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Yup.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/...

he National Muslim Democratic Council, a nationwide group of Democratic leaders and activists, threatened President Joe Biden that if he does not force Israel to reach a ceasefire with Hamas, a U.S. State Department-designated foreign terrorist organization, by 5 p.m. ET on Tuesday, they will work to mobilize against him in the 2024 presidential election.

"It has become evident that our voices are being ignored, but our votes will not be. Simply put, as Gaza turns red, so could crucial battleground states," the council said in a letter Monday to the White House and Democratic Party.

"Your administration's unconditional support, encompassing funding and armaments, has played a significant role in perpetuating the violence that is causing civilian casualties and has eroded trust in voters who previously put their faith in you," the group also wrote.

"We will mobilize increased voter turnout to make our voices heard," the council also wrote.

Dope1: Yup.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/election

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LOL. It's a direct quote from an organization.

You're trying the Poison The Well fallacy. You shouldn't; it requires a more subtle touch to employ it effectively. Brute force THISE GUYS ARE POOPYHEADS appeals to it look pretty weak.

Anybody ever heard of the national democratic muslim council?
When push comes to shove, Muslims are invested in beating christofascist candidates.

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I'd pay a decent hourly rate to hang out in Hollywood homes and offices right about now.

Welcome Muslims!

White 401K toting Liberals know all about what you think.

Just like they have for blacks for a half century now.

Sigh.

Paternalistic racists.

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commonone, would you please stop it with your nonsense. We have already presented you
with the information your mediafactcheck link was founded by a liberal and is run by liberals.

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'PolitiFact has drawn allegations of political bias from both left-leaning and right-leaning media outlets.[52][53][54] Overall, right-leaning outlets get more negative results from fact-checkers than those on the left, including at PolitiFact, which some right-wing commentators have interpreted as evidence of bias.[54]

In February 2011, University of Minnesota political science professor Eric Ostermeier analyzed 511 PolitiFact stories issued from January 2010 through January 2011. He found that the number of statements analyzed from Republicans and from Democrats was comparable, but Republicans had been assigned substantially harsher grades, receiving "false" or "pants on fire" more than three times as often as Democrats. The report found that "In total, 74 of the 98 statements by political figures judged 'false' or 'pants on fire' over the last 13 month were given to Republicans, or 76 percent, compared to just 22 statements for Democrats (22 percent)."

Ostermeier observed that PolitiFact was not transparent about how the comments were selected for analysis and raised the possibility that the more negative evaluations of Republican comments might be the result of selection bias, concluding: "The question is not whether PolitiFact will ultimately convert skeptics on the right that they do not have ulterior motives in the selection of what statements are rated, but whether the organization can give a convincing argument that either a) Republicans in fact do lie much more than Democrats, or b) if they do not, that it is immaterial that PolitiFact covers political discourse with a frame that suggests this is the case."[55] In response, PolitiFact editor Bill Adair stated in MinnPost: "[...][W]e're accustomed to hearing strong reactions from people on both ends of the political spectrum. We are a news organization and we choose which facts to check based on news judgment. We check claims that we believe readers are curious about, claims that would prompt them to wonder, 'Is that true?'"[56]

An independent 2013 analysis from the nonpartisan Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University showed results consistent with the findings of the aforementioned 2011 study, concluding that PolitiFact was three times as likely to rank statements from Republicans as "Pants on Fire," and twice as likely to rank statements from Democrats as "Entirely True." The disparity in these evaluations came despite roughly equally attention paid to statements made by representatives of the two parties: 50.4 percent for the GOP, versus 47.2 percent for the Democrats, with 2.4 percent attention paid to statements from independents.[57]'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolitiFact

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Seems to me the right wingers here almost never cite legitimate news sources. And at least one has stated that FOX is the only source of truth!

An independent 2013 analysis from the nonpartisan Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University showed results consistent with the findings of the aforementioned 2011 study, concluding that PolitiFact was three times as likely to rank statements from Republicans as "Pants on Fire," and twice as likely to rank statements from Democrats as "Entirely True."


This finding simply reflects the reality.....even worse now than it was then.....that Republicans spread disinformation and untruths far more frequently than Democrats do, and their untruths tend to stray further from the truth.

This finding simply reflects the reality.....even worse now than it was then.....that Republicans spread disinformation and untruths far more frequently than Democrats do, and their untruths tend to stray further from the truth.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Russiagate!
The Israelis bombed a hospital in Gaza!
US Interrogators flushed a Koran down at Gitmo!
DanRatherGate!
Hands up, don't shoot!
Trayvon Martin!

