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Author: Lear 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 15070 
Subject: TEMU
Date: 12/19/2023 2:16 PM
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I'd be curious to hear others thoughts on whether TEMU is materially eating into DG's wallet or market share.

I have only seen public reporting to date, and I'm less than confident it is describing the real story. The reporting that appears to be getting clicks is a report from Earnest that purports to show that TEMU is eating from a fixed discount retailer pie. Reuters, for instance, reports the issue thus:

Tennessee-based Dollar General has seen the steepest decline in market share compared to competitors, according to Earnest Analytics. It held a 43% market share in November, down from about 57% in January. Dollar Tree's share slid nearly four percentage points from 32% in January to 28% in November.

If we're talking about market share, I confess I don't see how this is close to possible, given that (1) we know that dollar stores such as DG and DLTR are increasing their very sizeable revenues in the dollar store space, not decreasing them; and that (2) DG's revenues are about 80% consumables, which are likely to be largely unaffected by TEMU. My guess is that what we have here is an expanding and ill-defined denominator/'market' (revenue in the discount retailer category, with 5 retailers exhausting the category), and the bargain hunting consumers of DG highly correlate with the bargain hunting consumers on TEMU -- on (mostly) separate kind of purchases.

I had a look at Earnest's public facing materials, and it appears the reports allege a significant change in wallet share being spent on 'discount retailers' -- they don't allege a change in market share. They don't clarify, however, whether the total spend on a wallet category they appear to be using (all sales at DG, DLTR, OLLI, or FIVE + TEMU) has expanded, and by how much. Indeed, if TEMU is generating sales that would not ordinarily be sales made at a dollar store, while all other stores in the category are expanding their revenues, the wallet category (DG/DLTR/OLLI/FIVE/TEMU) they are using seems to be both a growing and very ill-defined pie.

Earnest also goes further by alleging things like "The data suggests that Temu has initially had the biggest sales impact on general merchandise dollar stores like Dollar General, Dollar Tree, and Family Dollar." There's quite a bit that needs to be known for this kind of causal statement, and I haven't seen that kind of data in the news reporting to date to substantiate the claim.

As an example of what I'm talking about, here is one of Earnest's releases: https://www.earnestanalytics.com/temu-takes-share-...

All that said, I'm looking for some insight on how TEMU might actually be changing the discount landscape, and whether it is sustainable in any event (my understanding is TEMU is losing significant money on its US sales). I assume there is better data out there, but I haven't seen it. I'd wager that TEMU is eating into DG's and DLTR's non-consumable product categories at the margins, and TEMU and future imitators may pose some real risks to DG's popshelf concept, but I have significant doubts it goes or will go much beyond that.
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Author: Blackswanny   😊 😞
Number: of 15070 
Subject: Re: TEMU
Date: 12/31/2023 2:05 PM
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I've downloaded the app and had a look, items are so cheap they seem too good to be true, what's their delivery times like to America? And any reviews on the quality of products? Do they offer any kind of guarantee?
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Author: Lear 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 15070 
Subject: Re: TEMU
Date: 01/02/2024 3:00 PM
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I haven't used TEMU, but I've heard delivery times are typically about a week to three weeks. That said -- and this is anecdotal -- I've also heard there is a chance there's a snafu and it ends up being 2-3 months. How often does that happen? I don't know. But Amazon they aren't.

Officially, the Canadian site currently offers me shipping in "6-20 days". (I'm also getting their targeted ads quite a bit, presumably because of my research.)

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Author: ValueOrGoHome   😊 😞
Number: of 15070 
Subject: Re: TEMU
Date: 01/17/2024 5:29 PM
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I've ordered things from TEMU and AlliExpress. $2 to $10 items from TEMU. Shipping is not like what we're used to from Amazon. 2-3 weeks seems typical, but to be fair, I've had things from Amazon take over a week (and seemed like they got fulfilled from china too). Clothes are terrible because they follow Chinese sizing, so 1XL or 2XL is the equivalent of a Medium in the US, and larger sizes have poor availability.

I find it hard to say they are taking DG's market share away. The DG's in my area carry lots of food - not something I'd ever get from the likes of TEMU or AlliExpress, and they carry in-season merchandise that you really have to plan ahead of time to get from TEMU. (ex. Christmas decorating - order during Halloween, sand castle building kit - order 4 weeks before your vacation).

But both these Chinese apps have so many categories of merchandise that the dollar stores don't carry that I'd be wary of saying their success or growth means dollar stores are doing poorly.
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