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Hmmm. I have no problem with removing monuments to the Confederacy. It doesn't appear this is a memorial to fallen soldiers. If it were, they shouldn't remove it. Even the losers of a war should have their dead respected. I was looking at sites in Normandy, for example, and there is a special cemetery for German soldiers. Most Americans who go there seek out the American cemetery, featured in
Private Ryan (there's also a Canadian one, and I think a British one).
This seems to try to depict the South as sort of civilized slave owners (my words, not those of the article below):
https://apnews.com/article/confederate-memorial-ar...
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It's time this was removed.Just saying..Now what?
“Early history
Before it was a cemetery, the land was an estate that had belonged to Mary Custis Lee, who was married to Confederate Army General Robert E. Lee. The Lees lived for a time in the plantation’s Arlington House, which had been built decades earlier by enslaved people at the behest of a descendant of Martha Washington, wife of the first U.S. president.”
“Two U.S. presidents were buried there. William Howard Taft’s gravesite in Section 30 sits back away from Schley Drive, one of the main drives, under trees. John F. Kennedy is buried in Section 45 at the base of the hill on which sits Arlington House, a mansion built in the early 1800s. (All presidents are eligible for burial at the cemetery, but other presidents have been laid to rest in the places they called home or at their presidential library sites.)”
https://it.usembassy.gov/how-arlington-became-a-fi....
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Not quite the same thing.
Aside who built what the Arlington Cemetery was land owned and home (Arlington House) to Confederate Army commander Robert E. Lee and his wife.
The Lee family fled the property when Union troops advanced into the Virginia hills outside of Washington, D.C.
The Union Army used the land and house as a camp and headquarters, the land was used to bury fallen soldiers and later it was declared a national military cemetery.
Tearing down a statue does not cleanse the land.
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LM: Tearing down a statue does not cleanse the land.
Will it be cleansed if we get a Cardinal, a Rabbi, and a Shaman to perform acts?
The land isn't tainted, the statue is.
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Will it be cleansed if we get a Cardinal, a Rabbi, and a Shaman to perform acts?
The land isn't tainted, the statue is.
What makes you think that?
I guess then it’s time then to dynamite Stone Mountain.
By the way the sculptor of the statue Moses Jacob Ezekiel is buried at Arlington National Cemetery. Should his body be exhumed and buried elsewhere? After all, he did serve in the Confederate Army in the defense of Richmond VA.
“Moses Jacob Ezekiel, also known as Moses "Ritter von" Ezekiel, was an American sculptor who lived and worked in Rome for the majority of his career. Ezekiel was "the first American-born Jewish artist to receive international acclaim". Wikipedia
Born: October 28, 1844, Richmond, VA
Died: March 27, 1917, Rome, Italy
Place of burial: Arlington National Cemetery, Arlington, VA
On view: Cincinnati Art Museum
Structures: Confederate Memorial
Education: Virginia Military Institute, Royal Academy of Arts
Award: New Market Cross of Honor”
“The New Market Cross of Honor was a commemorative medal established in 1904 by the Virginia Military Institute Alumni Association (VMIAA) to honor Confederate veterans who served in the Virginia Military Institute Corps of Cadets at the Battle of New Market (May 15, 1864) during the American Civil War.”
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LM: The land isn't tainted, the statue is.
What makes you think that?
I'm asking you to support why you think the land is tainted just because it was once owned by Lee. I don't see your logic.
The statue however has images that invoke benevolent slavery, and possibly other Lost Cause themes - so it's tainted. But please explain why you think the property needs cleansing simply because it was owned by Lee.
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Is this the reconciliation statue?
How fitting that Biden would tear it down.
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I'm asking you to support why you think the land is tainted just because it was once owned by Lee. I don't see your logic.
The statue however has images that invoke benevolent slavery, and possibly other Lost Cause themes - so it's tainted. But please explain why you think the property needs cleansing simply because it was owned by Lee.
I believe the statue in question, the Arlington cemetery land once owned by Robert E Lee and his wife to be a part of America’s History, not to be tampered with, but to learn from.
Your interruption being the statue is tainted, why not then the cemetery land, the sculpture, a confederate soldier also be considered as tainted?
In essence they are all of the same cloth so to speak linked to slavery.
I meant to point that fact? out, but I guess I was not very clear on it and maybe still not.
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A judge halted the removal of the statue today.
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I meant to point that fact? out, but I guess I was not very clear on it and maybe still not.
It really depends on what the statue is depicting. A memorial to fallen soldiers is fine, even if they were on the wrong side. I don't think anyone is trying to whitewash our history, and they absolutely should not. A statue/monument trying to somehow ameliorate or lessen the evil that was slavery would be inappropriate. From what I've read, this statue does exactly that. Which is why it has been deemed inappropriate in a place that is supposed to honor war dead.
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"The South gonna rise again!"
