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I.
Told.
You.
So.

Never doubt.

Wonder what deal the Biden Crime family cut? You know Jill is getting a book deal and Hunter is getting a no-show board seat. The grandkids (except Navy, of course) will be getting some cash as will the deadbeat brother.

This “stunning moment” was years in the making, NBC.

The veep pick will be the Big Gretch: they have no choice but to go all-in on Wimminz on The Ticket Who Will Protect Abortion.

And now a truly laugh-out-loud load of BS from our resident Russian AI bot. Hahahahaha!

Dope1: he veep pick will be the Big Gretch: they have no choice but to go all-in on Wimminz...

Ahh, the misogyny.

If Harris is at the top of the ticket (still a very big "if"), I think the ticket would more likely be Harris-Shapiro or Harris-Cooper.

But we're in unchartered territory now.

Imagine the enthusiasm for democrats now. Orange Jesus must be shitting bricks.

POTUS can't "protect abortion". That's a legislative matter. So Congress would have to pass a law. Which isn't likely, unless we get Dem majorities in both houses (not likely).

By the way, you didn't provide a link anywhere in this thread...

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/21/biden-to-drop-out-...

The VP choice will be interesting. I'm assuming there will be an electoral college strategy, so likely someone from a key swing state.

Your party has a problem with da Jooz. As a spreader of Hamas propaganda you know why that is. So while Shapiro is a good pick, he’s probably not the pick.

That’s what you platform is going to narrow down to: abortion and MUSTPROTECTDEMOCRACYFASCISTNAZI.

That’s literally all you have to run on, and run on those you will.

Your veep pick will be Whitmer.

By the way: I told you so. Daddy is always right about these things.

Dope1: Your party has a problem with da Jooz.

First "Wimmenz," now "da Jooz." You're on fire. Sneak something in about "The Blacks" and you'll have the Racist/Sexist/Anti-Semitic trifecta.

Seriously, though, why's the GOP running that old fart who babbles about airports during the Revolutionary War and windmill cancer?

The Dems can run on the economy. They can run on improved relations with our allies. Both suffered under Trump (though, to be fair, COVID did have an effect on the economy).

Yes, we can also run on the fascistic actions/statements the convict has been doing for 8 years. And, yes, abortion will be a "win" for Dems, so that will be on the list. But it's not the only thing. Not even close.

Don't know much about Whitmer, but from what I do know, she's pretty competent. So I wouldn't have an issue. But I'm not sure that would be the most strategic choice.

The home of anti-semitism and real misogyny is the democrat party. Own it.

You’re not running on an inflation-wracked economy. Not happening.

You’re not running on foreign policy, or immigration, or crime, or pretty much everything the voters care about.

All you can do is scare voters, namely women and minorities.

You’re not running on foreign policy, or immigration, or crime, or pretty much everything the voters care about.

The Border Czar doesn’t stand a chance.

Seriously, though, why's the GOP running that old fart who babbles about airports during the Revolutionary War and windmill cancer? = CO

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Keep telling you but you will not hear. Security and Prosperity.

Notice how NOW age is an “issue”? LOL at him and the other bots on the farm.

CO, "Seriously, though, why's the GOP running that old fart who babbles about airports during the Revolutionary War and windmill cancer?"

Trump is the oldest nominee in U.S. history and he looks like it and he sounds like it.

Isn't it interesting how the MAGA mind can be so easily molded and remolded?...

"A sitting president under felony indictment would create a constitutional crisis that would grind the government to a halt. She has no right to be running, you know that. No right." -Sundowning Grandpa & rapist Donald Trump

The MAGA crowd goes wild, Lock Her Up! Lock Her Up!

"Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing." -George Orwell, 1984

Bansky: "Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing." -George Orwell, 1984

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Saw this Orwell 1984 quote yesterday, it fits....

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

And each and every lib here did what they were told. From the Chinese bots to the merely delusional, they all fell into line.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - George Orwell, 1984.


And each and every lib here did what they were told. From the Chinese bots to the merely delusional, they all fell into line. - Dope

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Remember how sincere KJP and the Bidden inner circle sounded when all were saying how Joe ran rings around them in private. Do you think they had actually transcended to that higher plane of suspending disbelief that Orwell forewarned?

Or were they all simply lying?

I'll go with lying...

