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A couple of pieces in the Times today. Gifted.

4 Takeaways From The Times’s Reporting on Biden’s Immigration Record
A New York Times review of President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s actions on immigration showed that they created an opening for a more aggressive Trump administration agenda.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/07/us/politics/bid...

How Biden Ignored Warnings and Lost Americans’ Faith in Immigration
The Democratic president and his top advisers rejected recommendations that could have eased the border crisis that helped return Donald Trump to the White House.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/07/us/politics/bid...

Why Mr. Biden waited so long to effectively seal the border has become one of the defining questions of his presidency.

Some aides feared that closing the border would be overturned by the courts. Others said that principles mattered. “It was truly believed — deeply, by many, including the president — that that was not in keeping with our values,” said Ms. Jacobson, the former border czar.

Three weeks after closing the border, the president faced off against Mr. Trump in a debate at CNN’s Atlanta studios. Asked why voters should trust him to solve the crisis, Mr. Biden flubbed it.

“What I’ve done — since I’ve changed the law, what’s happened?” said Mr. Biden, who had not changed the law. “I’ve changed it in a way that now you’re in a situation where there are 40 percent fewer people coming across the border illegally.”

Mr. Biden went on: “I’m going to continue to move until we get the total ban on the … the total initiative relative to what we’re going to do with more Border Patrol and more asylum officers.”

“I really don’t know what he said at the end of that sentence,” Mr. Trump responded. “I don’t think he knows what he said either.”

Within a month, Mr. Biden left the race.

Friend of mine voted for Trump. He kinda regrets it now, but not really. He regrets what Trump is doing, but says there was no viable alternative for him. And this is the main issue he has. Biden opened the border. I point out that Biden eventually closed the border, but too late to salvage the election. Plus, of course, he never should have run for re-election in the first place.

If Democrats don't get a handle on immigration...

"Friend of mine voted for Trump"
"If Democrats don't get a handle on immigration..."

One of my friends was adamant in his opinion that the most important thing the Dems
had to do was get tough on the border messaging. He knew that Obama had a record of actually turning back more people than Trump.1 did. But their messaging about it
was abysmally poor. But my friend did not vote for Trump. He recognized that Trump
was phony, made from TV blowhard that would do a lot of damage to America.

How did your friend feel about Trump's handling of Covid ?
Trump's ham-fisted bungling of that crisis didn't lead your friend to at least
have some doubts about Trump's capability to lead the Country ?

How did your friend feel about the inflation that ramped up after Covid ?
Yes, Biden overdid the financial aid. But hindsight is 100%, and there was
real fear that the Country could slip into a Depression. Does your friend hold
Trump to any level of responsibility for the fallout of Trump's Covid handling ?
Trump owns equal blame for the inflation that hit under Biden, supply chains and
economic activity froze up under Trump. These red flags were pre Trump2, and his
vaunted Tariff policy, which are taking inflation up a notch or 2.

So your friend got his wish. Trump has trampled all over the Constitution, and Trump
threatens to send America into an autocracy. How does your friend feel about
those repercussions for electing Trump ? Oh well, it doesn't matter, your friend
helped launch us down this road, to late to change that.

One of my friends was adamant in his opinion that the most important thing the Dems had to do was get tough on the border messaging. He knew that Obama had a record of actually turning back more people than Trump.1 did. But their messaging about it was abysmally poor.

Their ACTIONS, under Biden, were abysmally poor. Is the NYT still trusted? Maybe read the articles?

So your friend got his wish. Trump has trampled all over the Constitution, and Trump
threatens to send America into an autocracy. How does your friend feel about
those repercussions for electing Trump ? Oh well, it doesn't matter, your friend
helped launch us down this road, to late to change that.

He's not happy. Though nothing negative has affected him directly, and he's doing very, very well financially. He's a thinking, feeling being, though. Conflicted, I'd say.

Democrats fucked up. There's no other way to say it. And they keep on doing it. The shutdown being the latest fuck-up.

My "friend" isn't me, BTW. I held my nose and voted for Harris. Biden before that. Clinton before that.

Hey Adrain, A quick note on "Biden's Border Disaster"...

Biden wanted Congress to address the problem with a bipartisan solution, you know the way America is supposed to work. (Not like an authoritarian who throws executive orders at everything.)

Unfortunately...
Fear Donald Trump killed the bipartisan bill that would have addressed the border problem...
He said, "The Senate is better off not making a deal, even if it means the country will close up for a while."

Life long Republican Mitt Romney summed up the situation nicely...
"The border is a very important issue for Donald Trump, and the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that
he doesn’t want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Joe Biden (Kamala Harris) for it is really appalling."

BTW The bill was fully endorsed by the National Border Patrol Council, the Chamber of Commerce, the Wall Street Journal and supported by 66% of Americans.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/senate-deal-on-b...

Why Mr. Biden waited so long to effectively seal the border has become one of the defining questions of his presidency.

I have posted the numbers before. There was a quirk in the data during the Biden administration. CBP switched from counting only illegals arrested, to counting "encounters", which included Title 42 expulsions. Title 42 expulsions are no longer included in the total. Adding the expulsions juiced the numbers, but there was still a distinct increase vs Trump 1 and Obama.

Tables at this link break out Title 8 apprehensions, which were included in totals before 2020, and are still included in totals now, and Title 42 expulsions, which were dropped from the total in 2023, for fiscal 2022. Including Title 42, added over a million people to the "encounters" total. But Title 8 apprehensions, alone, were far above where they had been during Obama or Trump 1.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement...

Steve

1)...In August 2020, while Mr. Biden was still campaigning against President Trump in part by promising a more welcoming approach on immigration, his policy advisers wrote a memo warning that his proposals, coupled with pent-up migration demand under the Trump administration and economic hardship from the Covid pandemic, could lead to a huge increase in border crossings.

“A potential surge could create chaos and a humanitarian crisis, overwhelm processing capacities and imperil the agenda of the new administration,” the advisers wrote. They suggested a range of steps Mr. Biden could take as president to head off that surge, such as making it easier to quickly reject asylum claims. Mr. Biden and his inner circle ignored that advice...

2)...But top aides to Mr. Biden worried that doing so would alienate Latino and progressive voters, former administration officials said. And they believed that the crisis was not a significant concern for people outside of border states. Both assumptions proved to be wrong.

“They were a little too sensitive to criticisms from the left,” said Cecilia Muńoz, who helped shape immigration policy in the Obama administration and oversaw domestic and economic policy for the Biden transition team...

