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Biden family received more than $27 million from foreign sources

The committee's investigation found Hunter Biden and other family members received over $27 million from foreign sources. These funds were often obscured in "shell companies" to hide their true origins, the committee says. Some of the funds sent from China, for example, ended up directly in Joe Biden's bank account.

As part of the $27 million, Hunter Biden received significant compensation from several foreign ventures and positions.

$27 million.

2 questions:

How come you didn’t post a link to the article you got this information from?

How many $27 millions does it take to equal the $2 billion Jared got?

Boy, it's a good thing that Biden isn't running any more.

Remind me again, how much has Trump and his family raked in from his time as President? Was it more or less than Biden's alleged total?

Certainly, it must be more. After all, Trump is the best at everything, including grifting.

--Peter

Dope1: Biden family received more than $27 million from foreign sources...

Um, quoting from an article (link below) on this bullsh!t:

The investigators put the total at $27 million, according to the bank records they received. But the investigators failed to turn up evidence that Biden himself received money from those companies or participated in the foreign business deals beyond the occasions when Hunter Biden called him on speakerphone to exchange pleasantries while in the company of foreign business associates or when he saw them at his son’s birthday dinner.

They got nothing.

For example:

One of the examples the committees cite is the case of Russian businesswoman Yelena Baturina, the wife of former Moscow Mayor Yury Luzkhkov, who invested $3.5 million with Hunter Biden’s business partner Devon Archer through a company that had some ties to Hunter Biden in 2014. The investment was finalized after Hunter Biden’s birthday dinner at Café Milano in Washington, D.C., which Baturina attended and Joe Biden, then the vice president, dropped by. Archer described the conversation in an interview with the Oversight Committee last year as being about “the world, I guess, and the weather, and then everybody — everybody left.”

Wow, what outrageous influence peddling, asking about the weather.

Maybe you should be outraged by a current presidential candidate in a multi-million dollar business relationship with Saudi Bonesaw Arabia through LIV golf. Or his son-in-law and daughter getting $2 BILLION from the same nation while he's trying to negotiate a resort in Albania.

Or, gee, you might express your outrage at Trump walking off with dozens of the nation's most highly classified intelligence documents and leaving them in a unlocked toilet but you've yet to say a word about that.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gop-led-...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/09/sports/golf/liv...

Struck a nerve on this one!
$27M. That's what Joe earned by merely hopping on calls. I get that you want to minimize it but that's how one proves one has access to important people.

As much as you need to deflect, the corruption is there.

The committee's investigation found Hunter Biden and other family members received over $27 million from foreign sources.

Which means that they had no evidence that Joe Biden received any money from foreign sources. Otherwise that sentence would have read that "Joe Biden and other family members received...." You end up with the circumlocution that some of the funds ended up in his bank account, which is undoubtedly a deliberately obscure reference to the loan repayment crafted to make it seem like Joe received money from a foreign source, even though he didn't.

so assuming that "The Big Guy" is meant to refer to Joe Biden, it's $0 for The Big Guy. $27 million for Hunter Biden and others. Which proves that if you pretend to people that you're granting any type of meaningful access to the President, you can monetize that....but not that Joe Biden did anything wrong.

so assuming that "The Big Guy" is meant to refer to Joe Biden, it's $0 for The Big Guy. $27 million for Hunter Biden and others.

You're forgetting the text and calls where Hunter complains about giving The Big Guy his cut.

It's all academic now anyway; he's not running.

But you folks at least have to admit this is massive unseemly at a minimum. If no one on the left can do that, then no one on the left has any high ground to complain about Trump.

How many $27 millions does it take to equal the $2 billion Jared got?

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Besides the magnitude, there is an important difference in the two pots of money that invalidates your comparison. Can you figure out what it is?

You're forgetting the text and calls where Hunter complains about giving The Big Guy his cut.

It's all academic now anyway; he's not running.

But you folks at least have to admit this is massive unseemly at a minimum.

Not forgetting at all. Hunter Biden has to maintain appearances that his father is involved - else the people he's getting this money from might realize that Hunter isn't actually delivering anything.

Of course it's unseemly. Hunter's being a real sleazeball - trading on the family name, making himself seem important and influential and worth something because of who his father is. In reality, he brought nothing to the table. But his last name made him seem credible and worth hiring.

In reality, he brought nothing to the table.

