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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
Number: of 3962 
Subject: What selling out to China looks like
Date: 11/15/2023 1:28 PM
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I'm sorry, but this is beyond insane:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-xi-set-pledge...

Biden, Xi set to pledge ban on AI in autonomous weapons like drones, nuclear warhead control: sources

If Biden signs on to this, he's a Chinese agent. Period.

In a landmark agreement set to be announced at Wednesday's much-awaited bilateral meeting, Presidents Joe Biden and Xi Jinping are poised to pledge a ban on the use of artificial intelligence in autonomous weaponry, such as drones, and in the control and deployment of nuclear warheads, two sources familiar with the matter confirmed to the Post.

Bad idea. The only shot we have in containing China in the Pacific is by using multiple autonomous weapons systems because in a game of numbers, they have more. They always will. Militarily their aim is to produce decent enough hardware in numbers to overwhelm and enemy.

This agreement locks that strategy in place and puts us at a massive disadvantage. We are the world leaders in AI; it's not even close. Why cede that advantage?

Besides - is anyone naive enough to think they'll abide by the deal?
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: What selling out to China looks like
Date: 11/15/2023 2:14 PM
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Dope1: The only shot we have in containing China in the Pacific is by using multiple autonomous weapons systems because in a game of numbers, they have more.

Quoting your linked article:

China is very "sensitive" about the concept of arms control, she noted, as it has "an arsenal much smaller than the United States".

Dope1: If Biden signs on to this, he's a Chinese agent.

Right. Biden, the guy who has in two consecutive years placed additional crippling curbs on the export to China of advanced semiconductors and the equipment used to make them, honing in further on Chinese artificial intelligence capabilities that have potential military applications and closing loopholes that Beijing could exploit to get what it needs from third countries. The updated export controls came almost exactly a year after the administration’s first restrictions on semiconductor sales to Chinese companies, which altered the trajectory of U.S.-China tech competition significantly enough that they have come to be known in trade policy circles simply as "October 7."

Again, quoting your linked article: Experts interviewed by the Post welcomed the inclusion of this issue in the list of priority agendas for the Biden and Xi meeting.

"It is essential to keep a human in the loop in nuclear command and control given some of the problems we've seen so far with AI," said Bonnie Glaser, managing director of the German Marshall Fund of the United States.

Oriana Skylar Mastro, affiliated with Stanford University's Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies, said that as militaries increasingly integrate AI, one of the initial agreements between the parties should be to avoid automating nuclear command and control systems.



Didn't you understand WarGames, McKittrick, err, Dope1?


https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/19/biden-china-s...
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
Number: of 3962 
Subject: Re: What selling out to China looks like
Date: 11/15/2023 2:27 PM
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Didn't you understand WarGames, McKittrick, err, Dope1?

Far, far better than you.
This deal sells out the United States. Let's hope it only covers nukes, because if it covers drones as a general category this is literally the worst thing he could do.

Here's some education for you.
https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=43&q=autonomous+f...

Fully autonomous F-16 fighter jet takes part in simulated dogfights
An F-16 fighter jet controlled by AI has taken off, taken part in aerial fights against other aircraft and landed without human help


Can't do this anymore if Biden signs the deal.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=loyal+wingman+ai&cvi...

But this mission is different than those of the past. Swarming alongside each manned aircraft is a handful of small drone wingmen, operating with minimal direction from the accompanying pilot. They scout ahead to map out targets, use electronic warfare capabilities to jam enemy signals, and launch their own missiles to carry out airstrikes and destroy targets — multiplying the effect a single pilot can have in battle.

The Program is called Loyal Wingman, and it's literally the entire backbone of the Air Force's plan to counter China.

What about NGAD? That stands for Next Generation Air Dominance. It's kinda important.

https://breakingdefense.com/2020/12/ngad-likely-to...

WASHINGTON: The Air Force’s sixth-generation fighter jet that emerges from the Next-Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) program is almost certain to come with an AI copilot, says service acquisition czar Will Roper. The bigger question is what tasks the human pilot can, and most importantly should, cede to that artificial intelligence algorithm in what circumstances.

Whereas low-cost aircraft, such as the Skyborg drone, could very easily be flown by solo AI pilots in the near future, Roper told reporters during a Defense Writers Group briefing, the stakes are much higher for crewed aircraft.


Let's toss that, too.

Say. What about weapons?
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/...

What really makes LRASM stand out is that all of this is completely autonomous. Human beings tell the missile where the enemy fleet is, which ship to strike, and a provide it with a continuous stream of data—the missile takes care of everything else. Using artificial intelligence, the missile takes data and makes decisions all on its own. Using AI and datalinks, multiple LRASMs can launch a coordinated attack on an enemy fleet.




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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What selling out to China looks like
Date: 11/15/2023 2:43 PM
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Right. Biden, the guy who has in two consecutive years placed additional crippling curbs on the export to China of advanced semiconductors and the equipment used to make them, honing in further on Chinese artificial intelligence capabilities that have potential military applications and closing loopholes that Beijing could exploit to get what it needs from third countries. The updated export controls came almost exactly a year after the administration’s first restrictions on semiconductor sales to Chinese companies, which altered the trajectory of U.S.-China tech competition significantly enough that they have come to be known in trade policy circles simply as "October 7."

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It seems obvious that China can get its hands on all the very latest in semiconductor manufacturing capability it needs by seizing Taiwan. Biden's restrictions will do little to solve the China problem and if anything could hasten the day of reckoning for Taiwan.

And when the inevitable happens, it will be our supply that will be disrupted. It hasn't been that long since new car lots were empty due to Covid related supply chain issues with the chips automakers needed but could not get, chips primarily manufactured in Taiwan.
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