of getting violence.
I agree. But that’s not what happened. Trump, as he promised he would, let them go.
Will be interesting to see where tgey all go from here
No. of Recommendations: 5
OK. So how do you feel about Trump pardoning (not commuting a sentence, but pardoning) roughly 300 violent cop beaters?
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Don't approve of it. Trump made a mistake by doing it. Justice was not served.
BTW, since you didn't care to mention it, there were eleven news people who were beat up too. Trump should not have pardoned the news beaters either.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Don't approve of it. Trump made a mistake by doing it
Feature, not a bug.
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So are you going to chastise Trump for pardoning roughly 300 violent people who have been duly convicted of that violence?
Sure. Bad Orange Man, Bad!
Yes, I do. He has served more time that most murderers.
Wow. How many of them executed not one but 2 FBI men in cold blood? Shot one of them in the face through an outstretched hand.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Don't approve of it. Trump made a mistake by doing it. Justice was not served.
Thank you for the honesty. Will this change how you approach Trump in the future?
—Peter
No. of Recommendations: 2
Will this change how you approach Trump in the future?
—Peter
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Not really. I still support the agenda and understand Trumps bombastic style.
No. of Recommendations: 1
I still support the agenda and understand Trumps bombastic style.
That's all fine.
But will you think a bit more critically about the possibility that he is lying, particularly when saying one thing (like to get votes) and doing another (like to make a bunch of violent and violent-leaning criminals indebted to him for their freedom) is in his best interest and not in the country's best interest?
I don't know about you, but I don't like it when people lie to me. It deeply damages my trust in them. Will you continue to trust Trump to do what he says after he lied to you in this way?
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 5
I still support the agenda and understand Trumps bombastic style.
It is NOT Trump's 'bombastic style' we are worried about. Although bombast combined with megalomania, narcissism, a lazy intellect, a desire for revenge on perceived enemies, and lack of critical thinking skills...yep, that's something to worry about.
No. of Recommendations: 4
It is NOT Trump's 'bombastic style' we are worried about. Although bombast combined with megalomania, narcissism, a lazy intellect, a desire for revenge on perceived enemies, and lack of critical thinking skills...yep, that's something to worry about.
Exactly.
The good news?
As far as dictators go, this one already has his pants tangled at his ankles.
But it’s also a time of profound danger, because dictators lash out as they show their butts while grabbing for their pants.
Perhaps it’s time to stand back and let gravity take its course.
No. of Recommendations: 9
BTW, since you didn't care to mention it, there were eleven news people who were beat up too.I did not know that, having not followed the details of the investigation/prosecution process.
It's not surprising though, since a standard feature of Trump's kayfabe is the pointing out of “the fake news media” taunting and insulting them with childish insults, and encouraging his audience to do the same.
It's the 'pro-wrestling' formula and it works well with Trump's cult.
Pure kayfabe: Trump good, MAGA good, journalists baaaaaaaad.
"The Trump campaign’s antipathy towards the media is not itself new. Trump has long dubbed any media that is critical of him “fake news,” using the term as many as 2,000 times during his presidency. However, his diatribes against the press have grown more threatening and increasingly encourage audience participation, potentially increasing the possibility of a violent confrontation between his political supporters and the media."https://rsf.org/en/usa-trump-verbally-attacked-med...
