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Today the right often sees science as an enemy.

And Project 2025 wants to get rid of any mention of climate change because 'it hurts American's prosperity'.

The Republican Party has become so stupid...on the whole.

https://www.njspotlightnews.org/2025/02/fears-for-...

As Musk’s team sweeps through federal agencies, fears for future of NOAA

Keep making excuses Trumpers, until it is really to late to arrest this insane slide towards autocracy, idiocracy, kleptocracy, kakistocracy.

Someone has told you for years.

Because of Liberal arrogance.

Because of he/him

Because of illegal alien sympathizing....



"SURF'S UP "!


LOL get the vegetables and salmon first.

NOAA's job is to predict the weather.
Not opine about energy policy.

DOGE will figure out what the balance of time they spend is.

BTW European weather modeling is considered the gold standard in meteorological circles as NOAA's models aren't considered to be as accurate. That's where NOAA should be spending its money.

Board libs just see DOGE going someplace and assume they're going to tear down the agency. What they never consider is that oftentimes these agencies are coloring FAR outside the lines with respect to their missions. You'd think the USAID revelations would have taught them that but most of the lefties here seem to be...limited...in their ability to take in new information.

This was posted a short while ago on BlueSky.

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Elon Musk’s staffers have gained access to the computer systems at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), claiming to use that access to search for programs and staff linked to diversity policies.
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Simultaneously, sections of NOAA’s website displaying climate data have become unavailable. They are systematically going through the system, removing content at their discretion. More details to follow.

DOGE will figure out what the balance of time they spend is.

It’s amazing how much trust some people place in an undefined, unelected shadow group committing illegal acts, led by a Marvel Comic cosplayer and named for a cryptocurrency.

You haven’t the slightest idea in hell what their ultimate goals and objectives are. Neither do we, because nobody’s explained them and nobody (certainly not Congress) has authorized them.

BTW European weather modeling is considered the gold standard in meteorological circles as NOAA's models aren't considered to be as accurate. That's where NOAA should be spending its money.

That’s just you and your wish list. It may or may not correspond to reality. Regardless, you don’t have a clue what their ultimate goals and objectives are. The only things you know for sure are what you see them doing, and even then, it’s buried in smoke and mirrors.

<iIt’s amazing how much trust some people place in an undefined

Versus the blind faith in a government that's adding trillions to the debt every year. These discussion are really showing us who was serious about the national debt and who isn't.

You haven’t the slightest idea in hell what their ultimate goals and objectives are.

Your personal accusations mean precisely zero.
Try to stick to the facts.

That’s just you and your wish list.

Right - why would we want the National Weather Service/NOAA to be the best in the world at predicting the weather? I mean, who wants an accurate weather service? That's crazy, I tell ya!

You really should read what you're typing before you smash the <send> button.

>>As Musk’s team sweeps through federal agencies, fears for future of NOAA<<

Nothing to fear unless questions arise about spending that would embarrass the Agency if answered. That is exactly why sunshine is so effective.

Versus the blind faith in a government that's adding trillions to the debt every year

I don't think many of us have "blind faith" in government, it's just not our mantra that the government can't do anything right. What I expect from the government is... the government.

I get curious if I see the military coming into the area, but I don't think the government is invading to round me up and put me in a concentration camp.

My suspicion of government is healthy. I never worry about anyone "colored" getting more than they deserve because I know as soon as that happens some white folks will be standing up hollering objections to it - so if it's real it won't last long. Gays, trans don't bother me - leave them in peace.

Adding trillions to debt is what Trump has done via tax cuts to billionaires. The little tax cuts they gave us phase out in 4 years, but the billionaires was permanent. So take your right hand and slap your face. 😜

Right - why would we want the National Weather Service/NOAA to be the best in the world at predicting the weather?

Great deflection. We all want a NOAA that accurately predicts the weather.

But Elon’s crypt-named group of strong-armed thugs is not the tool to accomplish that goal.