One could go on for hours about all the fake things you people not only generate, but believe to your very bones to be true.

Let's get this thread back on topic and put aside the childish attempts to derail it, shall we?

The WSJ has noticed the same thing:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/democrats-risk-long-l...

The Left Is Tearing Itself Apart Over Israel
Pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian liberal factions now divided as ugly accusations fly in both directions

I've said it for years. The real home of racism and anti-semitism is the worldwide left. And now...everyone sees it.

The weeks since the Hamas attacks have riven the liberal coalition, pitting erstwhile allies against each other as ugly accusations fly in both directions. From the halls of power in Washington to street protests and social media, progressives find themselves at odds with those they once saw as kindred spirits.

Both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian advocates describe a feeling of disillusionment as relationships fracture and harsh words are exchanged. The result, many predict, could be a breach that splits Democrats for a generation with untold political consequences.

Good. The faster the abomination known as the democrat party is broken up and replaced with something that's not completely insane the faster we can get this country fixed. I'm not holding my breath, though.

I've said it for years. The real home of racism and anti-semitism is the worldwide left.

There can be more than one "real home" of racism and anti-semitism. When I personally have encountered anti-semitism, it's been among both constituencies that are more associated with the Democratic party (union workers in Detroit, minority groups in Boston) and Republicans (a bunch of times in southern Christian contexts). Sadly, Tom Lehrer had it right. Still, all things considered, as a Jew I'd much rather be in a big liberal city than a small conservative town - any day of the week and twice on Shabbos.

Still, it's important to remember that these schisms are largely causing immediate problems within the hardcore progressive left coalition, not among Democrats more broadly. There has always been disagreement over Palestine and Israel between the deeply-progressive Democratic base and the more center-left "moderate" wing of the party. That's nothing new, and really not that much of a surprise to center-left Jews, who have always regarded the hardcore left's embrace of the Palestinian cause with concern. Nor is it all that unique - the hardcore progressive base has always been dissatisfied with centrist approaches to immigration reform, climate change, universal health care. You name it. The hardcore progressives aren't going to walk over to the GOP over any of those issues.

What's new, though, is that super-lefty Jews are shocked to find out that some of their fellow uber-left-wingers really do believe that Israel is a colonial settler state, that it is an oppressor state that shouldn't exist, and that the oppressed are entitled to use "any means necessary" to end their oppression. That they really meant the radically illiberal things they were advocating. So what's going to break is the rapproachment in the far-far left between the radicals and the hyper-liberal "realists."

<I've said it for years. The real home of racism and anti-semitism is the worldwide left. And now...everyone sees it.>

Yeah, no.

Donald Trump and Mike Pence were endorsed by former KKK leader David Duke and by the "Crusader" the official newspaper of the KKK.
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were not.

"Beware, your life is not valued":
NAACP travel advisory warns Florida has become "hostile toward African Americans" under the leadership of Gov. Ron DeSantis.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/21/us/naacp-florida-tr...

Neo-Nazis explain why they support Donald Trump and The GOP...
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/8/...

"Because of Ron DeSantis and his frenzied appeal to extremists, LGBTQ+ people in Florida are finding themselves in a state of emergency
every single day. Since the day he took office, DeSantis has weaponized his position to weave bigotry, hate, and discrimination into public law for his own political gain.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/05...

When your political ideology is a christofacist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, Leave It To Beaver trip back to the 1950's and you're voting for the same folks as the KKK and the Nazis, congratulations, you're on the wrong side...

There can be more than one "real home" of racism and anti-semitism. When I personally have encountered anti-semitism, it's been among both constituencies that are more associated with the Democratic party (union workers in Detroit, minority groups in Boston) and Republicans (a bunch of times in southern Christian contexts). Sadly, Tom Lehrer had it right. Still, all things considered, as a Jew I'd much rather be in a big liberal city than a small conservative town - any day of the week and twice on Shabbos.

Then you're both really selling the small conservative towns short. These days the worst you'd be liable to get is a "Ur a hwhat? You go to church on a Saturday?" kind of a thing. Or somebody might ask you what the small hat is for.

Compare that to running around say, Berkeley or UCLA or Cornell today. In fact, let's ask Mayim Bialik what she thinks about that:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/no-excuse-for-this-...

'Imagine if there was a massacre of an ethnic group or a religious group, the equivalent of 50,000 Americans,' she said. 'And imagine if what happened after that was that all over the world, there were marches of tens of thousands of people calling for further massacre of those people ' That's what it feels like right now as a Jewish person.'

