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We kind of kicked this around in previous threads but journalist Julie K. Brown had the right answer yesterday: the criminal case against Maxwell was open during the Biden administration. She wasn't convicted until late 2021, and then she appealed. It's never a good idea to open your evidence files when a criminal case is ongoing. There is also a strong possibility that the FBI was still investigating possible suspects who helped Epstein or participated in his crimes. The last thing you want to do is tip off suspects that they're targets of an investigation.
So, no, the suggestion that Biden didn't release the Epstein files because there was nothing there to incriminate Trumpedo is nonsense.
As we're seeing, there's plenty there to incriminate pervy Trumpedo in the files we've seen so far.
And seriously, cultists, if the Epstein files exonerated Trumpedo, he'd have his press secretary reading them at the daily briefings.
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We kind of kicked this around in previous threads but journalist Julie K. Brown had the right answer yesterday: the criminal case against Maxwell was open during the Biden administration. She wasn't convicted until late 2021, and then she appealed. It's never a good idea to open your evidence files when a criminal case is ongoing. I'm super swamped, but I wanted to point out that this is certainly wrong. The government
has to open up their evidence files when a criminal case is ongoing - the defendant has a right to examine all that stuff. And as we talked about during those previous threads, almost all of this stuff became public after she was convicted and her first appeals were denied, and the civil cases were wound up:
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/the-jud...These new emails aren't even from the case files - they're from the Epstein estate that were subpoenaed recently. That's the GOP's biggest "own goal" on
L'Affaire Epstein: in order to provide some political cover for Trump not releasing the entirety of the government's file, they convened their own investigative panel, which then discovered a lot more stuff that made Trump look worse, like the birthday book and the recently disclosed emails.
Still seems unlikely there's anything especially damning
for anyone (other than Epstein and Maxwell) in the actual "Epstein files" that Trump's base rabidly wants released, and which he can't release without disappointing them immensely.
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albaby1: I'm super swamped, but I wanted to point out that this is certainly wrong. The government has to open up their evidence files when a criminal case is ongoing - the defendant has a right...
WTF are you talking about? Sure, the defendant gets to see the evidence but not the public. My post is about why the Biden administration did not release the Epstein files to the public.
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commonone,
Obviously Biden didn't release the Epstein files because at a minimum it would have been very embarassing to Obama. Obama's White House Counsel from 2010-2014 was in frequent contact with Epstein.
You are aware that Obama was running the country during Biden's term, aren't you?
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Obviously Biden didn't release the Epstein files because at a minimum it would have been very embarassing to Obama. Obama's White House Counsel from 2010-2014 was in frequent contact with Epstein.
You are aware that Obama was running the country during Biden's term, aren't you?
Releasing the Epstein files will also make Bill Gates and Bill Clinton somewhat uncomfortable...
On another note, isn't it amusing how fast they obeyed orders and started talking about Epstein again?
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WTF are you talking about? Sure, the defendant gets to see the evidence but not the public. My post is about why the Biden administration did not release the Epstein files to the public.
Then why would you be reluctant to release the files simply because the case is on appeal? IOW, why does it matter that the case is still proceeding in the appellate courts, years after the trial? You’re not protecting any advantage vis a vis the criminal defendant, because they have access to everything the government has….
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You are aware that Obama was running the country during Biden's term, aren't you?
Horseshit
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Releasing the Epstein files will also make Bill Gates and Bill Clinton somewhat uncomfortable..
Alan Dershowitz, Larry Summers, perhaps even Jamie Dimon.
So what? Whoever was involved, put them on trial. The American people seem to be on board with letting the chips fall.
But lets not start Trump’s investigation yet, even though Pam Bondi is chompin at the bit (after declaring that her department’s investigation revealed nobody involved except Epstein).
It looks like Trump wants to play the same game he played with not revealing his tax information…….HIS Justice Department can now simply refuse to release the files because “they are evidence in a current investigation”.
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The first trial should be Obama and his White House Counsel from 2010-2014.
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But Christians? Whites? Let's don the rainbow colored hoods.
Do you have evidence that Obama was involved with Epstein? You were pretty adamant that nobody had any evidence linking Trump, so I have to assume that you’ve got something more solid than that.
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Here's a clip from today on TYT. It opens with a clip of Jesse Watters, on Fox Noise, saying the real Epstein story is about a foreign intelligence service. The discussion follows that thread, and it becomes clear why NO US administration wanted to talk about Epstein.