From my perspective, here’s what they might accomplish:

The next time Trump stands in front of a weathermap with a Sharpie, the weathermap will automatically redraw itself to include Mobile Alabama in the hurricane’s path, saving Dear Leader from having to explain why his Sharpie drawn hurricane path was not in the

Ridiculous, yes, but it makes a point. Trump has shown himself, over and over, to be someone who attempts to bend reality to fit his propaganda. If reality conflicts with his propaganda he UNERRINGLY lies about reality (latest example- see your post and my response last night regarding Panama)

Comparisons with any Democratic politician are not even close. Not that Democrats aren’t capable of lying about reality. I’t just that right now, reality is generally not at odds with their message.

Versus the blind faith in a government that's adding trillions to the debt every year.

Reality check...
Trump added a record setting and truly staggering $8 trillion in new debt during his 1st term. That amounts to $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country. (Including Babies!)

One of Trump’s lesser known but profoundly damaging legacies will be the explosive rise in the national debt that occurred on his watch.
The financial burden that he’s inflicted on our economy and government will wreak havoc for decades, slowing GDP growth and saddling our kids and grandkids with massive interest payments and debt.
Almost unbelievably he also simultaneously lost millions of American jobs. Sad!

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." Louis Brandeis

Nothing to fear unless questions arise about spending that would embarrass the Agency if answered. That is exactly why sunshine is so effective.

Remember over the last 4 years how the libs said, 'if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about'? Yeah, that show isn't so comfortable on the other foot.

Great deflection. We all want a NOAA that accurately predicts the weather.


Thats's not what you just said. I gave you a data point where NOAA clearly isn't #1, indicating that there is indeed work they could be doing to be the best.

But Elon’s crypt-named group of strong-armed thugs

You don't work with SW engineers much. They tend to not be thugs, lol.

Comparisons with any Democratic politician are not even close. Not that Democrats aren’t capable of lying about reality. I’t just that right now, reality is generally not at odds with their message.

You just lived through 4 years of being GASLIT to the extreme about Biden's mental acuity, the state of the economy, the southern border and loads of other things.

No, what's rare is any democrat that can be trusted to say "2+2=4". They're so broken intellectually and morally they shouldn't be allowed in any office higher than dogcatcher.

You don't work with SW engineers much. They tend to not be thugs, lol.

If they illegally break in to government computers, change code and transfer personal data to outside data centers, the hats they are wearing are definitely not white ones.

If they illegally break in to government computers,

They’re not breaking into anything illegally. You guys should have dug harder into how they set this up.

Basically Trump used an Obamacare mandated software upgrade program to set all this up under. Quite clever, actually.

You just lived through 4 years of being GASLIT to the extreme about Biden's mental acuity,

No, Biden's mental acuity was fine in January 2024. If anything happened since you cried "wolf" about his acuity for four years we got tored of hearing it.

the state of the economy,

The economy did well under Bidem, but we did have a problem with eggs, and now Trump has the same problem. Please light a fire under Trump about eggs.

Versus the blind faith in a government that's adding trillions to the debt every year. These discussion are really showing us who was serious about the national debt and who isn't.

Here is a list of post-WW2 presidents and the % the debt rose under each president’s term in office (high to low):

Reagan      160.8% R
Bush 1       72.6% R
Obama        64.4% D
Bush 2       42.3% R
Nixon        34.3% R
Trump        33.1% R
Carter       29.9% D
Clinton      28.6% D
Biden        16.7% D
Ford         16.4% R
Johnson      11.5% D
Eisenhower    7.6% R
Kennedy       5.8% D
Truman        0.2% D      

Which party dominates the highest increases and which party dominates the lowest increases? Top half 5 R and 2 D, bottom half 5 D and 2 R.

I think it shows who talks the talk and who walks the walk.

I think it shows who talks the talk and who walks the walk.