Hmm.
The committee cited evidence that Biden "actively participated" in an influence-peddling conspiracy by attending dinners with his family's foreign associates and speaking to them over the phone. These interactions were documented by email evidence and testimony from several of Hunter Biden's ex-business partners, including Devon Archer and Jason Galanis.

The committees also said evidence shows Hunter Biden used his father's official position as vice president to "garner favorable outcomes in foreign business dealings and legal proceedings."

Doesn't seem like nothing...

bighairymike: Besides the magnitude, there is an important difference in the two pots of money that invalidates your comparison. Can you figure out what it is?

Pick me. Pick me.

Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul and cut up into pieces before disappearing forever. Since that may not have been worth the full two billion, Kushner also reportedly outed dissidents to Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman who said that Kushner was "in his pocket."

Hope this helps.

Hope this helps. = CO

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Not at all.

Besides the magnitude, there is an important difference in the two pots of money that invalidates your comparison. Can you figure out what it is?

It demonstrates that influence peddling has been going on for as long as there has been power, and the the Bidens are amateurs compared to the Trump clan by an order of magnitude.

I think it’s fair to say that Trump is the best, the very best, there is no one like him, no one approaching him, and if you ask anyone they’ll tell you: he’s the very best. He is certainly at the top of the heap, and puts the Biden crime family to shame in the grifting department.

I remember when it was a scandal that Jimmy Carter’s younger brother, or cousin or something was trying to sell “Billy Beer” based on the name that inhabited the White House at the time. Yeah, when it comes to using the name for profit, Democrats are strictly amateur. I hope they get better. Maybe another 4 years of Democratic rule will help?

Doesn't seem like nothing...

Because that's spin. His "active participation" was Hunter putting his dad on a speakerphone and exchanging pleasantries with his son. And while Hunter used the fact that his father held that official position in his business dealings, there's no evidence that his father ever did anything in his official capacity. IOW, Hunter used the fact that people knew his dad was VP to kick open doors for himself...not that his father kicked open any doors for himself.

And again, the report doesn't prove - or even actually say - that there was $27 million "for The Big Guy." Just that $27 million was paid to other Bidens over the years. Unseemly, yes, for the kids to portray their relationship with their father as something other than personal. But nothing that Joe Biden did wrong.

its hilarious to see rightwing media torn between 2 groups of MAGA :

A. the group that has suddenly lost interest in 'law & order' for hunter.

B. the dumber group (e.g., don) that thinks anti-biden is still a winning strategy, but can still cough up some clicks, ratings, publicity.

His "active participation" was Hunter putting his dad on a speakerphone and exchanging pleasantries with his son.

Except for this kind of active participation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/15...

Hopefully past and present Ruling Class are paying attention.

Future Trumos, future Bushes, it's even easier to make money now.

I applaud Biden for this, and I am appalled that Trump didn't do more. Who takes documents - and doesn't sell them.

Besides the magnitude, there is an important difference in the two pots of money that invalidates your comparison. Can you figure out what it is?

One is a smear campaign to justify that the other is OK.

In reality, if true (something I am not agreeing with yet) both are bad and are not to be excused. Fortunately, one of the alleged perpetrators has dropped out of the race. The other has much more solid evidence against him. And hasn't dropped out.

Keep your eye on the ball, folks. This is just a false equivalence campaign that attempts to justify Trump's illegalities. It's just like the attempts to impeach Biden (to create a false equivalency), or to pretend that unfortunate loss of soldiers during the Afghanistan withdrawal is just as disrespectful as Trump's calling soldiers who gave their life for their country "losers".

It's all an attempt to smear others to make it look like Trump's obvious problems don't look as bad in comparison. And that's just not true.

Just like the attempt here to disclaim the dollar differences. Trump's family provably took an order of magnitude more money from foreign governments than Biden's family is alleged to have taken. You can't just ignore that difference. It's material and can't be ignored.

--Peter

Except for this kind of active participation:

Except, again, there's no evidence at all that those efforts had anything to do with Hunter Biden or his businesses, rather than just implementing U.S. policy in Ukraine.

And is there any evidence that $27 million went to Joe Biden, rather than Hunter or other family members? If not, you might want to revise your thread title...

Except, again, there's no evidence at all that those efforts had anything to do with Hunter Biden or his businesses, rather than just implementing U.S. policy in Ukraine.

The Big Guy is very good at timing and at Plausible Deniability.

The Big Guy is very good at timing and at Plausible Deniability.

Or more accurately, Not Doing Anything Wrong.

Or more accurately, Not Doing Anything Wrong.