3) ...Mr. Biden kept waiting for Congress to act — a strategy that failed. (Congressional negotiations got nowhere.)

4) ...After the Senate talks failed, Mr. Biden used his authority to close the border without Congress. His efforts succeeded at reducing border crossings. But with just five months left before the election, his actions came too late to change voters’ minds about Democrats being the party of open borders.


Did just one article. Stopping, have to get ready for the evening. :)

"My "friend" isn't me"

Oh, I know that, I've read posts of yours. None of my little rant was directed at you.

I am wealthier than I ever was, just like your friend ( if I exclude inflation, lol ), but I don't give Trump any credit for that. And it's just paper wealth, that can
change quickly.

Trump, imo, is fucking up everything. His supporters luv,luv,luv his immigration
"policies". I'm looking at the big picture, Trump is a train wreck. But no doubt
about it, he has clamped down on immigration. BFD.

He regrets what Trump is doing, but says there was no viable alternative for him. And this is the main issue he has. Biden opened the border. I point out that Biden eventually closed the border, but too late to salvage the election. Plus, of course, he never should have run for re-election in the first place.

If Democrats don't get a handle on immigration...

The border was a huge issue here on Shrewd too. Biden staffers were told multiple times over and chose wrongly. The result... trump. So they get blame. But one article I would love to read is an explanation of how the Cartel's decided there was big money in advertising in places like Chins to get them to the US border. Dangerous article.

Democrats fucked up. There's no other way to say it. And they keep on doing it. The shutdown being the latest fuck-up.

Yes, both articles explain briefly the mistakes Biden and staff made. The problem started when he was President-elect, and continued. They continually misread the situation, or were suicidal ideologues (not mentioned in the article.) We've got to read these things and sober up, be practical. My approach at this point might be - Trump is starting to flail, let him flail, and shrewdly design our messaging.

How? Narrower immigration that is humane. Brief but humane due process for overstays. Right way vs wrong way for asylum applications at the borders, with limits and remain in Mexico. Only real criminals shipped to prisons outside the US.

That's to start the ball rolling. :)

he has clamped down on immigration. BFD.

Yaah, but we do have to deal. We've got to come up with a centrist immigration policy. Right now the major theme is we are pussies on immigration and the right are militaristic thugs. Can we do anything about Visa overstays?

The NY Times pretending that Biden's/the Democrats' border policy was just some sort of clueless incompetence by a senile old man and his enablers is yet ANOTHER MSM/leftist psyops.

It wasn't some kind of "mistake."

It was fully deliberate, a plan to open wide the borders. And it worked. The country was flooded with millions of illegals. This was no mistake. This was a matter of policy, even if not officially stated.

Jacobson or whoever his "border czar" was tipped their hands when she opined that enforcing border controls was not part of the Democrat Parties' "values."

No, of course not.

Anyone with an ounce of sense understands that the plan was to flood the country with millions of illegal aliens, Dems would then take both houses of Congress and the Presidency, and then grant amnesty and citizenship to the millions of illegal aliens, who could then be expected to vote Democrat out of gratitude.

And even absent citizenship, the illegals all get counted for legislative apportionment purposes, a huge and unfair advantage for the Dems.

The nonsense about Biden supposedly needing a new law passed before he could shut the border was obviously, psyops. The law that the Dems proposed would have RATIFIED thousands of illegal aliens coming into the country per day.

I mean, just really really dum shyte.

The Left cannot come up with a "centrist immigration policy."

The Left is not "centrist." Not even close.

What point is there to the Left claiming it wants to "change the law" when it clearly doesn't respect the laws we have now?

The Left WANTS to flood the U.S. with millions upon millions of aliens who do not wish to assimilate into the United States.

It then wants to transmute that into a permanent "Democrat majority," where "Democrat" now means: "Far Left Anti-American Lunatic."

It was fully deliberate, a plan to open wide the borders. And it worked. The country was flooded with millions of illegals. This was no mistake. This was a matter of policy, even if not officially stated.

Jacobson or whoever his "border czar" was tipped their hands when she opined that enforcing border controls was not part of the Democrat Parties' "values."


Of course it was. Once the democrats sued and got illegals included in the census, the plan was in motion.

Blue states are uniformly horribly governed. Almost all of them are losing population as businesses and full citizens leave. So what to do if you’re the democrat party? Import more people to keep the population up.

Even if these people don’t vote, the folks left in blue states are more likely to be democrat voters (because it’s Republicans in blue states who are moving out).

So these blue voters in blue states are in charge of more electoral votes than that state should have…and getting more congressional representation that they should have.

Just what the dems need.

This isn’t hard. The left will do anything, sell out anything to keep political power. If it means bankrupting their states to be able to hold on to federal power, they’ll do it.

The democrats quit caring about the country decades ago.

And just to put a fine point on it, the dems don’t need these illegals to vote necessarily.

Because each blue real voter (plus whatever dead people and homeless multiple voters they can come up with) are in charge of more EVs per capita than states that aren’t pulling in illegals, the democrats get what they want.

The other Bennie they get is more Medicare and other federal benefits they shouldn’t have either.

The democrat party is a giant scam. It’s no different than an organized crime machine.

“ Hey Adrain, A quick note on "Biden's Border Disaster"...

Biden wanted Congress to address the problem with a bipartisan solution, you know the way America is supposed to work. (Not like an authoritarian who throws executive orders at everything.)“

Sure. That’s in the linked article. Could have done something while negotiations were happening. Maybe they dragged their feet on negotiations? Why did it take so, so long?

Let’s not do that again. You can’t win elections with horribly unpopular candidates holding horribly unpopular positions, unless the alternative is even worse…

His supporters luv,luv,luv his immigration
"policies".

That's because his immigration policies are a combination of racism and white nationalism. His supporters wanted racism and got it in spades. Of course they're happy.

But let's be clear, that's not a rational immigration policy. It's just hatred wrapped in a veneer of law and order.

At this point, I'm agreeing with the commentator quoted earlier today (or maybe yesterday, as I'm a bit behind in reading). I'm not sure I want to see a blue wave in the mid terms. I'm ready to give the MAGA idiots everything they voted for. They want to close the borders, close 'em. They want to evict immigrants, evict them (really, lets help them quietly self deport to some place where they can be safe). They want Trump's grifting, let him grift. They want his ruination of the US standing in the world, so be it.