'There has not been an experience in my lifetime that has prepared me for this,' she added. 'I have heard from many people my whole life that anti-semitism is growing. That the Holocaust, while we say we'll never forget, many have forgotten. And the swiftness with which the global population has seized upon the massacre of Jewish civilians living inside of a border. The swiftness with which the world has stepped up to redefine terrorism, to redefine statehood, to redefine the right of a people to exist.'

Where are those protests happening? In small town America, or on university campuses where the Jewish kids can't go to Hillel or get out of the library safely?

The hardcore progressives aren't going to walk over to the GOP over any of those issues.

Of course not. They might not vote at all, though. I'll take that outcome all day.

What's new, though, is that super-lefty Jews are shocked to find out that some of their fellow uber-left-wingers really do believe that Israel is a colonial settler state, that it is an oppressor state that shouldn't exist, and that the oppressed are entitled to use "any means necessary" to end their oppression. That they really meant the radically illiberal things they were advocating. So what's going to break is the rapproachment in the far-far left between the radicals and the hyper-liberal "realists."

And one wonders if the super-lefty Jews understand that once the dream of the River to The Sea is satisfied...that they're next. Probably not.

One could go on for hours about all the fake things you people not only generate, but believe to your very bones to be true.

You must be responding to the one I have on ignore. Wouldn't show up for me.

You're right though, if the left is not lying they are making stuff up.

You must be responding to the one I have on ignore. Wouldn't show up for me.

It's a special one, for sure.
I'd bet that most - if not all of them - really believe the Russiagate stuff was true. Along with a bunch of the others on the list.

I've said it for years. The real home of racism and anti-semitism is the worldwide left.

You are wrong for years, as usual. Most liberals or centrists run into anti semitism on the hard left and struggle to understand why it's there. Part of it is just kooky. But some of it is present in seemingly normal bright intelligent people and it's perplexing. It's not perplexing at all to find it in a conservative.


<snip>HEADER: Poll: Nearly 7 in 10 US Jews think Republican Party holds anti-Semitic views
American Jewish Committee surveys also find 52% of all Americans think GOP holds anti-Semitic opinions; 82% of US Jews say anti-Semitism on rise in last 5 years

37% of Jews, 42% of overall public, say same about Democrats

More than two-thirds of American Jews, and slightly more than half of all Americans, believe the Republican Party holds a lot or some anti-Semitic views.

That's one takeaway from two surveys published Monday by the American Jewish Committee, just over a week before the US elections. The surveys asked Jews and the general American public about anti-Semitism in the United States.

The Jewish survey found that an overwhelming majority of Jews ' 88% ' consider anti-Semitism a problem, and that most see it as a problem on the right and in the Republican Party. Those findings were in line with what the AJC, a nonpartisan advocacy organization, found when it surveyed American Jews last year. A majority of Americans overall also believe that the Republican Party holds anti-Semitic views.

'Results from both surveys indicate more Americans attribute anti-Semitic views to the Republican Party than attribute them to the Democratic Party,' the AJC said. 'Majorities of respondents in both surveys say the Republican Party holds a lot or some anti-Semitic views. More than two-thirds of American Jews (69%) and over half of US adults (52%) say the Republican Party holds at least some anti-Semitic views, compared to 37% of American Jews and 42% of the general public who say the same about the Democratic Party.'<snip>

https://www.timesofisrael.com/69-of-us-jews-52-of-...

LM: commonone, would you please stop it with your nonsense. We have already presented you
with the information your mediafactcheck link was founded by a liberal and is run by liberals.

Why do you say you have info on Media Bias Fact Check and then give info on Politifact? They aren't the same.

You are wrong for years, as usual. Most liberals or centrists run into anti semitism on the hard left and struggle to understand why it's there. Part of it is just kooky. But some of it is present in seemingly normal bright intelligent people and it's perplexing. It's not perplexing at all to find it in a conservative.

And yet, the thousands of leftists that are out there are doing a wonderful job of making my point for me.

The poll you're citing. That's their opinion.

An opinion that's rapidly changing thanks to current events. You might also ask yourself who is becoming the fastest group in the US that's buying firearms. The. You might ask yourself which party that aligns to.

And yet, the thousands of leftists that are out there are doing a wonderful job of making my point for me.

The poll you're citing. That's their opinion.

A well made poll is not an opinion.

o·pin·ion: a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

So when you take a poll in this case you are finding out the views and experiences of a group of people representative of the population you are polling.

So it's AN ACTUAL FACT +-5% with 95% accuracy that this group of people feel this way.

Your opinion, however, is based on just Dope intuition. A sort of Dopish truthiness. Which is why your opinions and understandings are waaaay out there sometimes.