I.
Told.
You.
So.

Sorry, I have to give Albaby credit on this one. He posed it going 4 ways, and this was the least chaotic way, and we have a good chance of keeping our down ballot. Harris has legitimacy, she's been primaried. The GOP was going to file lawsuits, etc., probably still is. Now we have 104-5 days to put Harris over the top. And I keep getting hit for donations to 5 Senatorial races, some of whom I recognized.

This is welcome.

Dope:The home of anti-semitism and real misogyny is the democrat party. Own it.
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Sigh. Still jumpin' that shark.

For most folks, shark week was over a week ago.

bighairymike: Keep telling you but you will not hear. Security and Prosperity.


Umm, the Biden administration rebuilt and expanded the single most successful military and political alliance in Western civilization. And has financially and militarily crippled Russia for less than 5% of our defense budget without putting a single American in harm's way.

Crime rates have fallen dramatically and the murder rate in the lowest since the 1960s. In 2020 under Trump, the murder rate rose to the highest level since 1997.

Everyone in America who wants to work can find a job. The unemployment rate is 4.1% and was under 4.0% for the longest stretch since the Vietnam War. Biden and Harris added nearly 16 million jobs, a record for a four-year cycle.

Trump left office with a unemployment rate of 6.3% and lost 2.9 million jobs, the first net job loss since Hoover.

The first half of 2020 was the busiest ever for bankruptcy filings, led by a record number of retailers, restaurants and oil and gas companies seeking Chapter 11 protection. Hertz, retailers Neiman Marcus, J.C. Penney, Brooks Brothers and J. Crew and oil and gas firms including Chesapeake Energy, McDermott International and Whiting Petroleum went belly up. More than 400 major companies went bankrupt through Aug. 9, 2020.

Evidently your idea of prosperity was not being able to buy toilet paper, paper towels, diapers, canned goods, household appliances, flour, yeast, poultry, bicycles, and cars.

Umm, the Biden administration rebuilt and expanded the single most successful military and political alliance in Western civilization. And has financially and militarily crippled Russia for less than 5% of our defense budget without putting a single American in harm's way.

You mean WOKE military and the commander in chief put 13 Americans in deaths way.

Remember Afghanistan!

LurkerMom: Remember Afghanistan!

Remember, Trump is the oldest candidate to ever run for the presidency, a rapist, a felon, a man who assembled a mob and sent them to attack the Capitol, tried to have his own vice president hanged, slurs his words, called American war dead suckers and losers, took dozens of the nation's most guarded top secret documents, quotes Hitler, and will implement Project 2025.

BTW, 65 American service members died during the Trump administration but evidently you don't give a squat abut them.

LurkerMom: Remember Afghanistan!

You support a criminal and a deeply corrupt man.

I challenge you to try to pay attention only to the most objective news sources for one week. But you can't, can you? You live on the weird mix of rage and endorphins you get from your right wing media masters.

You're pathetic.

Remember, Trump is the oldest candidate to ever run for the presidency, a rapist, a felon, a man who assembled a mob and sent them to attack the Capitol, tried to have his own vice president hanged, slurs his words, called American war dead suckers and losers, took dozens of the nation's most guarded top secret documents, quotes Hitler, and will implement Project 2025.

That’s okay, I forgive President Trump for all his trespasses.

BTW, 65 American service members died during the Trump administration but evidently you don't give a squat abut them.

2,499 U.S. soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq under President Obama and
Vice President Biden.

You're pathetic.

Old man ges..still the playground bully. Attack the poster because you don’t have the brains
to attack the content of a post.

POTUS can't "protect abortion". That's a legislative matter.

Again, being too literal. I would *absolutely* campaign on abortion rights. Remind voters that Trump is very satisfied that his Supreme Court picks took away women’s rights. “Imagine what the next ones will do!” Remind people that Kamala is a sex-crime Prosecutor. Call him “Rapist in Chief” a few times and get under his skin. Remind people that Vance was loudly in favor of a national abortion ban until a couple weeks ago when he cravenly decided to hitch onto Trump’s behind.

My personal preference would be Pete, because he’s really smart and well spoken, but I’m pretty OK with Gretchen. She’s from Michigan, a swing state where the Democrats need help and where she’s popular, Dems having just climbed out of the hole there recently. A double female ticket would be a novelty, certainly, but it would galvanize women, and make the contest clear and distinct: two intelligent women versus two crazy MAGA men. I see that as a distinction I could sell. You would re-solidify the black vote, overwhelmingly take the youth and women vote, and concede the angry old rural men vote. Trump would peel off some Hispanics, but he’s already doing that with the macho-nacho thing.