But then when the inevitable fall out from all of this happens, let them suffer the full brunt of it. You didn't want your children or grandchildren to be vaccinated? So sorry they died or were crippled from a preventable disease. You wanted inexpensive food? So sorry, you evicted all the people that grew and picked and processed the fruits and vegetables you liked. Grow your own, I guess. Or put up with crap food that makes you unhealthy. You wanted spending cuts so taxes could be cut? Fine. Do without good roads and safe food supply and fire departments that help you when you're in trouble. Do without public defenders so that when you are accused of a crime, the overworked and underpaid junior attorney that should help you defend yourself only has time to suggest you plead guilty in exchange for dropping a charge and a shorter sentence for the crime you didn't actually commit. Do without unemployment benefits so that when you lose your job you also lose your car and your home in short order.

Let things get as bad as they can so they have to suffer everything they brought on themselves, and live a short, brutish life under the government they wanted.

Eventually all these MAGA idiots will either die off or finally see the error of their choice and we can, if we're lucky, reinstate the old constitution that we tossed aside during the 3rd extension of Trump's 2nd term and implement some reforms to keep this from happening again. Then, if we're VERY lucky, we might return as a second class country with someone else (my guess is China) as the world's economic and military superpower.

The only way a blue wave will work is if it's a huge wave, putting a supermajority in both the House and Senate, allowing impeachment of both Trump and Vance in short order and giving the Presidency to the Speaker of the House. That would need to be followed with some true reforms to codify many of the "gentlemen's agreements" we operated under until the last decade or so.

Unfortunately, neither of these scenarios is likely. What is most likely is the House turning blue with a fairly small margin, while the Senate remains under MAGA control. There will be a House investigation or three, possibly another Trump impeachment that fails in the Senate (I'd prefer they didn't bother), and a huge amount of gridlock in Congress. Heck, they might not even be able to pass bills renaming Post Offices, which was the bulk of Congressional business a few sessions back.

I am not hopeful for the country. We boomers have wreaked our havoc and will be cursed by generations yet to be born.

--Peter

No, of course not.

Anyone with an ounce of sense understands that the plan was to flood the country with millions of illegal aliens, Dems would then take both houses of Congress and the Presidency, and then grant amnesty and citizenship to the millions of illegal aliens, who could then be expected to vote Democrat out of gratitude

Full blown conspiracy theory there marco. Remember Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Peter provides a typical hackneyed rant full of leftist disinformation.

Just the same brainwashed nonsense.

"We need illegal immigrants to pick our veggies for cheap"

THATS your argument for massive illegal immigration?

You're so brainwashed that you're just regurgitating perhaps the BEST argument at least from a Leftist POV for banning illegal immigration--its pure exploitation. So brainwashed you don't even see the irony.

Just babble whatever idiocy the Left and MSM feeds you. That's the spirit

It is a stupid policy, but that doesn't mean it isn't deliberate. I'm not sure when the left decided that a conspiracy theory is an epithet that automatically self-falsifies.

"Conspiracy theory" doesn't mean "false theory of more than one person acting in concert to achieve an objective."

But that's what progressives and the MSM decided it should mean for propagandistic reasons.

Example: When 51 intelligence officials, prompted by a Biden crony Jake Sullivan, all agree to sign a disinformation letter asserting that the candidates sons laptop, with material embarrassing to Biden, is Russian disinformation shortly before a national election, that's a "conspiracy." It doesn't mean the conspiracy didn't happen to call what I just said a "conspiracy theory." Because it did happen.

Try again. Use logic. How is flying hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens to the interior of the country, after a presidential declaration that it's ok tondo so, even in violation of existing law, simply by an executive order fabricating a parole program, not a deliberate act? Doesn't mean it was legal or illegal that's up to the courts. It was deliberate. Why do you think so many Somalis ended up in Minnesota? That's just one example.

Rven if you think it was initially due to stupidity, what you really mean is negligence. That's the best spin you can put on the Biden policies

But when you keep engaging in negligent conduct over and over and over, at some point it becomes recklessness, and then failure to stop doing what you've been doing is deliberate. Like a drunk who knows he always gets drunk if he goes into the bar and never stops going into the bar in Friday nights.

By saying it's just stupidity you attempt to remove moral and ethical responsibility from the elect d officials and bureaucrats who are responsible.

But if there's any doubt why was the so called compromise bill that Biden proposed inclusive if a provision allowing at least 5000 additional illegal aliens into the country per day???

In terms of what the objective was, what is your reason for doubting the motivation behind it? If you were correct, then why are Democrats universally against NOT counting illegal aliens in the Census for purposes of apportioning Congressional seats?

After all, they don't vote, right?

Right?

It is a stupid policy, but that doesn't mean it isn't deliberate.

Marco, policy is by definition deliberate, but it is a quantum leap to declare there was a secret plan to flood the nation with million of immigrants.

You have to explain why there were 3 million expulsions at the border under Title 42 and hundreds of thousands of deportations during the Biden administration that contradict your conspiracy theory.

"A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that blames it on a secret plot by powerful, often malevolent, groups, rejecting the official or mainstream account, and relies on suspicion and hidden motives rather than evidence."

The explanation of the planes by the admin was to control the flow of immigrants, and all the "evidence" supports that.

If your claim is true, "Anyone with an ounce of sense understands that the plan was to flood the country with millions of illegal aliens," then there should be no expulsions, and there were expulsions. There would be no deportations, and there were deportations.

You have misstated the policy. What was Biden's actual policy and how did it change? and why did it change? The articles describe that.

Cue an irrational abusive response.

When did I say it was a "secret" plan?

That's your own "false conspiracy theory" mentality at work.

There was nothing "secret" about it.

The Democrats have been running on this plan and continue to run on it.

They are and will continue to be very "in your face" about all of it.

Some of the details may not have been publicized, but the general policy has been well-known and been going on for years.

Why do you think Trump was re-elected? Tax cuts, yes, but largely due to Democrats wanting to destroy the country via encouraging illegal immigration in massive amounts--by the millions.

Democrats (and a-holes like you) continue to portray federal agents enforcing immigration law as fascists, nazis, kidnappers, etc.

A-hole democrat politicians willfully violate the law and interfere with ICE enforcement actions and actively encourage others to do the same. Pure lawlessness.

What country were you born in? Where do you live right now?

I'll bet like Banksy you're not a natural born U.S. citizen, and if you are, you don't actually live in one of the areas affected by all the illegal immigration.