That's not what the committee is saying. They found a number of offenses especially during his time as VP. Since he was basically asleep on the beach in Delaware and/or watching Matlock during most of his Presidency, maybe they haven't found anything there.

That's not what the committee is saying. They found a number of offenses especially during his time as VP.

No, that's not what they were saying. They're saying they found a lot of things that they can describe in words that make it sound like they are offenses, if you don't pay attention to the specific phrasing they're using.

They're doing that because it is (or rather, was) very important for them to portray Biden as if he had actually committed crimes, so that Trump's own criminality wouldn't be a bridge too far for Republicans. Now that he's not the candidate, all that work in innuendo, clever phraseology, and circumlocution is more or less wasted. It's embarrassing that they spent all that time and cannot clearly and unambiguously state an instance where Joe Biden used his job to do something because Hunter asked him to, which is why this report is being dumped on a Monday where it will get lost in the news cycle because the DNC is starting tonight.

The true believers will still cling to it as supporting their fever dreams of Joe Biden corruption, but in the end all the investigations ended up a damp squib. So much so that you have to misstate their findings and claim "$27 million for the Big Guy," when that's utterly false.

No, that's not what they were saying. They're saying they found a lot of things that they can describe in words that make it sound like they are offenses, if you don't pay attention to the specific phrasing they're using.

You have your own party to thank. The democrats so watered down the impeachment thresholds so as to reduce the burden of proof. I warned you folks at the time that impeachment was a serious business and to not play around with it but the Schumer and company went ahead anyway. Now if a President shows up with lettuce stuck to his/her teeth we can expect an impeachment.

The true believers will still cling to it as supporting their fever dreams of Joe Biden corruption

Please. Joe Biden's family has been trading on his family name for decades. Denying that and referring to it as "fever dreams" ignores mountains of testimony from Hunter's business partners and Hunter's own words.

You may believe what you want, but the facts say there is plenty of There there.

utterly false.

That's dope's stock in trade. Most things he utters are utterly false.

In my multi-times per day reminder, this is always an attempt to create a false equivalency between Trump's undeniable bad things, and Biden or Harris or Democrats in general simply being accused - typically without evidence - of bad things.

Its the way these folks solve the cognitive dissonance of voting for a liar, thief, rapist, fraudster, and convicted felon in spite of those documented shortcomings.

--Peter

Now if a President shows up with lettuce stuck to his/her teeth we can expect an impeachment.

Except there wasn't an impeachment. Right? They didn't even recommend impeachment. Didn't even hit the House floor. Never got a vote, and wouldn't have passed a vote if it had. If the President hasn't done anything for which there's evidence of impeachable activity, there's not going to be an impeachment.

Please. Joe Biden's family has been trading on his family name for decades. Denying that and referring to it as "fever dreams" ignores mountains of testimony from Hunter's business partners and Hunter's own words.

There it is again. Shifting from "Joe Biden" to "Joe Biden's family." Like I said, there's nothing but fever dreams of Joe Biden corruption, so those who desperately want to believe that he was corrupt have to resort to circuitous phraseology to make it seem like the sins of Hunter Biden are also the sins of his father. There's not "mountains of testimony" from any of those folks that Joe Biden was using the power of his office to help Hunter....just that Hunter was walking around trying to create the impression that his relationship with his dad brought something to the table.

But because Hunter wasn't the VP, it's always the "Biden family" and not "Joe Biden" - and switching the facts that relate to the former as if they were about the latter. As shown - again - in your thread title, where you mischaracterize the fact that other people received $27 million as if it was Joe Biden that got the $27 million.

Except there wasn't an impeachment. Right? They didn't even recommend impeachment.

Hmm? There is an impeachment committee.

There it is again. Shifting from "Joe Biden" to "Joe Biden's family.

Is he not somehow part of the family? How odd. And how else would the supremely qualified Hunter Biden be able to peddle influence if not through his father?

Like I said, there's nothing but fever dreams of Joe Biden corruption,

Other than testimony from those involved, you mean. As well as Biden himself bragging on camera. Son of a bitch. He was fired.


As shown - again - in your thread title, where you mischaracterize the fact that other people received $27 million as if it was Joe Biden that got the $27 million.

LOL. Tell me you haven't followed the entire saga without telling me you haven't followed the entire saga.

Kushner also reportedly outed dissidents to Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman who said that Kushner was "in his pocket."

Now that's interesting. I forgot about the outed dissidents, is that reasonably certain?

