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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: propaganda from the coffee industry
Date: 07/02/26 3:35 PM
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These days, I give the stink eye to just about every "report" of beneficial health outcomes, from buying a particular product.

Coffee linked to significant new side effect, says massive study

The study showed that coffee notably increased the presence of good bacteria like Eggertella sp and Cryptobacterium curtum in coffee drinkers. Both bacteria are thought to play a role in eliminating unhealthy bacteria and stomach infections.

Decaffeinated coffee drinkers, meanwhile, showed improvements in learning and memory, which may have been a result of components like polyphenols that provide cognitive benefits.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/coffee-link...

I have yet to see anything sketchier that the "study" reported on, a few months ago, extolling the virtues of drinking alcohol, because it acts as a "social lubricant".

Steve
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Author: AlphaWolf 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: propaganda from the coffee industry
Date: 07/02/26 4:31 PM
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Decaffeinated coffee drinkers, meanwhile, showed improvements in learning and memory, which may have been a result of components like polyphenols that provide cognitive benefits.

I forgot which type of coffee I drink.
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Author: alan81   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: propaganda from the coffee industry
Date: 07/02/26 5:20 PM
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If you do enough "studies" with a small enough sample size you can link almost any two things.
Alan
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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: propaganda from the coffee industry
Date: 07/02/26 5:51 PM
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If you do enough "studies" with a small enough sample size you can link almost any two things.
Alan


My most infallible studies with small sample sizes invariably contain one of the following results:

Works for me/Doesn’t work for me
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Subject: Re: propaganda from the coffee industry
Date: 07/03/26 1:10 PM
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Steve203: These days, I give the stink eye to just about every "report" of beneficial health outcomes, from buying a particular product.

You sound like my SIL, who refuses to accept the data from studies that shows vaccines are safe and effective, and often have benefits far beyond their primary purpose, by reducing risks of other diseases, because evil BIG PHARMA studies are stink eye worthy fake news. She insists my cancer was the result of my COVID-19 vaccinations. After getting her COVID-19 vaccination, she (much, much later) 'purged' her body of the vaccine with nicotine gum. She also believes individuals shed vaccine after vaccination, even vaccinations that are not live-attenuated.

Anyway, coffee has been extensively studied. For example:

The BMJ Umbrella Review: An analysis of over 200 studies published in The BMJ found that coffee drinkers were 17% less likely to die early from any cause, 19% less likely to die of heart disease, and 18% less likely to develop cancer compared to non-drinkers.

Harvard's Nurses' Health Study & Health Professionals Follow-Up Study: These large cohort studies continuously tracking health outcomes found that drinking 2–3 cups a day was associated with up to a 21% reduced risk of heart disease. Higher consumption was also heavily correlated with a lower stroke risk.

Journal of the American College of Cardiology: This landmark study evaluated data from hundreds of thousands of adults and found that drinking 2–3 cups of coffee daily was associated with a significantly lower risk of cardiovascular disease and mortality.

Diabetologia & AHA Research: Researchers at Harvard linked habitual coffee intake to a reduced risk of type 2 diabetes, noting that the risk drops by roughly 6% for every cup consumed daily.

UK Biobank Liver Disease Study: Following over half a million adults, this research showed that coffee drinkers had a 21% lower risk of developing chronic liver disease and were significantly less likely to die from it, with benefits extending to both caffeinated and decaffeinated varieties.

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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: propaganda from the coffee industry
Date: 07/03/26 1:29 PM
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You sound like my SIL, who refuses to accept the data from studies that shows vaccines are safe and effective, and often have benefits far beyond their primary purpose, by reducing risks of other diseases, because evil BIG PHARMA studies are stink eye worthy fake news.

Woe be it for me to speak for Steve, but he seemed to be talking about the endless parade of product advertisements that contain the phrase “studies show”, without mentioning the actual parameters of the “study”- sample size, whether or not it was a double arm, placebo controlled study, or whether the “study” was anything more than conducting an interview with cousins Festus and Cletus.

“Studies show” covers a multitude of sins.
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: propaganda from the coffee industry
Date: 07/03/26 2:17 PM
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The BMJ found that coffee drinkers were 17% less likely to die early from any cause,

As this thread veers off topic for the board: if you are 17% less likely to die, then there must be someone who never died, regardless of age.

Another one of these "studies" claimed that tea was an even stronger dementia preventer than coffee. My mom drank multiple cups of tea, daily, most of her adult life. She was institutionalized with dementia at 75.

There is a big difference between the polio vax being 99% effective at preventing paralytic disease, and spending a fortune on coffee, vs filtered water, for a <20% probability of a better outcome.

These days, the media goes into full hysteria mode, forecasting 60mph wind and 1" hail, for a "marginal risk" from the weather service. A "marginal risk" is a 2-4% probability of the conditions they are forecasting. But the media has decided there is profit in scaring people about the weather, so "severe weather" has become a fixture in the "news" every day. Seriously, listen to the nonsense they spew "100 Million people impacted by winter weather!!!!!" when it's January.

Steve...also read "Flaws and Fallacies in Statistical Thinking" years ago.
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Author: Labadal   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: propaganda from the coffee industry
Date: 07/05/26 1:49 AM
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“Studies show” covers a multitude of sins.

As does another of our favorites, "Many people say." 🙄
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: propaganda from the coffee industry
Date: 07/05/26 9:17 AM
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As does another of our favorites, "Many people say." 🙄

The Fox Noise version is "everybody knows".

I maintain the GOP should run Sean Hannity, when Trump falls off his perch. He is expert at using the media, and manipulating people who have the critical thinking skills of a gnat, and he has a huge following.

Steve
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