Let things get as bad as they can so they have to suffer everything they brought on themselves, and live a short, brutish life under the government they wanted.

Party	                Nominees	                Electoral Vote	Popular Vote
                        Presidential	Vice Pres.
 Democratic	 	Kamala Harris	Tim Walz	226	42%	75,019,230	48.34%
 Republican		Donald J. Trump	J.D. Vance	312	58%	77,303,568	49.81%
 Various	 	Others	                        0	0 %	2,878,359	1.85%
Last update: 12/31/2024

77.3 million people voted for Trump. They knew what he was and what he would do. But they preferred him to Harris, who she was and what she would do. Though, to be fair, did anyone know what she would do?

We Democrats have to do better. No sign of that as yet, one year later.

Just signed up for Obamacare for 2026. If I make the same income as 2025, my families' health insurance cost will be +79%, to $41,164.80. Bronze plan.

Yes, both articles explain briefly the mistakes Biden and staff made. The problem started when he was President-elect, and continued. They continually misread the situation, or were suicidal ideologues (not mentioned in the article.) We've got to read these things and sober up, be practical. My approach at this point might be - Trump is starting to flail, let him flail, and shrewdly design our messaging.

How? Narrower immigration that is humane. Brief but humane due process for overstays. Right way vs wrong way for asylum applications at the borders, with limits and remain in Mexico. Only real criminals shipped to prisons outside the US.

That's to start the ball rolling. :)

Agree with all of this.

Better control of temporary workers. Better path to legal permanent residency, too.

When did I say it was a "secret" plan?

Occam's Razor (or Ockham's Razor) is a problem-solving principle stating that when presented with competing explanations, the simplest one—requiring the fewest assumptions—is usually the best.

So Occam's razor says the published mistakes in policy in the articles require no additional assumptions of a master plan to flood the country with illegal aliens, and further that they would later vote Dem out of gratitude. This is a well known conspiracy theory on the right.

So if there was a policy to flood for later gratitude votes, it's never mentioned anywhere as a policy, therefore it was and still is a secret. Capiche?

So if there was a policy to flood for later gratitude votes, it's never mentioned anywhere as a policy, therefore it was and still is a secret. Capiche?

Right. So democrats are border hawks and are really invested in securing the nation.

Got it.

Question. Why are left wing politicians making videos about how to evade ICE, then?

Right. So democrats are border hawks and are really invested in securing the nation.

Got it.

Question. Why are left wing politicians making videos about how to evade ICE, then?

Because the corporatist Dems want lots and lots of cheap labor, just like the corporatist Repubs? I remember how short everyone was of low wage labor after the plague. Fast food places were running drive-up only, and reduced hours, because there were not enough people willing to work for peanuts. And that correlates with the increase in illegal immigration.

I remember something most people have forgotten: Joe Biden mockingly say you need an Indian accent to work in a convenience store.

ah, some thoughtful person uploaded that clip from 2008. Can't blame dementia that many years ago.

JOE BIDEN GAFFE (2008): "Slight Indian Accent"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEG1wuoa2hs

Steve

Right. So democrats are border hawks and are really invested in securing the nation.

I've stated my views. We keep right way vs wrong way at the border, limit the number that can apply each day, and have them stay in Mexico until they get asylum granted. Wrong way means a year wait or more before they can apply the right way.

Yes, we are invested in securing the nation, just not against brown, black, or other color people joining us. I recognize xenophobia as a likely evolutionary phenomena probably linked to a survival trait, but racism and hate aren't.

Question. Why are left wing politicians making videos about how to evade ICE, then?

You are talking about Mamdani's short video on Know Your Rights?

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d...

Once again, have you watched it? You should. The 4th amendment? Protection against unreasonable searches and seizures? The 4th Amendment applies to illegal immigrants, and ICE should get a judicial warrant to enter private spaces. They can get a warrant over the phone from a cooperating judge, that's done all the time. At one point Mamdani seems to say the ICE warrant doesn't allow them to arrest you, that is partially correct, they can arrest you in public spaces, they just cannot use the ICE warrant to enter private spaces and arrest you. The video I watched doesn't show or talk about how to evade. Your sources is biased, manipulating you.

I've stated my views

Uh, huh. So you’re “Remain in Mexico” now, eh? lol.

Yes, we are invested in securing the nation, just not against brown, black, or other color people joining us.

Double lol. This is you making assumptions about other people.

They can get a warrant over the phone from a cooperating judge, that's done all the time

And that’s what they’re doing.

You sound so sensible.

Unfortunately, your party is controlled by Leftist Radicals who are not sensible at all.

They encourage illegal immigrants and other people to physically attack and impede ICE officers.

The blue Democrat states and cities outright flout federal law and indicate disrespect for federal immigration law and any notion of "compromise."

It is reasonable to assume that if the Republicans agree to a "compromise," that will just signal to your radical Left party that their tactics are working. It will signal weakness, and will encourage even more illegal immigration and defiance of immigration law.

You are trying to be "logical" but completely ignoring what is actually going on, as well as human nature, and how people respond to incentives.

Your party WANTS to flood the nation with millions upon millions of illegal aliens. That is their objective--not to achieve a reasonable "compromise."

If you mean what you say--you are in favor of a reasonable compromise to change the immigration laws--then you must first acknowledge your party's blatant breaking of the existing laws, and you must first accept that whatever "compromise" might be achieved, your party must first show that they will be willing to accept that compromise.

They are not willing to accept the laws currently in force, but if they are acting at all in good faith, they must first do so.

They will not.

This is why your party makes common cause with Hamas. Same tactics, same end goals.

Troll be trolling again Lapsody.

You put phony words in my mouth, were called out on it, and instead of owning up to being a liar, you're gaslighting again.

Eurotroll catfishing tactics.

remember something most people have forgotten: Joe Biden mockingly say you need an Indian accent to work in a convenience store.


That was true and they admit it. Indians seem to have a penchant for owning convenience stores and motels.

"Yes, it's a well-documented phenomenon that Indian Americans, particularly Gujaratis, own a significant portion of U.S. motels (around 60%) and many convenience stores,"

That was true and they admit it. Indians seem to have a penchant for owning convenience stores and motels.

Joe Biden didn't mean it as a compliment, lol.

Dope1,

Your double-and triple talking Eurotrash catfishing debate adversary is completely missing the point anyway.