"Besides the magnitude, there is an important difference in the two pots of money that invalidates your comparison. Can you figure out what it is?" - BHM

LOL

The difference isn't what you think it is. It is amazing the pretzels you will twist yourself into in order to justify the Trump graft.

Why don't you try for the whole bag of pretzels and spin yourself silly trying to justify foreign countries renting (and not using) whole floors of the Trump hotel, or foreign countries paying sums of money for membership at Mar-A-Lago, or lots of foreigners overpaying for condos at his properties?

Hmm? There is an impeachment committee.

Yes. And it did not recommend impeachment. It just issued this report, but did not take the step of recommending to the full House that the President be impeached. Because it would have compounded the embarrassment when the House did not follow that recommendation.

Is he not somehow part of the family? How odd. And how else would the supremely qualified Hunter Biden be able to peddle influence if not through his father?

Dope, you're better than that. Joe Biden is a member of his family, but he is not the only member of his family. So you can't switch from "This is a thing that the Biden family has done" to "This is a thing that Joe Biden has done," because the thing might have been done by a different member of his family. And it's very easy for Hunter Biden to have peddled the appearance of influence simply by being related to his father, without having peddled any actual influence - because he never got (and never would have been able to get) his father to use the powers of his office for him.

LOL. Tell me you haven't followed the entire saga without telling me you haven't followed the entire saga.

LOL. Tell me you can't answer a question without answering the question.

Did Joe Biden receive $27 million? Or did other members of Joe Biden's family receive $27 million.

It just issued this report, but did not take the step of recommending to the full House that the President be impeached.

What would be the point? Biden is leaving office anyway, regardless of the election outcome.

Joe Biden is a member of his family, but he is not the only member of his family. So you can't switch from "This is a thing that the Biden family has done" to "This is a thing that Joe Biden has done," because the thing might have been done by a different member of his family.

Joe Biden's position and willingness to appear on these phone calls with his son's business partners enables all of Hunter's "activities". Full stop.

Without Joe, does Hunter have an influencing peddling business? Of course not.

You're making a supposition that Hunter has zero actual influence...I find that highly unlikely given that he's now assumed a role as more or less a high ranking Presidential advisor.

Money was deposited in Biden's bank account, to directly answer your question.

Joe Biden's position and willingness to appear on these phone calls with his son's business partners enables all of Hunter's "activities".

He answered the phone when his son called, and didn't discuss anything but social pleasantries and chit chat. You know - like a human being. Who doesn't refuse to talk to his son. So while Hunter might have leveraged that into creating the unseemly business he did, but doesn't involve any wrongdoing by Biden.

Money was deposited in Biden's bank account, to directly answer your question.

Was it $27 million? Was it in repayment of a loan that Biden made (ie. no more money going in than out)?

There's a reason these statements use such convoluted phrasing with the passive voice, like "money was deposited in Biden's bank account," rather than a more direct claim that "Joe Biden was paid by foreign companies." Because the latter isn't true, but if you say the former you can get people who aren't paying attention to think that you've said the latter.

"Besides the magnitude, there is an important difference in the two pots of money that invalidates your comparison. Can you figure out what it is?" - BHM

LOL

The difference isn't what you think it is. It is amazing the pretzels you will twist yourself into in order to justify the Trump graft.

Why don't you try for the whole bag of pretzels and spin yourself silly trying to justify foreign countries renting (and not using) whole floors of the Trump hotel, or foreign countries paying sums of money for membership at Mar-A-Lago, or lots of foreigners overpaying for condos at his properties? - umm

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You could have just said, No, I can't figure out the difference instead of launching into a worn out, unrelated anti-trump screed.

The parties whose payments were being are the Biden family and Jared Kushner. Not Trump, Not the Saudis, Not Mar-A-Lago. Simply, two piles of money, $27M and $2B, what makes them different?

$27 Million for The Big Guy

Dope seems to be parallel tracking trump's descent into ludicrous disregard for facts; lying for fun.


Ain''t no $27 million for the big guy.

He answered the phone when his son called, and didn't discuss anything but social pleasantries and chit chat.

"Hi, Dad! I'm here with all my business buddies and we thought we would give you a call! I know you're the sitting vice President and kinda busy and all!"

Dude. Really.

If the Republicans had a scintilla of evidence that Biden did something illegal, they would have impeached him.

The fact that Republicans have not impeached Biden tells you everything you need to know, and that is that this is a big fat nothing burger.

More lies to con their base and to keep soaking them for money.