“Abortion” is a big time winning issue for Democrats. Don’t pretend it shouldn’t exist. It does. The President appoints USSC justices. That’s enough to make it big.

all were saying how Joe ran rings around them in private.....
I'll go with lying...

Of course you will.

In private he was, and is, completely lucid and able to make good decisions, so they were not lying.

Even if he was temporarily on oxygen, steroids, regeneron, etc as Trump was for Covid, and they said what they said, a few things covering for that situation would not be: bigoted, racist, malicious, bullying, treasonous, fear/hate/violence spreading.

Yeah...the Dems were the ones chanting "you will not replace us" while carrying tiki torches.

Oh, wait...

Keep telling you but you will not hear. Security and Prosperity.

Keep telling you, but YOU will not hear: Trump provided neither.

"Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing." -George Orwell, 1984

This.

And that's exactly what's happening. "Facts" are whatever the right-wing "media" [cough] says it is, even if it isn't.

“The past was alterable. The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.”
― George Orwell, 1984

>>Keep telling you but you will not hear. Security and Prosperity.<<

Keep telling you, but YOU will not hear: Trump provided neither. - 1pg

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So we assess candidates and the future prospects differently. Some might even say we disagree. I'm OK with that. Thanks for not calling me names.

Thanks for not calling me names.

I don't do that. I may call a movement (e.g. MAGA) names, but not individuals. Doesn't encourage discussion if we are flinging invectives at each other. I also won't insinuate that you are on drugs, or should be medicated, as others have done to me. Again, hard to discuss things.

As for "future prospects", we actually have the convict Trump's record to refer to. He ballooned the deficit, did nothing on the border -that was legal-, handled COVID poorly, strained our relationships with our allies**, was reluctant to stop an insurrection, denigrated our military and intelligence services...the list is really long. None of that is "security and prosperity". Biden has reversed most of that damage, and things are going pretty smoothly right now.

Harris likely would continue many of those policies, but I don't recall now what her campaign issues were in the primaries four years ago. I'm sure we'll hear about it in the coming days. Not that it will matter much to me since I will NOT(!!!) vote for a corrupt, racist, rapist, convicted felon suffering from dementia, who quite literally is a moron (i.e. not very intelligent) even prior to his dementia onset, easily manipulated by people praising him.




**I just read recently that NATO leaders are planning a "US abandons us" scenario in case convict Trump wins. That speaks volumes about their expectations.

"Keep telling you but you will not hear. Security and Prosperity." ~Guy who failed economics class

LOL He ran the American economy straight into the ground...

Trump's job creation record was the worst of any American president on record, no other modern president
has left the U.S. with a smaller workforce than it had when they took office.
All while adding $8 trillion in new debt in just 4 years.

No wonder many repubicans think he's a total joke...

"I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical a**hole like Nixon or that he's America's Hitler. How's that for discouraging?" ~JD Vance (His own Vice President)

"Donald is cruel, all he wants to do is appeal to his base. He has no principles. None. None. And his base, I mean my God,
if you were a religious person, you want to help people. Not do this.
His go---mned tweeting and lying, oh my god. I’m talking too freely, but you know. The changing stories. The lack of preparation. The lying. Holy shit." ~Maryanne Trump (His own Sister!)

"The amount he's added to the national debt is indecent." ~Mike Pompeo

"I hate Trump passionately!" ~Tucker Carlson

"He's a &@#$ing moron!" ~Rex Tillerson

"We're on the verge of having someone take over the conservative movement who is a con artist." ~Marco Rubio

"Trump is utterly amoral. A serial philanderer." ~Ted Cruz

"You know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell." ~Linsey Graham

"I think everybody has made their own assessment of President Trump’s character, and so far as I know, you don’t pay someone $130,000 not to have sex with you." ~Mitt Romney

Trump's job creation record was the worst of any American president on record, no other modern president
has left the U.S. with a smaller workforce than it had when they took office.

This is where, I think, Democrats miss the point.

Covid happened. Covid negatively affected the economy. DJT is responsible for the existence of Covid, and no set of policy prescriptions that Trump could have implemented (or refrained from implementing) could have prevented Covid from having an enormous negative effect on on things like the workforce. Because Covid had a devastating effect on every economy in the world.

So most voters - correctly - assess Trump's economic record up through the end of 2019 or early 2020 - and don't ding him for the effects of Covid that were outside of his control.