Which is, what is the substantive status of all these people ICE is trying to apprehend and remove?

They're not in the country legally.

They are subject to apprehension, detention, and removal.

With or without a judicial warrant.

Maybe ICE needs a judicial warrant to break the front door of their house down with a battering ram to apprehend them.

O.K. so get the warrant and do it.

That's just a procedural step.

Normally law enforcement is going to try to get consent of the property owner or occupant before doing something like that because what's the point of breaking someone's door down just because they are scoff laws and don't respect the laws of the United States?

It's ridiculous.

Instead of advocating for the evasion of law enforcement--which is a totally criminal mentality--the Leftist poseurs on here should be encouraging the illegal aliens to cooperate with law enforcement and get their cases resolved as quickly as possible with as little drama as possible.

But they don't. The Left is anarchic, chaotic, hates authority, hates the law, hates the United States.

These people have a criminal mind set.

It's like people who evade service of a summons where they are a defendant in a civil case. Successful evasion of the summons only delays due process and increases costs and drama for all involved. And only scumbags do it. Only scumbags encourage other scumbags to deliberately evade legal process.

Or like scoff laws or criminals who jump bail or miss court appearances and have failure to appear warrants issued.

The warrant is only necessary because the person is a scumbag/scofflaw/criminal in the first place.

If you claim a defense including innocence, mistaken identity, government error, or anything else, the place you prove that is in court. With an attorney if need be.

If an illegal alien claims he or she should not be deported, for whatever reason, the way to address that is in court (assuming they even have the right to an immigration court hearing in the first place). A lot of them have Orders of Removal that are years old so they don't necessarily have the right to a new hearing. They already had the hearing (or failed to appear for it) and they just ignored the outcome.

So you leftists phoneys, don't tell me why and who needs a warrant to do what where when how and to who.

Explain why you are defending illegal alien scofflaws. What's the point other than hatred for America and disrespect of the immigration laws?

You guys just don't believe in the rule of law.

That's why whenever a conservative supreme court makes a ruling you don't like--even though to a man/woman, NONE of you have ever actually read any of the decisions that you complaint about--you're just parroting Jeff Tiedrich or Heather Cox Richardson or similar social media imbecile that was fed to you on your facebook or X or bluesky feed--you don't think for yourselves at all.

If ICE knocks at your door without the proper warrant then no you don't have to answer it. But the only sane advice to give to people in that situation is to obtain an attorney and get legal advice.

Not to evade or obstruct ICE enforcement efforts.

But if you do, don't be surprised if when you finally have to leave your house to go to the store or pick up your kids at school, ICE might take that opportunity to apprehend you (since it's in public, no judicial warrant required).

Don't advocate and adopt a strategy of total non cooperation with law enforcement, then complain of the consequences of that. Don't whine to the NY TIMES if you've been in the country illegally for years or decades that ICE finally caught up with you at an "inconvenient time."

Tough shit, sleep in the bed you made.

Black Americans also seem to have a penchant for murdering each other at a much higher rate than the general population. So, I guess pointing that out, to you, would ALSO not be racist.

Troll be trolling again Lapsody.

You put phony words in my mouth,

Nothing of the sort. I showed you how what you said fit conspiracy theory, and that you are a conspiracy theory nutter. Don't expect you to like it, but that's what you are, and everyone knows.

That was true and they admit it. Indians seem to have a penchant for owning convenience stores and motels.

Yes, a lot of immigrants own small businesses. Here in metro Detroit, large numbers of Muslims are also small business owners, C-stores and gas stations, for instance. A lot of immigrants are also professionals, doctors and lawyers. So? That is no reason to mock them, the way Biden did. Are small businesses supposed to be reserved for WASPs only?

Steve

You're a trolling Eurotrash catfishing fraud, Lapsody.

And a liar.

In Europe, a disproportionate percentage of devout Muslims like to play "knifey-stabby" and "hold my beer while I crash my truck into your Christmas market" with infidels.

In America, a disproportionate percentage of young Black males like to murder other young black males.

Worldwide, a disproportionate number of Jews win Nobel Prizes.

Worldwide, a disproportionate number of naturally-born human babies are born to women, and exactly zero are born to men.

Like Lapsody says, the above are compliments.

You sound so sensible.

I would like to think you are addressing me, but most people declare me "crazy".

Unfortunately, your party is controlled by Leftist Radicals who are not sensible at all.

"my" party is in the center. Yes, it's pretty lonely at the moment.

They encourage illegal immigrants and other people to physically attack and impede ICE officers.

The left may make a lot of noise, and the right may make a point of being brutal about it, to pander to it's base, but the "JCs" who hire the illegals provide the money to buy the policies they want.

If you mean what you say--you are in favor of a reasonable compromise to change the immigration laws--then you must first acknowledge your party's blatant breaking of the existing laws,

I have said many times, over the years, I have a fundamental problem with so-called "sanctuary" cities/counties/states, that ignore federal law. The fundamental point of a democratic system is the ability to work through the system to change laws. I have no problem with using the National Guard to help secure the border, either.

They will not.

My focus is getting things done, as it was all through my working life. Unfortunately, what we see in DC, is much like what I observed in the several places I worked: people more interested in kissing the boss' rear, and stabbing everyone else in the back, rather than getting anything done.

Steve

****Ripped from the headlines****

Immigrants Approved for Citizenship ‘Plucked Out’ of Line Moments Before Pledging Allegiance: Report

Immigrants were moments away from pledging allegiance to the United States in Boston — the final step of the long process to becoming a U.S. citizen — when government officials pulled them out of line, according to a new report.

As people who were already approved to be naturalized — having completed the lengthy U.S. citizenship process — lined up to pledge allegiance, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) officials told them they could not continue due to their countries of origin, the outlet reported.

https://people.com/immigrants-approved-for-citizen...

You come here legally. Keep your nose clean. Work hard. For years. Then the regime slams the door in your face, because you came from one of the non-white, non-Christian majority countries on the regime's list.

Why bother trying to follow the rules?

What's next? Revoking the citizenship of people from those countries who have already been naturalized, just because of the country they came from?

Steve

What's next? Revoking the citizenship of people from those countries who have already been naturalized, just because of the country they came from?


Looks like…

What's next? Revoking the citizenship of people from those countries who have already been naturalized, just because of the country they came from?

It could happen to me if they revoked my Dad's citizenship posthumously. I'd be fine and dandy in Portugal or the south of France as long as I'm not stripped of my assets as my family was by the German Nazis.