Andy McCarthy calls the report 'damning':

https://nypost.com/2024/08/19/opinion/damning-impe...

It also gave us Hunter’s 2017 WhatsApp shakedown of a CEFC exec — explaining: “I am sitting here with my father” wondering why the “commitment” hasn’t been “fulfilled,” and “I will make certain between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction.”

Within days, the floodgates opened with $5 million — on top of millions already paid — flowing into the Biden family coffers.

Comer’s committee traces the money trail from Hunter, to Joe’s brother Jim, to Joe Biden himself.

Comer’s committee traces the money trail from Hunter, to Joe’s brother Jim, to Joe Biden himself.

Then why haven’t the Republicans impeached Biden?

Because it’s complete nonsense.

"You could have just said, No, I can't figure out the difference instead of launching into a worn out, unrelated anti-trump screed."

But that wouldn't be true. I can figure out the subtle differences. I also do not ignore the striking similarities, like you are.

if you are going to respond, just answer one question: Does Kushner get the loan for his building if he wasn't the son in law of Trump and working at the White House?

Kushner and Hunter

George and Jeb.

Bill and Hill.

So many others.


They ALL got you. They ALL stuck it to you.

I applaud them all and hope they really get going on the good stuff.

Maybe even the most profitable stuff that leads to a draft again

Does Kushner get the loan for his building if he wasn't the son in law of Trump and working at the White House? - Umm

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We are comparing the $27M Biden Family Pot o' money to the Kushner $2B pile of money. Are you claiming that Kushners $2B was a loan for some building? That would be some building.

"Hi, Dad! I'm here with all my business buddies and we thought we would give you a call! I know you're the sitting vice President and kinda busy and all!"

Dude. Really.

You're going to be too busy for your only living son? Dude. Really.

It also gave us Hunter’s 2017 WhatsApp shakedown of a CEFC exec — explaining: “I am sitting here with my father” wondering why the “commitment” hasn’t been “fulfilled,” and “I will make certain between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction.”

Within days, the floodgates opened with $5 million — on top of millions already paid — flowing into the Biden family coffers.

Comer’s committee traces the money trail from Hunter, to Joe’s brother Jim, to Joe Biden himself.

Please take it to a court, or impeach him. The money goes right to him per you, Dope, correct? Then prove it and convict or impeach him.

You can't and you know why? It's because the money doesn't go right to him. But in Dope world innuendo suffices.

"Hi, Dad! I'm here with all my business buddies and we thought we would give you a call! I know you're the sitting vice President and kinda busy and all!"

Dude. Really.

Yeah, really. Of course the VP is really busy, and I'm sure that his personal calls with his son are scheduled on his calendar (as I'm sure all his personal calls are). But Joe Biden can't control if his son chooses to have that call with his business buddies, and he's not going to just hang up on him if he does. All he can do, and all he is required to do, is keep the conversation personal and not business.

Dope1: Andy McCarthy calls the report 'damning'...

First, that's an op-ed. Second, Andy McCarthy's an idiot. Third, in a letter to Rep. Jason Smith, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, Hunter Biden's lawyer explained that the idiots on the committee were being duped by a clearly fake message:

The screenshots of the message as tweeted by Smith “both include a photo of Mr. Biden not from 2017 but from the White House Easter Egg roll in April 2022 (long after the purported message was sent); both images portray the message in a blue bubble, when WhatsApp messages are in green; one image super-imposed the Chinese flag for the contact ID, when surely that was not how a text or contact was kept; and one purports to be a screenshot with the '. . .' of someone composing a text (as in Apple’s iMessage) when that does not happen on WhatsApp.”

“In short, the images you circulated online are complete fakes.”

Again, as albaby1 has repeatedly explained: if the committee had one single shred of actual evidence of criminal behavior by president Biden they would file articles of impeachment. They don't, so they won't.

BTW, have you found the backbone yet to condemn DonOLD's mishandling of more then 100 highly classified documents -- including sharing a classified plan of a U.S. attack on Iran with Mark Meadows' ghostwriters?

But in Dope world innuendo suffices.

Rush Limbaugh did every show on a few bits of innuendo substantiated by projection, strawmen, and suppositions... "what libs would say if", "what libs believe".

Unfortunately for America, Limbaugh trained a lot of listeners to replace critical thinking that annoying and dishonest chicanery.