So what is an intelligent person going to believe, that Dope is right and the Jews perceptions as a group are way off? I choose the Jews are likely more right than Dope.

Then you're both really selling the small conservative towns short. These days the worst you'd be liable to get is a "Ur a hwhat? You go to church on a Saturday?" kind of a thing. Or somebody might ask you what the small hat is for.

Nope. It might be comforting to imagine that all you would get is benevolent ignorance. But what you can also get is the, "we don't want your kind around here" - the "try that in a small town," when that is being Jewish. Vandalism of Jewish symbols and property, threats, Nazi imagery, and even violence. Don't imagine that just because there's antisemitism on the left that there isn't on the right. The "Unite the Right" folks were chanting that Jews would not replace them. All those dank Pepe memes where he's gleefully working the controls of a gas chamber or dressed as a Hauptscharführer - those are coming from the alt-right, not the alt-left. The folks hanging out on Stormfront or the Daily Stormer aren't progressive DSA members; they're hard-right white nationalists, who include Jews among the non-whites that they want to eradicate. Not just advocating for a Palestine that runs from the river to the sea - actually advocating for a second Holocaust, the literal extermination of Jews from America. (((Albaby))) isn't a leftist idea.

There's anti-semitism no matter where you go - geographically or along the political spectrum. But notwithstanding the illiberal left, Jews fit in much better with the liberals than the conservatives; both ideologically and demographically. More than any other religious group, we're overwhelmingly pro-choice, urban, college-educated, cultural liberal religious-minorities comprised nearly entirely of 19th and 20th century immigrant waves. Not exactly a conservative/Republican group.

I've said it for years. The real home of racism and anti-semitism is the worldwide left.

Patently false and an inversion of reality...like most of what you post.

albaby1

How is Israel not a settler colonial state? There was and is an indigenous population in, let's call it the Levant for the sake of neutrality. The current Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites and Philistines, all the way back to biblical times. Only a tiny percentage were and are still Bedouins.

Current Israelites are largely Eastern European.

fd

ve said it for years. The real home of racism and anti-semitism is the worldwide left.

Patently false and an inversion of reality...like most of what you post.
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Yeah they don't like being called out.

Go back to locking them up in crappy cities and encouraging disintegration of family units.

Convince them that SAT's, AIDS, and cocaine was all rigged against them.

While you're at it, pay off the 40 acres and mules too.

....

Stalin showed someone - if you pluck a bird's feather off one by one - the little bird isn't mad....he will be thankful for the warmth your palm gives him because he doesn't have feathers.


Racist Liberals love pretending to be for non white people they can have control over.

They fear and shun non whites that will compete with them for professional jobs and eventually surpass them.

The Anti Semetism thing? Not my monkey, not my circus. If it goes badly....oh well.

Some people - don't care.

Why should I.

How is Israel not a settler colonial state? There was and is an indigenous population in, let's call it the Levant for the sake of neutrality. The current Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites and Philistines, all the way back to biblical times. Only a tiny percentage were and are still Bedouins.

Current Israelites are largely Eastern European.

Two main points.

First, the current Israelites are also descendants of the indigenous population of the Levant. They were expelled from the immediate area by the Assyrians (and then from other homelands, over and over again throughout history, I might add). While many Israelites returned to the area directly from Eastern Europe, others were expelled from other countries in the vicinity of the Levant - notably from Egypt and Syria, but many others from Yemen, Iraq, and other countries of the region. About half of all Israeli Jews are descended from European immigrants, and the other half are descended from Jews living in Arabic countries.

Second, Israel wasn't a colony at any time. From the 1500's through WWI, the Levant was part of the Ottoman Empire. There were no countries at all in the region. The first two large waves of Jewish immigrants to the area weren't colonizers - they were just people legally and lawfully emigrating to the region with the permission and concurrence of the government, many of which were moving within the country. They were no more colonizers than any of the folks who immigrate to any other country, or people who move around within a country.

By the time of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, there were about 120K Jews living within the boundaries of what would become the British Mandate (as the victorious Allies assumed administrative control over the former Ottoman and German Imperial territories). Many more emigrated to the area when the U.S. shut down immigration in the early 20th century. Again lawfully and with the concurrence of the Mandatory government. It's no more accurate to refer to them as "colonizers" than it would be to refer to Chinese, German, Irish, Hispanic, and other large immigrant waves to the U.S. "colonizing" the U.S. from its English and Dutch population.

When the British withdrew, and returned sovereignty to the then-existing population of the region, those folks weren't colonizers. They were the legal extant population of the Mandate area, with no less right and legitimacy to be there than the other ethnic and demographic groups that lived there. Many had been living there for generations, by 1948.