Raul Malo (The Mavericks) got a lotta flak for discussing that July 4.
https://www.themavericksband.com/about

"The words ‘liberty and justice for all’ have faded into a distant past, To some of us those words were deeply personal. My family came here <Cuba> because of those words. I was born here because of those words. I have had an extraordinary life because of those words. And now those words have lost their meaning. They are now abstract concepts used to inflict cruelty and suffering on the unsuspecting, the weak, the sick, the poor, the needy. We can add Purple Heart war veterans to that list as several have been deported already. This is America right now.

Some will tell me that I should leave the country or my favorite ‘shut up and sing (A statement so void of any sense that it is impossible to execute). On the ‘leaving’ part … that may come true whether I want to leave or not. The way the new law stands my mother could be stripped of her naturalized citizenship, then my sister and I would be illegal birthright citizens and away we go. As far as ‘shut up and sing’ well, clearly that’s not happening. You see the thing is this is my country too. Always has been. My country has been that beacon on the hill for so long and for so many.

As Lady Liberty’s flame dims with every atrocity committed in her name, we will not be afraid of the dark. We will find the light again.

Think about the words that we’re supposed to live by … The Constitution, The Declaration of Independence, our Bill of Rights.
Think about the food you’re eating. Who harvested the corn? Who picked the strawberries? Who raised the beef for this feast? How did the apples end up in this pie? Who built this beautiful house with the beautiful deck that your family is enjoying today? Think about it. This isn’t about politics anymore. It’s about humanity. It’s about all of us. We, the people.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Rh-CzEo24&list=R...

Steve,

Immigrants who want to become citizens have to respect the President's decisions--even if they don't agree with them.

If they don't recognize the authority of the President over immigration matters, they don't belong here.

Same applies to natural born U.S. citizens but we're stuck with you aren't we.

No,but revocation of citizenship for naturalized citizens in accordance with applicable law is fully permissible.

E.g. they can be denaturalized for deliberate deceit in the naturalization process.

If they don't recognize the authority of the President over immigration matters, they don't belong here.

Seems that Congress has authority to set immigration laws. The POTUS has the job of enforcing the laws. So, whether the POTUS, by himself, can decree certain countries, as "unacceptable", is debatable. The larger point is, if the US government says "if you follow the process laid out, keep your nose clean, and work hard, you can earn citizenship", then slams the door in people's face, when they have complied with every requirement of the policy, then what is the point of complying with the policy?

Same applies to natural born U.S. citizens but we're stuck with you aren't we.

Yes you are. :^) And I have certified birth certificates for both of my US born parents, to prove I am not an anchor baby. Do you?

Steve

So? That is no reason to mock them, the way Biden did.

I didn't read it as a mock. :)

Black Americans also seem to have a penchant for murdering each other at a much higher rate than the general population. So, I guess pointing that out, to you, would ALSO not be racist.

We can talk about crime and the different ethnicities, if we're taking a serious look at crime, but it's also useful to note crime in other countries. And what is most remarkable is the downturn in murder in Japan. Back when WW2 started the Japanese had a murder rate the same as ours. When I was over there I took a look, and the remarkable thing was the generations that grew up after the war repudiated the culture of the older generations that started the war, and the current murder rate is .3 or less per 100,000. The murder rate fell from 4.5 to .025, Remarkable, the murders were being done by the older generation, and as that older generation died off, the murder rate dropped with it.

No, Steve, I don't have birth certificates of both of my parents,
but I'm Jewish and the Israeli space laser will protect me.

O.K. so Lapsody what you're saying is a high murder rate could be a function of cultural norms or may have been in Japan. When those norms changed due to the older generation dying off in Japan, the murder rate fell dramatically.

Since your intent was to possibly analogize to the high murder rate among young Black men in the U.S., my inference from what you posted is that the high murder rate among U.S. young black men is also a cultural phenomenon.

A "black young male American" cultural phenomenom.

Most Republicans and Conservatives would probably agree with you.

Why does the Democratic Party embrace, enable, and make bank off that culture?

Black Americans also seem to have a penchant for murdering each other at a much higher rate than the general population

Is it skin color? Or poverty and the legacy of racism that clearly still exists.

Yes you are. :^) And I have certified birth certificates for both of my US born parents, to prove I am not an anchor baby. Do you?

Marco types simply wave their hands, declare them fake, and before you know it, you have a free crowded room at Chateau de Cecot. Following the law is for thee, not for me. We need to keep track of them and bring them back after T is gone. I'm a member of the Sons of the American Revolution, we go waaay back, and that doesn't mean a thing to someone like marco.

Once the Supremes say he can fire all of the Independent Agency heads, what's left? I'm just happy we're seeing defections.

Well, according to Joe Biden,

a black person would have to be "crazy" to vote for Trump.

He didn't say anything about their socio-economic status.

So, if you're a Democrat, and you think Biden is all that, yeah, it would be skin color.

That's Biden's view though, not mine.

I think it's the fault of liberal and progressive White Democrats who have enabled a culture of lack of responsibility and dependency for the past 60 odd years.

Liberal White Democrats need to pay reparations big time for what they did to the Black community.

You're a member of the Sons of the American Revolution?

Sounds inherently colonialist and racist. Big time.

Uh, huh. So you’re “Remain in Mexico” now, eh? lol.

Not now, dolt, I was that way before it was called "Remain in Mexico". I had this idea that we could use embassy like laws to create little psuedopods extending into Mexico and have offices that processed applications, and admins, judges would go down and hear the cases there. So they never had to set foot in America, until granted asylum. That you wouldn't remember it is no surprise.

Not now, dolt, I was that way before it was called "Remain in Mexico". I had this ide

Every lib claims to be on the correct side of every single issue long after the standard liberal position is shown in reality to be completely wrong. Nobody buys it.

Uh, huh. So you’re “Remain in Mexico” now, eh? lol.

"Remain in Mexico" has been rendered inoperative. If you are from a majority non-WASP country, the regime doesn't want you here. You will not be admitted, no matter how carefully you follow the rules and wait your turn. If you are already here, you will be denied citizenship, hunted down, and removed.

Steve,,,WASP

Every lib claims to be on the correct side of every single issue long after the standard liberal position is shown in reality to be completely wrong. Nobody buys it.