Yeah, really. Of course the VP is really busy, and I'm sure that his personal calls with his son are scheduled on his calendar (as I'm sure all his personal calls are). But Joe Biden can't control if his son chooses to have that call with his business buddies, and he's not going to just hang up on him if he does. All he can do, and all he is required to do, is keep the conversation personal and not business.


You’re describing Plausible Deniability, but…no. Joe knew damn well what was going on.

Unfortunately for America, Limbaugh trained a lot of listeners to replace critical thinking WITH that annoying and dishonest chicanery.

First, that's a pretty limp response. It’s a column, op-ed, whatever.

Doesn't change a single fact of what is in the report, amd neither does your snipe hunt of a ‘cheap fake’ or whatever other bullshit smokescreen you’re trying to lay down.

They have bank records. Sorry, but…take the L.

You’re describing Plausible Deniability, but…no. Joe knew damn well what was going on.

Your phrase "Plausible Deniability" is just another way of saying that Joe Biden never actually took any actions and never actually said anything that violated the law. It's not "Plausible Deniability" - it's not doing anything illegal. How sneaky of Joe Biden to follow the law and not trade the powers of his office for money - he's always able to deny wrongdoing through his cunning plan of "not doing wrong." How deceptive of him!

Hunter Biden clearly leveraged the fact that Joe Biden was his dad in Hunter's business dealings - but that's not anything that Joe Biden did wrong. That's something Hunter Biden did that was unseemly...not anything his dad did that was unseemly.

BTW, have you found the backbone yet to condemn DonOLD's mishandling of more then 100 highly classified documents -- including sharing a classified plan of a U.S. attack on Iran with Mark Meadows' ghostwriters?


Dope thinks the orange Jesus is above the law.

How sneaky of Joe Biden to follow the law and not trade the powers of his office for money

Unlike Trump who will take EVERY opportunity to trade his office for grift.

They have bank records.

I see. They have bank records but they don’t have an impeachment or an indictment.

Riiight.

You may believe this claptrap but the rest of us see right through it.

Actions speak louder than words.

I’m going to be generous here. Your argument is silly.

Your phrase "Plausible Deniability" is just another way of saying that Joe Biden never actually took any actions and never actually said anything that violated the law. It's not "Plausible Deniability" - it's not doing anything illegal.

These were the years during which — even as the vice president theatrically railed at Bucharest to crack down on corruption — Hunter re-ran the Burisma play by taking $1 million from Romanian real estate tycoon Gabriel Popoviciu in exchange for pressuring Romanian anti-corruption authorities to back off (though not enough to erase Popoviciu’s nine-year prison term).

Almost simultaneously, Hunter pressured the Obama-Biden State Department to put in a good word for Burisma with the Italian government.

Naturally, we learned of that only last week — you’ll be shocked, I’m sure, to hear that the Biden-Harris administration withheld disclosure this “Biden brand” self-dealing until after the plug was pulled on President Biden’s 2024 re-election bid.

Loads of things.

Loads of things.

Still all stuff Hunter did. No stuff that Joe did.

Again, implementing his sneaky strategy for avoiding consequences of wrongdoing by "not doing wrong" in the first place. How dastardly of him!

Still all stuff Hunter did. No stuff that Joe did.

Come on, man.

In 2013, Hunter hitched a ride with Dad on Air Force Two to score an investment partnership — Bohai Harvest RST — with regime insider Jonathan Li and such partners as the Bank of China.

The arrangement helped America’s top geopolitical rival land coveted anti-vibration technology with military uses, as well as a $3.8 billion cobalt mine in Africa — abetting China’s effort to corner the precious metals market (vital, for example, for manufacturing batteries for the electric cars Biden is hectoring Americans to buy).

Further, it was during Joe Biden’s vice presidency that the Bidens hooked up with CEFC, a CCP-dominated Chinese influence operation camouflaged as a regime-backed energy conglomerate.

The CEFC deal eventually brought us the now-infamous “10 percent for the big guy” email — outlining Joe’s personal stake.

And just to finish this off:
It also gave us Hunter’s 2017 WhatsApp shakedown of a CEFC exec — explaining: “I am sitting here with my father” wondering why the “commitment” hasn’t been “fulfilled,” and “I will make certain between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction.”

Within days, the floodgates opened with $5 million — on top of millions already paid — flowing into the Biden family coffers.

Comer’s committee traces the money trail from Hunter, to Joe’s brother Jim, to Joe Biden himself.

So not was only was money flowing to Joe Biden himself but he was taking it from places like China.

Come on, man.