From January 2017 to January 2020, the U.S. economy added 4.7 million jobs - rising from 159.6 million to 164.3 million. It's currently about 168 million.

The economy was doing pretty well under Trump before Covid hit - and Trump's not to blame for the impact of Covid on the economy. There's lots of things that Trump "owns" about the Covid response, but the fact that the labor force declined a lot during that time isn't one of them - because that happened everywhere, and would have happened no matter who was President.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CLF16OV

DJT is responsible for the existence of Covid

OCD: obviously, DJT is not responsible for the existence of Covid.

So most voters - correctly - assess Trump's economic record up through the end of 2019 or early 2020 - and don't ding him for the effects of Covid that were outside of his control.

But they blame Biden for inflation, which was also outside his control. That’s a weird double standard you’re promoting there.

But they blame Biden for inflation, which was also outside his control. That’s a weird double standard you’re promoting there.

It's true that most voters vastly overestimate the degree to which the President has any control - or even influence - over the economy. Voters typically think of a President's "economic record" as being the stuff that happened during their term, even though the President doesn't really cause or control most of it.

But voters (I think) intuit that something like a once-in-a-century pandemic (like Covid) is so obviously not the fault of the President that they don't include it as part of his economic record. Trump obviously didn't cause Covid in a way that's far more obvious than Biden not causing inflation - especially since economists generally believe that economic policies can contribute somewhat to inflationary pressures.

I'm not promoting that double standard - I simply believe that voters will apply that double standard. They'll blame Biden for inflation because they always blame Presidents for economic conditions that happen during their term in ordinary circumstances. They won't blame Trump for the economic effects of Covid because they understand that Trump didn't cause those economic effects. It's not fair, but pointing to January 20-January 20 figures for Trump isn't going to be a very effective message, because the Trump economy was actually pretty decent up through Q4 2019.

"So most voters (who failed economics class or are in a cult) assess Trump's economic record up through the end of 2019 or early 2020 - and don't ding him for the effects of Covid that were outside of his control." ~guy who failed economics class and is in a cult

So GW Bush had a wonderful economy, if we don't "ding" him for the effects of the Financial Crisis that were outside of his control.

And Herbert Hoover had a wonderful economy, if we don't "ding" him for the effects of the Great Depression that were outside of his control.

Because as soon as the economy goes south under a Republican President we stop counting.

How about that record setting $8 Trillion Trump added to the national debt, do we stop counting after $1 Trillion?

guy who failed economics class and is in a cult

Hey - I didn't fail economics class! And I think Trump is vile and loathsome and would happily vote for anyone other than him.

But I think if you went out to voters and said, "Boy, Trump is really bad on economic matters because the U.S. workforce lost six million jobs between February and May of 2020. What kind of bad President does that to their economy?" the voters will almost certainly think you're being foolish. Because the voters know that what happened to the job market between February and May of 2020 had nothing to do with Donald Trump or his economic policies. In a way that they don't know about W and the Great Recession (or Hoover and the Great Depression) - because those sorts of economic crises can be affected (though not actually caused) by the economic policies of the U.S.

How about that record setting $8 Trillion Trump added to the national debt, do we stop counting after $1 Trillion?

Nope. I'm not excusing Trump for his economic policies - just pointing out that the reason voters trust Trump on the economy more than Democrats is because during the pre-Covid part of his Administration, the economy was doing pretty well. Debt was high, but voters generally like running debts to pay for current goodies.

But voters (I think) intuit that something like a once-in-a-century pandemic (like Covid) is so obviously not the fault of the President that they don't include it as part of his economic record. Trump obviously didn't cause Covid in a way that's far more obvious than Biden not causing inflation - especially since economists generally believe that economic policies can contribute somewhat to inflationary pressures.

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Which proves most voters are morons. If the average voter can appreciate the economic damage a once in one hundred year pandemic can do to an economy and society...

...but NOT simultaneously comprehend that the same economic stress just acknowledged then ignored with the wave of a hand is capable of producing inflation through the instant "square wave" impact on supply and demand in a world economy dependent on global shipping, then the average voter is in fact a moron.

Also, the presence or absence of ANY individual in the White House during the COVID outbreak was never going to dictate whether the country somehow magically escaped ANY cases or even made the difference between zero and ten thousand deaths or between fifty and one hundred and fifty thousand deaths. However, Trump's personal unwillingness to grasp the exponential spread of the disease led to a completely haphazard national response strategy in the early weeks before more aggressive international travel restrictions were imposed.

