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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
Number: of 48467 
Subject: The Illusion of Vetting
Date: 06/12/2024 11:50 AM
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Eight "visitors" from Tajikistan were arrested by ICE yesterday due to their affiliation with ISIS. All eight had previously been vetted at the southern order and deemed OK to let in.

Tell me again about the effectiveness of vetting. I don't blame the border agents. They are overwhelmed and are allowed to languish that way.

PS I don't blame Donald Trump either. He correctly assessed the weakness in the so-called bipartisan border bill. BTW, now that Biden's EO shutting down the border has been in effect for a while, there has actually been an increase in border crossings. Exactly the same thing would have happened with any authority given to Biden under the senate bill or any other. If there is no will to enforce, then why hand Biden a bunch of money that will most likely be used only to increase welcome wagon capacity.



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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48467 
Subject: Re: The Illusion of Vetting
Date: 06/12/2024 12:21 PM
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All eight had previously been vetted at the southern order and deemed OK to let in.

Don't get too excited yet Mike.

SNIP
Investigators do not currently believe the eight received training abroad or were purposefully sent to the US to engage in violence, one source said.

Of those arrested, a small subset is believed to have espoused concerning extremist rhetoric, according to the source, and it is unclear whether the remaining people were arrested for their mere association with the other people arrested.SNIP

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/us/tajik-nationals-...

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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
Number: of 48467 
Subject: Re: The Illusion of Vetting
Date: 06/12/2024 12:35 PM
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I think the point is that we're waving the red cape around at the border, and sooner or later a rather large bull is goin to come charging across.

It doesn't have to be this way, and it shouldn't.
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Subject: Re: The Illusion of Vetting
Date: 06/12/2024 12:36 PM
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bighairymike: Eight "visitors" from Tajikistan were arrested by ICE yesterday due to their affiliation with ISIS.

Careful. The information available now is sketchy, at best, based on one or two "sources". And it appears as though Of those arrested, a small subset is believed to have espoused concerning extremist rhetoric, according to the source, and it is unclear whether the remaining people were arrested for their mere association with the other people arrested.

No idea what a "small subset" of eight means.

Two points: One, The ability to surveil certain foreign targets was the subject of intense debate in Congress earlier this year, with conservatives criticizing the US intelligence community’s sweeping powers. A two-year authorization of one particular aspect of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act – known as Section 702 – finally passed both houses of Congress and was signed by President Joe Biden in April before the program lapsed.

Republicans resisted passing the legislation that made their identification and arrest possible.

Two, their arrest was the result of efforts of ICE and the FBI’s joint terrorism task forces. You know, the agency that republicans want to defund: Republicans conditioned support for the first tranche of spending bills signed by the president on March 9 on cutting $654 million from the FBI budget — including $32 million that went to the heart of operations, a cut that still left far-right Republicans complaining the cuts weren't deep enough.

In addition, as we've discussed, republicans don't want to increase funding for ICE either... they want to have these kinds of arrests in the news during election season.

As the convicted felon told his rally crowd: "I don't care about you."

And he doesn't.

But then, you're in a cult and he knows it.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/us/tajik-nationals-...

https://www.newsweek.com/no-country-law-men-gop-vo....
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Illusion of Vetting
Date: 06/12/2024 12:48 PM
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I think the point is that we're waving the red cape around at the border, and sooner or later a rather large bull is goin to come charging across.

You're not very good at metaphors it seems.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Illusion of Vetting
Date: 06/12/2024 12:50 PM
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Of those arrested, a small subset is believed to have espoused concerning extremist rhetoric, according to the source, and it is unclear whether the remaining people were arrested for their mere association with the other people arrested.SNIP


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OK, so let them remain and roam free so we can find out.

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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Illusion of Vetting
Date: 06/12/2024 12:57 PM
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OK, so let them remain and roam free so we can find out.

This is so easy. You know what the correct answer for the number of unvetted randos from sketchy places running around the country? Zero.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48467 
Subject: Re: The Illusion of Vetting
Date: 06/12/2024 1:00 PM
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OK, so let them remain and roam free so we can find out.

Where is it you live? We'll send them right over after ICE is done with them, until then... Kudos FBI, Kudos ICE.
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Author: Carpian 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The Illusion of Vetting
Date: 06/12/2024 7:19 PM
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This is so easy. You know what the correct answer for the number of unvetted randos from sketchy places running around the country? Zero.

And what would be the correct answer for the number of felony convictions someone could have and still pass vetting? Thirty-four?
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