You come on, man. Again, nothing Joe Biden did - other than letting his son accompany him on AF2. No indication that Joe Biden participated at all in the business discussions.

As for the CEFC, here's a hint: the use of terms like "the Bidens" or "the Biden family" - and not "Joe Biden" - is almost always an effort to hide the fact that it wasn't Joe that did the thing...but to make you believe he did.

You come on, man.

Nope:
It also gave us Hunter’s 2017 WhatsApp shakedown of a CEFC exec — explaining: “I am sitting here with my father” wondering why the “commitment” hasn’t been “fulfilled,” and “I will make certain between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction.”

Within days, the floodgates opened with $5 million — on top of millions already paid — flowing into the Biden family coffers.

Comer’s committee traces the money trail from Hunter, to Joe’s brother Jim, to Joe Biden himself.

So it doesn't bother you that Hunter is closing deals with the Chinese while on Air Force 2? And that money from these deals went to Joe Biden's bank accounts?

So not was only was money flowing to Joe Biden himself but he was taking it from places like China.

You mean the WhatsApp message shown in the faked screenshot, described upthread? That used the Apple iMessage bubbles and dots, rather than the formatting that WhatsApp uses? The one that was allegedly sent when Biden was no longer in office? The one where there's no evidence at all that Joe Biden was actually sitting there with Hunter when he sent that message?

And again, the circumlocution that the "committee traces the money trail" rather than saying that Joe Biden was paid by anyone in China. His sons got paid, and one of the sons used some of that money to repay a loan from Biden. If there was any evidence that it was otherwise - that it wasn't in repayment of a loan - you can bet they would have brought articles of impeachment.

But they didn't. Because, again, there wasn't $27 million for The Big Guy. His son had an unseemly business of trading off his famous last name, but Joe Biden didn't do anything wrong. Which is why he wasn't impeached.

So it doesn't bother you that Hunter is closing deals with the Chinese while on Air Force 2?

Is there evidence that Hunter was closing the deal on Air Force 2? Your quote on that point just said he hitched a ride - not that there was a business meeting on the plane.

And that money from these deals went to Joe Biden's bank accounts?

As noted in my prior response, not the awkward phrasing "money from these deals went to Joe Biden's bank accounts" rather than "Joe Biden was paid for doing something." His relatives were paid from these deals, and one of them used the money to repay a loan. If it was anything more than that, you can bet they would have impeached. But they didn't, so they're left with circumlocutions using the passive voice to suggest something that didn't happen.

You mean the WhatsApp message shown in the faked screenshot, described upthread? That used the Apple iMessage bubbles and dots, rather than the formatting that WhatsApp uses? The one that was allegedly sent when Biden was no longer in office? The one where there's no evidence at all that Joe Biden was actually sitting there with Hunter when he sent that message?


No, I mean the bank records which aren't faked. I could care less what claims were made upthread from the other poster.

Joe Biden didn't do anything wrong. Which is why he wasn't impeached

You mean besides enabling deals with unsavory partners who don't have America's best interests in mind, accepting money from said partners, certainly not paying any taxes on said money, and doing a lot of this while he was Vice President of the United States?

Nope, nothing to see there, Lt. Drebbin!

Is there evidence that Hunter was closing the deal on Air Force 2?

So he's traveling with the US delegation as an unregistered foreign agent. Nothing to see there!

No, I mean the bank records which aren't faked.

You mean the bank records that show this was repayment of a loan, and not payment for services?

You mean besides enabling deals with unsavory partners who don't have America's best interests in mind, accepting money from said partners, certainly not paying any taxes on said money, and doing a lot of this while he was Vice President of the United States?

There's no evidence that Joe enabled these deals. There's no evidence that Joe accepted money from said partners. There's no evidence that Joe accepted any payment generating an obligation to pay taxes (again, it was repayment of a loan). Just his family members going off and doing this stuff, while Joe did nothing wrong.

You've been sold a bill of goods, Dope. If they had anything, they would have impeached - and a while ago at that. But they don't, so all they can do is describe a bunch of stuff that Hunter did in ways that get folks who aren't paying much attention to think that Joe did them instead. Which is false, but politically useful.

So he's traveling with the US delegation as an unregistered foreign agent. Nothing to see there!

Physically being on the same plane with his Dad doesn't make him part of the US delegation. Nor does it make him an unregistered foreign agent. Nor is that anything that Joe Biden is doing wrong.

You mean the bank records that show this was repayment of a loan, and not payment for services?

