One, no one's talking about nationwide trends except for people who are trying to turn the debate into some kind of national thing when it isn't.

Except you came in mid-thread. Lurkermom and BHM were both talking about crime in major urban areas, not crime in Seattle and only in Seattle.

Truth is, Seattle seems to be something of an outlier. They're one of the only large cities that saw murders increase to near-term highs last year. Meanwhile, in the rest of the nation's large cities, murder rates fell. They're down about 15% from the near-term high in 2021.

https://counciloncj.org/year-end-2023-crime-trends...

Seattle's murder rate did go up in 2023 - but the murder rates in lots of other "blue" cities (New York, LA, Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore, San Francisco and a dozen more) all fell significantly. Which strongly suggests that Seattle's experience isn't one that's common to "blue" cities with Democratic leaders generally, but something particular to that city.

But again, you came into a thread that was talking about crime in urban areas generally, not specific to Seattle - so that might be the source of you and Goofy talking past each other.

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