You don't have to "buy" it. I just have to know that it is true. I evolved it and talked about it here, on this forum, while we were discussing it. It isn't my problem if your memory is poor and selective. I've mentioned it many times and you just now "woke" up. Nice to know you're awake. Is there anything else you want to be wrong about?

Lambo,

You must be from Europe.

You obviously don't have the faintest clue about how the law, jurisdiction, and national boarders work.

You're appalling ignorant of these subjects.

Why are you even bothering to talk about immigration at all?

As simply one example of your appalling ignorance, a country's embassy located within the boarders of another country, IS CONSIDERED territory of the first country.

Pseudopods?

Um O.K.

You're absolutely, appallingly, completely ignorant about even the basic facts.

You don't have to "buy" it.

Yeah, don't care. Next you'll claim that liberals didn't want to Defund the Police either. Gaslighting and re-writing history is a feature with some, not a bug.

Shit.

Vaya con Dios, Raul Malo

DX'd with colon cancer June 2024. Get your checkups, fellows.

One of the best popular music tenors whose band, The Mavericks, brought a joie de vivre to every Mavericks show for 3 decades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcLYG7rQHhQ&list=R...

Dope1,

This is why Progressives are insistent on ramming trans acceptance down everyone's throats. It's not because they care about trans people (no more than do they actually care about any of their other constituencies).

It's because a la Orwell, if you are willing to believe a man in a dress is a woman--or a women who surgically removes her breasts like that Page person is a man--then you'll believe just about anything you are told to believe.

And if you are afraid to call out their lies, and parrot them because you're afraid not to, they've won.

Just like Big Brother.

Next you'll claim that liberals didn't want to Defund the Police either.

I think if you actually cared about the truth, you'll find most libs didn't understand what was meant by that when it came out, and Obama criticized the "defund the police" slogan as a divisive, "snappy" phrase that alienated potential supporters for criminal justice reform, that it hurt efforts to shift funds to social programs and improve policing. I thought it was bad, I didn't understand what it was when it first came out.

Still sore cause I kicked your butt on DSA, eh?

.

I think if you actually cared about the truth, you'll find most libs didn't understand what was meant by that when it came out,

And there it is, the left wing limp gaslighting.

Everybody knew what it meant.

Still sore cause I kicked your butt on DSA, eh?

hahahahahahahahahahahaha. You've yet to score a single point. You have years to go before you beat me at even tiddlywinks. I'm sure you're the hero of your own mind, though.

I'm a member of the Sons of the American Revolution, we go waaay back

Betsy Ross third marriage was to John Claypoole, they had five daughters.
My husband is a descendent of Betsy Ross and John Claypoole.
All three of Betsy Ross husbands had direct or indirect connections to the American Revolutionary War.
My sister in law traced the Claypoole family all the way back to England before coming to America up to present day.

My husband stayed true to his roots and always voted Republican.

https://www.amrevmuseum.org/press-releases/long-lo...

Lapsody, how do you trace back to your family roots and the Revolutionary War?

Lapsody, how do you trace back to your family roots and the Revolutionary War?

I didn't. My sister was a history professor and she got into it. Before that, my Grandmother on my father's side traced it as she became a member of the DAR, and she registered my brother and I with the SAR, and my sisters with the DAR. So I'm taking both of their words on it - I haven't seen it. She had a workup on Ancestor.com for a while, but I'm not sure if it's still there.

There were pictures in my Grandma's house that showed ancestors that were Doctors in the Civil War and an old family group picture from the early 1800s with every one standing and a couple of Indian women squatting in the back ground. There is also a book that one part of the family put together. I had a copy and it disappeared in all my moves.

My ancestry sounds pretty normal until you get over to Europe where we're related to a Viking King.

I think if you actually cared about the truth, you'll find most libs didn't understand what was meant by that when it came out,

And there it is, the left wing limp gaslighting.

Everybody knew what it meant

You don't care about the truth, no sense talking to you about it.

"Despite the nuanced meaning intended by proponents, the term was widely misunderstood, which created significant controversy:

Misconstrued as Abolition: The most common misunderstanding was that "defund the police" meant "abolish the police" entirely, leaving communities without any form of law enforcement or emergency response. While a small number of activists did advocate for complete abolition, it was not the primary goal of the broader movement the slogan represented."

Adios

My ancestry sounds pretty normal until you get over to Europe where we're related to a Viking King.

Lambo..Lapsody? Are you one and the same?

I am Norwegian decent. After something like 125 years more or less my American family and Norwegian family have never lost touch with one another. I’ve been to Norway several times visiting and staying with family there and likewise Norsk family have visited with their (and me) American families.

I have no claim to anyone famous except some family members were part of the Norwegian underground
and Norwegian Armed Forces during WWII. One cousin removed was highly decorated and had a very well hidden mountain cabin where the Allies parachuted supplies and weapons. The Nazi tried in vain to
locate the cabin.

You don't care about the truth

Whatever you need to say to convince yourself that your political movement isn't complete trash.

Lambo..Lapsody? Are you one and the same?

LOL. Indeed they are! This is the second time he's messed up and gotten who he was logged in as mixed up.

LOL. Indeed they are! This is the second time he's messed up and gotten who he was logged in as mixed up.

How embarrassing....🫢

If liberals didn't understand that defund the police meant defund the police, then they are even way stupider than I thought they were.

Dope1,

The trash industry resents that comparison.

LOL. Indeed they are! This is the second time he's messed up and gotten who he was logged in as mixed

The Three Faces of Eve

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Faces_of_E...

Lambo..Lapsody....Who is the third face of Lambo and Lapsody on the Board?

Asking for a friend,

Wow Lurker Mom,

So he has two personalities?

Say Lambo/Lapsody, by any chance is your favorite movie

"Dumb and Dumber"?

I am Norwegian decent. After something like 125 years more or less my American family and Norwegian family have never lost touch with one another. I’ve been to Norway several times visiting and staying with family there and likewise Norsk family have visited with their (and me) American families.

We aren't in touch and have no idea who the current family might be over there. 23and me said I'm 98% Scandinavian with .3% Congolese. I'm blond, blue eyed, so it fits.

"This is why Progressives are insistent on ramming trans acceptance down everyone's throats. - Marco the Clown

Why do Trump nutters always get it exactly backwards?

Umm,

OK so you're saying I have it exactly backwards?

That must mean the Right is trying to ram trans acceptance down the throats of the left.

You sure about that?

You SURE about that?

Notice how nobody is reacting to this. It’s almost like the libs knew already that he’s using multiple logins.