Guess that'll be for the IRS to decide.

You've been sold a bill of goods, Dope. If they had anything, they would have impeached

And you're defending a President with a slimeball son who influence peddled his way to millions of dollars, is an unregistered foreign agent, and has made several very concerning connections with some of America's enemies. That used to bother most people, but in this day and age of MUST PROTECT I guess it doesn't.

It strains credulity to think that Joe Biden is blissfully unaware of how his son earns money. Unless one believes in the Harry Reid school of enrichment, of course, where this is just the way things are done.

Physically being on the same plane with his Dad doesn't make him part of the US delegation. Nor does it make him an unregistered foreign agent. Nor is that anything that Joe Biden is doing wrong.

You're chanting that like we're at a football game. Hey, whatever it takes!

And you're defending a President with a slimeball son who influence peddled his way to millions of dollars, is an unregistered foreign agent, and has made several very concerning connections with some of America's enemies.

Hold on, Dope!

I’ve read all of albaby’s posts and he definitely NOT defending Trump.

And you're defending a President with a slimeball son

We don't visit the sins of the son onto the father, any more than the reverse. Hunter Biden is a grown man. Joe Biden is not responsible for him being a slimeball. It certainly doesn't constitute any kind of wrongdoing or impeachable offense to have a slimeball son. If Hunter Biden does drugs or cheats on his taxes or engages in unseemly business deals, that's not Joe Biden doing it. All Joe can do is be scrupulous on his side of the relationship and not take any inappropriate actions in fulfilling his office. By all accounts, Joe did exactly that. There's no indication that Joe Biden took any action, or even made any statement, that constituted wrongdoing.

You're just wrong, Dope. The GOP assembled a bunch of unseemly stuff that Hunter did, and then talked about "the Biden family" and "the Bidens" enough times that people who weren't paying attention mistakenly thought they had found something that Joe Biden had done.

Sorry, dope.

Reality bites.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/19/house-gop...

Joe Biden is not responsible for him being a slimeball. It certainly doesn't constitute any kind of wrongdoing or impeachable offense to have a slimeball son.

No, and no one is arguing that. What is inarguable is Joe Biden enabling the influence peddling and the White House covering it up.

You're just wrong, Dope.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. If even 1% of this stuff was alleged about Trump there would be national campaigns to try him for treason, and you know it.

What is inarguable is Joe Biden enabling the influence peddling and the White House covering it up.

It's not inarguable. I'm arguing it. Joe Biden didn't do anything to enable the influence peddling. He didn't enable it. Joe Biden didn't do anything that enabled Hunter Biden's influence peddling. He was Hunter's father, and had personal and social interactions with Hunter - which is something that is permissible and appropriate. That's not enabling influence peddling - and Joe Biden was under no obligation to cut off contact with Hunter Biden just because Hunter Biden's out there doing unseemly things. Joe's obligation is to not exercise his office in a way that violates the law, and not to isolate himself from his son.

If even 1% of this stuff was alleged about Trump there would be national campaigns to try him for treason, and you know it.

There would not be - because there weren't. Good government folks were all upset over the fact that Trump didn't divest himself of all of his international holdings and business ventures, because those all created the opportunity for foreign governments to confer benefits/exercise pressure on Trump monetarily. For example, see below:

https://archive.ph/AzRF5

Trump wasn't brought up on charges for treason, of course. And even when they were impeaching Trump, they didn't include anything on those business deals. Because while it's unseemly for the adult children of the President to be pursuing business ventures in foreign countries while their father is the President, it's not wrongdoing on the part of the officeholder.

You've been sold a bill of goods, Dope. If they had anything...

Man o man.. this back and forth is like the Brawndo scenes in Idiocracy, where logic and reason keep hitting a brick wall.

It says Biden family, that's not saying Joe Biden... it says Biden family, ...but that's not saying Joe Biden... yeah, but it says Biden Family...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMHfBobgLSI

Dope, dope, dope!

What is the source of your loyalty to Trump?

He's arguably the worst POTUS this country has EVER had.

He's immoral in ways that really count.

He's a fraud, a grifter and a criminal.

He's a narcissist who cares only for himself.

He is incompetent and deeply corrupt.

The list could go on for a long time. Surely you've heard and seen it.

Why would you support such a patently unqualified man?

The list could go on for a long time. Surely you've heard and seen it.

Why would you support such a patently unqualified man?

"It's what plants crave."

"It's what plants crave."

And it's got electrolytes!

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