I think this shows who understands things and who doesn't.
Your "analysis" doesn't cover exogenous things like COVID. Nobody told Biden to spend like he did. Nobody told Obama to carry on with the 2nd tranche of TARP.

Clinton benefited from the internet productivity boom, getting a whole new sector of the economy opened up during his term, a lucky break for him.
 
Many of us have called for spending reforms over the years. No board libs say much on the topic.

Nobody told Biden to spend like he did. Nobody told Obama to carry on with the 2nd tranche of TARP.

Well, except Congress. The branch of government that the Founders allocated the power to decide how much the government spends.

Well, except Congress.

The 2nd tranche of TARP was optional.

And Biden signed the leg from Congress. You know, the Founders' mechanism for the Executive branch to consent to the laws passed by the Legislative.

DOGE will figure out what the balance of time they spend is.

Here's a thought experiment for you: just imagine this was a democratic administration pulling all this bullshit. If you can be honest for a minute you know you'd be losing your mind with rage, and FOX 'news' would be 'reporting' on it endlessly in the most negative way imaginable.

The 2nd tranche of TARP was optional.

And Biden signed the leg from Congress. You know, the Founders' mechanism for the Executive branch to consent to the laws passed by the Legislative.

Sure....but Congress was the one that acted first to tell the President to spend these funds. Presidential spending is never done in a vacuum. While the President has the nominal power to veto a spending bill or CR, in practice those bills are "must pass" - with incredibly damaging consequences if a veto were issued.

Not sure why you're pushing back on this, because it's the fundamental reason why listing deficit spending by President - rather than say the party that controlled the House - doesn't tell you very much. Presidents offer recommended budgets, but it's really the taxing and spending decisions by Congress that affect whether and how much of a deficit we have. The President has less control over the deficit than Congress, and arguably less than either branch of Congress.

Sure....but Congress was the one that acted first to tell the President to spend these funds. Presidential spending is never done in a vacuum. While the President has the nominal power to veto a spending bill or CR, in practice those bills are "must pass" - with incredibly damaging consequences if a veto were issued.

This has been a theme of yours of late where the all-powerful Congress dictates spending to the President. That's not true. The President works alongside Congress to decide on the controlling political party's objectives.

Not sure why you're pushing back on this, because it's the fundamental reason why listing deficit spending by President - rather than say the party that controlled the House - doesn't tell you very much.

This is aimed at the other guy, not me. He's the one ignoring all nuance in terms of exogenous effects or anything else in his rush to blame Republicans.

They tend to not be thugs, lol.

Maybe. But they do sometimes make clever criminals. Like Ross Ulbricht, the guy who enabled every kind of criminal activity on his dark web and was sentenced to two life terms. Trump pardoned him to please the whacko libertarian fringe who believe enabling every kind of criminal activity is just fine.

Oh, our Law and Order POTUS. What a joke.

This has been a theme of yours of late where the all-powerful Congress dictates spending to the President. That's not true. The President works alongside Congress to decide on the controlling political party's objectives.

It's not a theme. It's the law. If the Congress tells the President to spend money on things, he has to spend the money on things. They pass the laws, he has to execute them - that's why he's the Executive and they're the Legislature.

This is not a close issue. The Supreme Court ruled 9-0 that when Congress directs by law that money should be spent on something, the President must spend the money on that thing as required by law - unless the Congress gives the President discretion not to spend it.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/420/35...

It's pretty simple - the President is required to follow the laws passed by Congress. The President can "work alongside Congress to decide on the controlling party's objectives" - but once Congress has passed a law, the President has to follow it. And that includes appropriations laws.

The economy did well under Bidem, but we did have a problem with eggs, and now Trump has the same problem. Please light a fire under Trump about eggs.


Trump: "Groceries. Like almost, you know--who uses the word? I started using the word 'the groceries'."

Says the silver-spooned baby man who has never had to shop for 'groceries'. Who uses the word?

OMG

Versus the blind faith in a government that's adding trillions to the debt every year. These discussion are really showing us who was serious about the national debt and who isn't.