As I’ve always said: there’s very little that’s real about the left. It’s all performative, and almost nothing is genuine.

>>"This is why Progressives are insistent on ramming trans acceptance down everyone's throats. - Marco the Clown<<

Why do Trump nutters always get it exactly backwards? << Umm.

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Why do progressives continue to do things like this?.......

Oregon Questionnaire Asks 6th Graders if They’re ‘Genderfluid,’ ‘Trans,’ ‘Pansexual,’ and More


A 6th-grade student survey created by the Oregon Health Authority for asks participants, among other things, their “gender identity,” “sexual orientation,” and if they are “transgender.”

The first question under the “Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation” section offers choices such as “Demigirl/Demiboy,” “Genderfluid,” and “Agender”; the second includes “Pansexual,” “Asexual or Aromantic,” and “Something else that fits better (Please tell us more).”

“Demigirl/demiboy” is defined as someone who “partially identifies as a girl/boy or with femininity/masculinity, but not fully.” A “pansexual” is someone who “has the potential for emotional, romantic or sexual attraction to people of any gender though not necessarily simultaneously, in the same way or to the same degree [and] is sometimes used interchangeably with bisexual.”

Choices for the question about being transgender include “Yes,” “No,” “I am not sure,” and “I don’t know what this question is asking.”

Native Americans and Pacific Islanders get a few extra selections on two questions such as “Two Spirit,” “Fa’afafine” (Samoans assigned male at birth but “recognized as a third gender identity and live as women”), and “Takatapui” (a Māori “intimate companion of the same sex”).

The OHA surveys also are given to students in 8th and 11th grade.

Fox News notes father Chuck Gonzales was outraged that his 11 year-old son would be given such a questionnaire. Gonzales said he found out about it “somehow online,” and then couldn’t believe some of the questions.

“It is infuriating that the government, the state of Oregon, and these liberal progressives down in [the capital of] Salem can think that they can go into the bedrooms of our children and ask them about things they have no clue about,” Gonzales said. “My son had no idea what any of this meant, but he knew that it was weird and sick and gross.

“And of course, plenty of people thought that it was completely made up and ridiculous. But when it actually came out, when I posted the link and I had parents private messaging me to send them the link to the survey so they could opt out.”

According to the Oregon Health Authority website, while state law requires school districts to administer the survey, students can say “no thanks”: “Students may choose not to take the survey or may refuse to answer any question on the survey [and] a parent may also opt their student out of participating in the SHS,” the Student Health Survey FAQ reads.

Under the “For Students” section, the OHA reiterates students don’t have to participate but claims “it’s the only way we’ll know how students are doing physically, emotionally and socially.”

The “For Parents” section notes that if parents don’t want their child to take the survey, all they have to do is sign and return the parental notification form so “the school will make sure that [the] child does not take the survey.”​

Why should students even bother with the survey in the first place? According to the OHA, it’s because “healthy kids learn better”:

“No curriculum is brilliant enough to compensate for a hungry stomach or a distracted mind. Good health is an essential educational tool. Research shows that healthy students have better attendance, get higher grades and test scores and are less likely to skip school, drop out, or engage in risky behaviors.”

Little Ummie - whom I'm amazed still posts here given his history of being butthurt and angry all the time - did get one thing right: the libs aren't wanting to cram their nonsense down everyone's throats.

They prefer using another orifice to do the job.

I have no claim to anyone famous except some family members were part of the Norwegian underground
and Norwegian Armed Forces during WWII. One cousin removed was highly decorated and had a very well hidden mountain cabin where the Allies parachuted supplies and weapons. The Nazi tried in vain to locate the cabin. —LurkerMom

What made you decide to switch sides?

Notice how nobody is reacting to this. It’s almost like the libs knew already that he’s using multiple logins.

As I’ve always said: there’s very little that’s real about the left. It’s all performative, and almost nothing is genuine.

Back on the Fool there were libs who would maintain dummy accounts to pump up recs because their egos needed the dopamine hit. Wonder how many do it over here?

The “For Parents” section notes that if parents don’t want their child to take the survey, all they have to do is sign and return the parental notification form so “the school will make sure that [the] child does not take the survey.”​

Could you link to the site you got this from? Copying chinks into google search doesn't bring it up. Looks like the parents can opt out.

From FB Oregonians for Oregon 10-29

Eric Evans
Pretty sure the purpose of the survey is simply to identify kids who already have these feelings so they can be offered additional or targeted support to hopefully stop feeling ashamed or like something is wrong with them and trying or succeeding in killing themselves. No one is trying to turn your kids gay. And sorry but you can't turn your gay kids straight either. And if you think inclusivity or wokeness or the visibility of gays in media is to blame then how do you explain all the gay people who grew up in the 50's before all that existed? And of course you can't review their answers- the kids who are gay live in real fear that if you knew their secret you might not love them anymore. That's a terrible burden for a kid. Of course you COULD just tell your kid you would love and accept them even if they were gay. Then they would probably trust you enough to tell you themselves. Talk to your kids. And by talk I mean listen. And for gods sake let them cook. Unless they are being disrespectful shits. Ground those kids. Politeness is undervalued but is also a two-way street.

Marvin Parker
For those in the Rogue River school district you should know that these subjects are now part of your childs heath studies starting in kindergarten. You should also be aware that you will not be allowed to review your child's answers or obtain a copy. If your child decides they are the opposite sex or a furry the teachers are not allowed to discuss this issue with you without your child's consent. Don't worry they will be receiving mental healthcare at the new La Clinica, without your consent if they choose.(This last bit about La clinaca may be sarcasm)

If I were you, I'd ask Oregon. I'd also ask, if it isn't your state, why does it disturb you? It doesn't disturb me. Show me where the kid immediately goes into surgery based on how he answers, show me where he gets hormone treatment.

Pretty sure it's classic sexual grooming of minor children by pedos in the Oregon school system.

Pretty sure it's classic sexual grooming of minor children by pedos ~oldmarco000

Sure is...
"Show us the Epstein client list now!!! Why would anyone protect these scumbags?!
Ask yourself this question daily and the answer becomes very apparent!!" ~Don Trump JR, 07/08/23

"Happy Birthday Jeffrey — and may every day be another wonderful secret." ~Trump

Trump's pedo-party on caught on video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUDr_c2PalI

Yes,adults sexualizing children is generally considered grooming, just because it's the Oregon school system doesn't make it otherwise.

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