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I don't own a gun - but I appreciate the Constitutional Right to do so, even though I feel that social culture and family units have decayed to a point where Americans - many Americans - can't be trusted with a gun, let alone day to day life.

Almost 15 years ago when I decided America was in permanent decline headed to being a 1st world country with normalized visible 3rd world traits, I did take gun safety courses and purchased lawfully, a gun.

Happily married, kids, blessed with finances. Grew up in that environment, and thus far have been able to provide such environment so no stressors. However....I do tend to have a short temper at times. I don't feel I'm capable of violence -- heck the last time I ever did anything close to violent was at age 12 - school bus fight.

But I decided - I'm probably better off without a gun and I got rid of it - again within the law.

The many Americans who believe in right to arms, who respect guns.....I just can't imagine why they vehemently don't support background checks. Why do you want nut jobs, thugs, and modern culture-manufactured-freaks.....to take something you respect and cherish and denigrate it?

"It's just a start! They'll come for the guns next!!!" - I get that -- BUT the shootings and mayhem are eventually going to give impetus, and political will to the powers that be to yes TAKE the guns. When today's kids - you know - the ones who can pick pronouns, not eat Twinkies, and run like hell during "lockdown drills" grow up, they will be more sympathetic to gun bans when they run the show.

So, get out in front of it. Gun Owners should DEMAND strict background checks, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.

Some on the right love shouting "my resolve! My principles!" - well they lost votes over gay marriage for a long while and now even young Republicans are all for it. Once again, you are going to use political capital on something that is a foregone conclusion - albeit awhile down the road.

Support background checks. Stop these idiots from sullying the right to own a firearm.

So, get out in front of it. Gun Owners should DEMAND strict background checks, in the name of protecting the 2nd Amendment.

I don't know of anyone who doesn't support a background check. What anyone is and should be leery of is ending up on a list somewhere. We've seen first with the Obama and now the Biden administrations that there is a willingness to exercise the federal government's power over ordinary citizens, almost gleefully so.

"I don't know of anyone who doesn't support a background check. What anyone is and should be leery of is ending up on a list somewhere. We've seen first with the Obama and now the Biden administrations that there is a willingness to exercise the federal government's power over ordinary citizens, almost gleefully so."

Someone then - is holding us back from having stricter background checks. If it's not the NRA and other such groups and like-minded individuals I can't think who else would do that.

The rest of your points, I share the concerns. However, I supported President Bush's Patriot Act, and no-Fly lists. So did many on the right. And after that so did Obama and Biden and Liberals who pretended not to support it just cause it was Bush.

And yes, the government will over-reach. Be it the Chinese Communists, or their friends in the American Progressive Left.

But, with that accounted for.....

I want strict background checks. A huge swath of America, some due to clinical illness, others due to social decay are not to be trusted any longer. America is not America any more.

Growing numbers of people - are, and will - be more concerned about them or their loved ones of all ages getting shot and killed, vs being on a list. Less and less people know of, or even give a hoot about Constitutions and less and less people have any appreciation for how it came about.

Support - is waning.

My hope is Gun Owners - get out in front of this one and bring about real, strict changes.

Or I think in the end - we all lose the right.

Why do you want nut jobs, thugs, and modern culture-manufactured-freaks.....to take something you respect and cherish and denigrate it?

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Because these people <mostly> would not come into contact with those background checks. Now a reasonable red flag law I think is worth discussion and implementation.

BTW, I have had background checks performed for all the guns I have bought over the years. I really don't know how to avoid it except go the bad side of town and pay cash and hope I don't robbed in the process. So I wouldn't attempt that but there are plenty of criminals who would.

A huge swath of America, some due to clinical illness, others due to social decay are not to be trusted any longer. America is not America any more.

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Agreed, 1) how do you identify them? 2) How do you ensure the appropriate data would be collected and logged so that it would show up on a background check? Carefully crafted Red Flag laws may offer a solution.

Gun Owners should DEMAND

1) Strict background checks,
2) Responsible storage laws(little kids with Mom/Dads 9mm shooting kids and teachers, bad juju)
3) Absolute liability for the weapon if it's a) loaned b) stolen and not reported immediately.
4) Confiscation upon any violence conviction.
5) Raise age of ownership to 21. (brains aren't sufficiently developed in many young people to responsibly "regulate")
6) Consistent gun regs in all states.

My hope is Gun Owners - get out in front of this one and bring about real, strict changes.

I keep quiet at the ranges when the talk turns to 'changes', nation-wide regulations, etc, lest I be labeled a gun grabber as I go through case after case of shotgun shells.

I regularly here the following simplistic argument in defense of beating back all regulations.

Triggers don't pull themselves. People pull triggers.

What do you think of that defense?

"I keep quiet at the ranges when the talk turns to 'changes', nation-wide regulations, etc, lest I be labeled a gun grabber as I go through case after case of shotgun shells"

That - is American political discourse. The Tribals and Media-Rabbit-Slaves on both sides can't get beyond bumper stickers and dog whistles - and do nuance.



"Triggers don't pull themselves. People pull triggers.

What do you think of that defense?"

I agree. For some odd reason when I was a kid in school--- why didn't we have lockdown drills? The right to bear arms was still there. But the culture hadn't decayed to what it is now. And now we have more people - who want to pull the trigger.


BUT because I have no faith in American culture, and American socioeconomic trends, I feel many Americans are unable to handle owning a firearm. Hence - I'm not wanting to grab guns. I want to prevent nut jobs from having them.

For some odd reason when I was a kid in school--- why didn't we have lockdown drills?

Perhaps because we didn't talk about absolutely everything in the most apocryphal ways possible:

The planet's going to burn up in 15 years!
COVID's going to kill us all!
<insert group here> is being hunted and killed on the street on a daily basis!

...so on and so forth. We also didn't have social media tech that keeps people staring at small screens, hopelessly addicted to the dopamine hit a "like" or a "rec" gives them and moving them further and further away from interactions with...actual people.

The worst thing we did in the last couple of years was to lock kids at home. You take kids at their most vulnerable ages where they need the most social interaction and you take it away...and replace it with TikTok. We've created a generation of ticking time bombs in the worst cases. In the *best* cases we've stunted the growth of millions of kids who learned nothing while the schools were shut down.

"I don't know of anyone who doesn't support a background check"

How about most of the Republicans and Senators in the legislature who constantly deny or water down and proposal to strengthen background checks? Those are the people who you vote for and send to congress and you don't even know what they stand for?

A huge swath of America, some due to clinical illness, others due to social decay are not to be trusted any longer. America is not America any more.

Was it ever? Or is this a myth? I think this has always been part of America. It waxes and wanes, but has always been here.

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