You are out of touch with reality and you just had your ass handed to you once again.

It's not a theme. It's the law. If the Congress tells the President to spend money on things, he has to spend the money on things.

Only after 2/3rds of them override his veto.

It's pretty simple - the President is required to follow the laws passed by Congress.

And signed into law by the President. No one's disputing this, so the history lesson isn't required.

Only after 2/3rds of them override his veto.

Hey, if you want to say that Reagan owns all the Democratic budgets during his tenure because he didn't override the Congress, more power to you. Personally, I think it's a little silly to assign all the responsibility for the deficit to the President in whose term it accrues, for a bunch of reasons.

Hey, if you want to say that Reagan owns all the Democratic budgets during his tenure because he didn't override the Congress, more power to you. Personally, I think it's a little silly to assign all the responsibility for the deficit to the President in whose term it accrues, for a bunch of reasons.

That was the other guy's argument, not mine.

"Which party dominates the highest increases and which party dominates the lowest increases? Top half 5 R and 2 D, bottom half 5 D and 2 R.

I think it shows who talks the talk and who walks the walk."

George W Bush handed Obama an absolute shit-sandwich when he left office. The Great Financial
Crisis.

Trump handed Biden an absolute shit-sandwich when he left office. Trump's bungled, hamfisted
handling of Covid sent the economy into a tailspin.

So the R's have effed up things even worse than your table shows.
( I know you know that )

They’re not breaking into anything illegally.

Your saying it doesn’t make it so.

You might reply “Neither does your saying so”

But lets see how all of these lawsuits and court injunctions sort out

Nobody told Obama to carry on with the 2nd tranche of TARP.

Au contraire, mon ami.

Your saying it doesn’t make it so.

Your accusations aren't worth anything.

Your accusations aren't worth anything.

Sure thing, sugar lips.

But it ain’t just me who’s making it.

But it ain’t just me who’s making it.

Yeah. Don't care.
There's a "coup" going on, but it's not the one you think. Basically all the shady stuff the Deep State has been doing is being brought up to the surface. Why else are so many democrats screaming about this? Because they're benefiting from it.

It's not Trump's or Elon's or my fault that your party is basically a giant fraud machine. The money spigot is being turned off and now all those leeches need to actually earn a living.

And signed into law by the President. No one's disputing this, so the history lesson isn't required.

It isn't history Dope, it's Civics or Government. It's even more dull than history in High School.

I am going to keep harping on this but words fucking matter.

executive: late Middle English: from medieval Latin executivus, from exsequi (see execute).

In other words do what you are told to do. Congress told the President what to do. A President has either signed the bill agreeing with it or vetoed it and Congress overrode the veto. The POTUS doesn't get to claim that it only applied to that POTUS but not to me.

Congress told the President what to do. - ges

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Making our President, more or less, like a order taker at the McDonald's drive-up doesn't sound like the equal branch our the Founding Fathers intended. And in a very real way, disenfranchises the voters who elected him.

"I think this shows who understands things and who doesn't.
Your "analysis" doesn't cover exogenous things like COVID. Nobody told Biden to spend like he did. Nobody told Obama to carry on with the 2nd tranche of TARP." - Dope

Dope you are right for actually once in your life. It does show who understands things and who doesn't.

Unfortunately, you don't understand the first thing about the Constitution, and it shows. Apparently you don't understand that congress has to authorize spending and then the president executes on that spending. So congress told Biden to spend what he did. Congress told Obama to carry on with the 2nd tranche of TARP.

"Many of us have called for spending reforms over the years. No board libs say much on the topic."

That is one of the many reason you are laughed at over the years. You like to pretend that you are a deficit hawk, but in reality you were a supporter of the stuff that drove up the debt in the last 25 years. The Bush tax cuts, the Iraq invasion, and Trump tax cuts. You were a supporter of all three and those are three of the biggest drivers of the federal debt.