Remember the Italian cruise ship that incurred an outbreak in the first few weeks? The cruise that ended with an entire planeload of Americans BOARDING a CHARTERED plane with hints of symptoms in Italy, and LANDING in America with full-blown symptoms? Passengers who were allowed to traverse inbound US Customs like ANY other incoming international passengers, then fly directly to multiple hub airports across the country? That single plane load of roughly 400 Americans who, by landing, were likely 100% infected literally injected the virus into every major metropolitan area within 24 hours, on March 20, 2020, before any lockdowns had begun.

A more coherent national response strategy, directed by a White House focused on public safety rather than Presidential perceptions of political concerns, might have quarantined those passengers prior to Customs and kept literally 30-40 "seeds" from widening the spread throughout the country. How crucial could such a time shift have been to the overall impact in the US? Any DELAY in incurring higher rates of infection would have DELAYED the point at which higher volumes of severe patients overwhelmed hospitals and exhausted supplies required to protect patients and staff. More importantly, delaying the mathematical surge by a month or two would have shifted more of that wave into the period where vaccines were widely available, beginning in February 2021. Remember, America had more people die of COVID after vaccines were available than in the pre-vaccine portion of the cycle.

Is Trump responsible for the COVID virus? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Is Trump uniquely responsible for its impact of death on the United States? ABSOLUTELY.


WTH

OCD: obviously, DJT is not responsible for the existence of Covid.

No one I am aware of thinks Trump was responsible for the existence of Covid.

However, he is responsible for the response to Covid. And his response, by any measure, was abysmal.

Unless you are excited by the prospect of taking horse medicine or injecting bleach or sticking a light bulb up your anus.

Keep telling you but you will not hear. Security and Prosperity.

Keep telling you, but YOU will not hear: Trump provided neither.


Poorguy.... I think he's telling you he's one of the gullible's who willingly gobbles the lies, again, despite strong evidence that they will just be lies again.

"But they blame Biden for inflation, which was also outside his control. That’s a weird double standard you’re promoting there."

Sure is, when gas prices peaked in 2022 MAGA Ding-dongs in my area actually put stickers on gas pumps that read, "Joe Biden Did This."

As if the President controls all the prices of commodities on the planet. Facepalm...

However, he is responsible for the response to Covid. And his response, by any measure, was abysmal.

Unless you are excited by the prospect of taking horse medicine or injecting bleach or sticking a light bulb up your anus.

I agree he is responsible for the response to Covid, and that it was abysmal in terms of public health.

But those abysmal responses had terrible public health impacts. They weren't the reason why the labor force collapsed between February and May of 2020.

**I just read recently that NATO leaders are planning a "US abandons us" scenario in case convict Trump wins. That speaks volumes about their expectations. - 1pg

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Better if they would just meet their spending commitments, then Trump would not be on their ass.

DJT is responsible for the existence of Covid - 1pg

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I can picture Trump in a crisp white level four bio-containment suit, emblazoned with TRUMP in big Gold letters across the back, laboring away in a Wuhan lab, orange hair more pungent than usual against the white everywhere lab environment. We listen carefully as he speaks through the microphone from inside.... "Just look at this", pointing to the projection from on the scanning electron microscope, "it's beautiful, this is the best virus ever, nobody but Trump could create such a magnificent virus, a perfect virus, the spike proteins form a little crown around the nucleus, it's the King of viruses....."

Unless you are excited by the prospect of taking horse medicine or injecting bleach or sticking a light bulb up your anus. - AW

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Better if they would just meet their spending commitments, then Trump would not be on their ass.

This year, 2024, NATO countries will be spending over 2% of their GDP supporting NATO, which is ‘the spending commitment.”

Let’s see what Trump has to say about NATO in light of that:

“Let Russia do whatever the hell it wants”

“Look if they’re not going to pay we’re not going to protect”

“We should make Ukraine take a loan. Why would you just hand it over to them?”


I think your information, not to mention your thinking, is a little out of date.

I think your information, not to mention your thinking, is a little out of date. - GH

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Perhaps. I could say you are taking Trump a much too literally <and leaving out context>. I submit he will not abandon NATO but continue to hound them to increase their defense spending and cut their energy dependencies on Russia. All Trumps bluster is intended to keep the pressure on and to remind them the USA is no longer anyones piggy bank.

The dems have a different chant. “From the river to…”

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A 100 watt incandescent could cause some serious burns.

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