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In March 2025, in the thread "Re: OT, out", Umm asked the members: "Do you think it is because America is made up of magical soil that makes businesses based in America magically profitable?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Author: BenSolar ✶  😊 😞
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Subject: Taken to the Woodshed
Date: 11/11/23 11:06 AM
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Well, as I anticipated, the interest rate trend crushed Upstart's results and the stock market reacted very negatively. Would have made a nice trade, but I don't trust myself to break even with short term trading so I didn't mess with my position.

The company seems to be continuing to make solid forward progress, with a reported large jump in their AI model's accuracy with the latest iteration and progress on all fronts of their loan programs: widened availability of personal loans through credit unions, more auto dealers offering their auto loans, and progress on their home equity product.

If this is the peak of the interest rate cycle, as seems likely to me, it may be a good time to buy UPST: if interest rates just hold steady it will be a big improvement for them, and if interest rates start dropping it will boost results.

It's rough when you have many hundreds of millions of dollars of loans on the books and the market keeps repricing them down as interest rates rise. Total interest income and loss from readjustments to fair value was a net $12.2 million loss, and they expect that figure to be a $15m loss in the 4th quarter. I think that could drop to zero or go positive in the first quarter of next year if interest rates stabilize.

This past quarter the interest/fair value picture was:
Interest income: $37.7m
Interest expense: ($9.4m)
Fair value and other adjustments to loan value: ($40.5m)

You can see that if the fair value/other adjustments zero out in a level interest rate environment, the net interest/fair value line item swings from a sizable $12m loss to ballpark $29m gain, which is huge for a company that reported a net loss of $40.4m, or $.1m less of a loss than the fair value and other adjustments loss of $40.5m.
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This community has written 123 posts about Upstart Holdings. The article-length ones it recommended most:
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