Nobody told Biden to spend like he did. Nobody told Obama to carry on with the 2nd tranche of TARP...
Many of us have called for spending reforms over the years. No board libs say much on the topic." ~Dope

We should change the name of this board to Dems Explain How the World Works To The MAGAs...

Reality check:
Don't like massive debt and deficits? Don't vote for the GOP.

George Bush (41) took the deficit to -$300 billion per year. (Dope cheered!)

Clinton got it to zero. During his presidency, Clinton managed to zero out the deficit and end his term with a +$128 billion per year surplus. (Dope whined the entire time.)

Lil' Bush (43) went from a surplus to -$1.4 trillion per year. (Dope cheered! Free the people of Iraq, it will only cost $5 tRillion!)

Obama halved it to -$600 billion per year. (Dope whined the entire time.)

Trump, "The king of bankruptcy" then ramped the deficit up to an unheard of, record setting -$2 Trillion per year! (Dope cheered his hero. While tens of thousands died from Trumps inept handling of Covid.)

"Trump's team is the Corleones with no experience." ~Chris Christie, Life-long republican

"Trump is a @#$%ing moron!" ~Rex Tillerson, Life-long republican

Dope: "Many of us have called for spending reforms over the years. No board libs say much on the topic."

Your idea of 'spending reforms' is to cut taxes on the rich. We've seen how that works. Brilliant.

I'm horrified by the extent of the national debt. But the Republicans have had no real solutions over the years.

Nobody told Biden to spend like he did. Nobody told Obama to carry on with the 2nd tranche of TARP.

Albaby, shootin' fish in a barrel: Well, except Congress.

Thanks for your posts, Al.

I like that I can learn from your posts without having to read the posts to which they are in response.

But the Republicans have had no real solutions over the years. - ges

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So lets try something new.

So lets try something new.

Tell Trump to shake up the military procurement process. Fire em all. Then let them back in with a loyalty pledge. An aircraft carrier cruise ship combo could lower expenses. That's the ticket - shut down the military - we spend too much. Put quonsit huts on all of the western gov land and all retirees go there. Give em a hospital, food bank, free internet, and free cremation,

Tell Trump to shake up the military procurement process. Fire em all.

Have a rec for the first part of your post. Military procurement is a train wreck. Take this guy

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Ar...
Frank Calvelli is the Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Space Acquisition and Integration. He is responsible for all architecture and integration with respect to acquisition of space systems and programs in the armed forces, chairing the Space Acquisition Council, and overseeing and directing the space acquisition centers in the Department of the Air Force. He also serves as the DAF Service Acquisition Executive for Space Systems and Programs.

Sounds great? Dude ran a lot of acquisition programs. While doing so he crapped on his contractors and made their life tough...the media touted him as A Big Tough Guy.

But what was he really doing?

https://executivebiz.com/2025/02/frank-calvelli-tr...
Frank Calvelli, a seasoned military, intelligence and space systems leader, has been selected as the newest member of the board of directors at True Anomaly.

The Centennial, Colorado-based defense technology company said Wednesday Calvelli will lead True Anomaly’s efforts in enhancing its operations ensuring alignment with government and military missions.

True Anomaly is a start up. After Calvelli got through wrecking the big contractors, now he's joining a start up that will conveniently be positioned to execute the vision he left behind...enriching him to the tune of a lot of money.

Doesn't get much more Swampy than this guy.

Then let them back in with a loyalty pledge.

They already take a loyalty pledge, to the Constitution.

It's pretty simple - the President is required to follow the laws passed by Congress. The President can "work alongside Congress to decide on the controlling party's objectives" - but once Congress has passed a law, the President has to follow it. And that includes appropriations laws.

All true.

But without the threat of impeachment and removal, that has no teeth. The Felon can do what he likes. There isn't a Congressional sheriff who could arrest the Felon. And this Congress will never impeach the Felon, even though they probably should have after the first week.

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