Yeah they don't like being called out.

No idea who it is you're replying to, but it's probably not anyone noted for insightful and polite commentary.

Told you so.

Told you so.

What do you mean? Do you think that I was unaware that there exist progressives who have these views - or disagreed with you about that?

There are certainly people on the left who question whether Israeli existence is legitimate. There are also plenty of people on the right who question whether any and all Jews anywhere should be allowed to live at all, in any country, at any time. Pointing out the former doesn't negate the existence of the latter.

Current Israelites are largely Eastern European.

That's the common misimpression. In reality.....

"Israeli Jews are nearly evenly split between two Jewish ethnic identity groups ' the Ashkenazim (45%) and the Sephardim or Mizrahim (48%). These two ethnic groups retain some distinct religious practices and cultural traditions associated with their ancestral roots."
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2016/03/08/id....

Sephardic Jews are from Spain and Portugal. And in addition, there are Jews in Israel from a number of countries in the Middle East and in North Africa.

Sephardic Jews are from Spain and Portugal. And in addition, there are Jews in Israel from a number of countries in the Middle East and in North Africa.

There's a huge overlap between those two groups.

Among the many places the Jews have been expelled from over the centuries was Spain. In 1492, the Catholic monarchs of Spain expelled all the Jews - both from Spain and all of their possessions. Some 200,000 Jews ended up being driven out, and many of them ended up living along the Mediterranean basin in North Africa and the Middle East, mostly in the Levant area. About 100K of the Jews who emigrated to Israel between 1948-1953 were from northern Africa, and they were the descendants of the Spanish diaspora.

The other major source of Middle Eastern Jews in Israel was the huge population in the area now known as Iraq. They weren't from Spain, but instead dated back to the Babylonian/Assyrian exiles. They had lived in that area for many centuries, and prospered under the Ottoman Empire from the 1500's. Even into the early years of the newly-formed country of Iraq, the Jewish population was tolerated, until things started really deteriorating in the WWII years and the Farhud pogrom. They were finally driven out in the violence surrounding the formation of Israel, and about 120K-150K Jews moved from Iraq to Israel in the five years between 1948-1953. In fact, Iraq was the single largest country-of-origin for Israeli emigres during that time - more than any Eastern European nation.

In the first few years of Israel's existence, maybe about 20-25% of the Jewish population (250-280K or so) were Jews that had been driven out of Muslim countries in response to the UN's 1947 Partition Plan.

... what you can also get is the, "we don't want your kind around here" - the "try that in a small town," when that is being Jewish.

The week Hamas attacked Israel there was a coast to coast distribution of anti-semitic flyers attributed to the Goyem Defense League.

Those flyers were distributed in very small towns.

"The Goyim Defense League is an antisemitic hate group and conspiracy theory network of individuals who are active on social media websites and operate an online video platform called GoyimTV. The GDL also performs banner drops, papering neighborhoods with flyers, and other stunts to harass Jews. The GDL emerged in 2018 and is led by the antisemitic provocateur Jon Minadeo II.

The various known members of the GDL support the extreme right wing of the Republican party

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/antisemitic-mess...

albaby1

A very complete and thoughtful reply, thank you.

A very complete and thoughtful reply, thank you.

My pleasure. Thanks for the kind words.

As an aside, the above analysis is why some Jews argue that being anti-Zionist is being anti-Semitic. Personally, I disagree, at least at that level of generality. But the gist is that some anti-Zionist arguments depend on Jews being "less than" other peoples - that they are denied status or entitlements that others can lay claim to, based solely on the fact that they're Jewish. That even though Jews were originally displaced from the area by enslavement (the Babylonian Exile) and colonization (the Roman occupation and exile after the Jewish-Roman wars), they don't get to have the indigenous status that any other group would have if they suffered those depredations. And that even if a Jewish family were living in the area for generations before 1948 (there were tens of thousands of Jews in the area before Zionism really began in the late 1800's, and the first Zionist-led wave of Jewish immigrants started in the 1880's - three or four generations before 1948 - they don't get to be Palestinians. So while the descendants of an Arab/Muslim family that moved within the Ottoman Empire into the region in 1910 hves a legitimate claim to being a "true" Palestinian, the descendants of a Jewish family that moved there a generation earlier would not - just because they're Jewish.

Again, I don't agree that those objections translate into anti-Zionism as a whole being necessarily anti-Semitic. But they are valid concerns about the anti-jewish biases that underlie some very specific arguments and assumptions about the legitimacy of the Jewish state and which groups are allowed to raise which arguments about belonging in the area.

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