Right-Wingers Are Beginning To See The Light About Epsteinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1_WyrSzWd0Steve
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There's absolutely no evidence that Epstein was involved in any kind of intelligence operation. That's paranoid schizophrenia level conspiracy theorizing, right up there with all the Jew hatred. Just like Nick Fuentes
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albaby1,
There could be internal DOJ rules, customs, procedures, etc., written or unwritten, in terms of maintaining confidentiality of active case files, or if the case is on appeal. There could be a duty to maintain confidentiality of sensitive records even in closed case files.
I'm not saying there is or isn't, and I'm no defender of Biden or Merrick Garland.
I'm just saying there are probably a whole bunch of very good reasons at least in the general case, where the DOJ simply defaults to maintaining confidentiality of criminal case records.
Obviously anything that is actually filed with the court in the case (unless filed under seal) is going to be public record.
But most of the case file material is likely never filed in the court record. Even Brady material which is provided to the defense counsel during post-indictment discovery wouldn't necessarily be considered fair game for public disclosure.
I'm not sure why anything involving investigations into Epstein, Maxwell, or anyone associated with them should or would be treated any differently (if not for purely political reasons).
From a purely criminal justice standpoint all of these kinds of records should be regarded as "confidential." Not necessarily "secret" like grand jury records, just "confidential."
The purpose of the DOJ accumulating these records is for prosecuting crimes, not for politics.
Again, I'm no defender of Biden at all but it's not a very good precedent to be releasing thousands of pages of emails, files, what have you, of "raw" investigatory materials.
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There's absolutely no evidence that Epstein was involved in any kind of intelligence operation.Epstein, a USian, being a "financial advisor" to rich people, and Maxwell, a Brit, rich with daddy's money, crossing paths is possible. Both of them being perverts, is possible. Lots of people have friends living in Israel. But these two rich perverts, both having connections at the highest levels of the Israeli government and intelligence services?
Maxwell's description of how they met:
The British socialite — and now federal prisoner — described how, in 1991, she was set up on a date with Epstein, who was “looking for a wife,” when she moved to New York after breaking off an engagement. The soon-to-be notorious pair met for tea.https://nypost.com/2025/08/23/us-news/ghislaine-ma...So, who "set up" that date? Maybe Mossad said: "your father was very helpful to us. would you like to help us too? we have an idea, that involves this pervert in New York, who has contacts with people who could be useful to us"? You don't need to be John le Carré to see Maxwell as a Mossad agent, like her father, recruiting Epstein to run a honey pot, for Mossad.
That's paranoid schizophrenia level conspiracy theorizing,Tuck this possibility in the back of your mind, and see what develops over the next year or two. You might like to watch the TYT piece I linked to.
Steve
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The British socialite — and now federal prisoner — described how, in 1991, she was set up on a date with Epstein, who was “looking for a wife,” when she moved to New York after breaking off an engagement. The soon-to-be notorious pair met for tea.The scenario is coming together nicely. Her father died, under somewhat questionable circumstances, in November, 91. She was reportedly distraught over his death, and her cush lifestyle went up in smoke, as several hundred million turned up missing from his estate.
Enter Mossad recruitment, leveraging her depression, love for her father, and reduced financial condition: "your father was very helpful to us. would you like to help us too?". Mossad then pimps her to Epstein, who they could have heard about from Epstein's one big client, and ardent pro-Israel guy, Les Wexner: "we have an idea, that involves this pervert in New York, who has contacts with people who could be useful to us".
Early 90s timeline laid out here:
Ghislaine Maxwell meets Jeffrey Epstein after father’s death: Part 3https://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/ghislaine-maxwel...If le Carré or Ian Fleming was still alive, they would run with this scenario in a hot second. But, of course, they would make it about the "Eastern European People's Republic", not Israel. We old phartz remember the EEPR. That was the sad little Commie satellite state that the Mission Impossible crew messed with every week.
Mission Impossible Self Destruct message with Peter Graves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBzhQl4agvgSteve...darn right I watched MI in my formative years
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Hey Steve,
Cool story bro.
Now make one up for us about Chewie, Han, and Luke saving the galaxy.
You may want to spend some time in your spare bedroom posing your Star Wars figurines to give you some poetic inspiration.
Keep your hand off your meat saber, this needs to be strictly PG.
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Cool story bro.
lol...I'll have an even bigger laff, if it's all true. What will you do?
Steve
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Steve,
If it's all true I will look you straight in the eye and say, "I knew it."
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If it's all true I will look you straight in the eye and say, "I knew it."
You made me laff twice in one day. Pretty good!
Steve
