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Author: Blackswanny   😊 😞
Number: of 15071 
Subject: Paypal
Date: 05/17/2023 11:16 AM
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Anyone looking at this one?, some of the Superinvestors have been buying, strong cash flow, little debt, questions marks over growth, attractive valuation.
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Author: Bankman007   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Paypal
Date: 05/17/2023 1:49 PM
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Thanks for bringing this one to light. Morningstar has this at 5 Stars and puts fair value at $135/share. Stock is currently trading at $61.33. This is near a 5 year low.
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Author: Bankman007   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Paypal
Date: 05/17/2023 2:06 PM
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Also bought back $1.4B in shares in Q1, anticipating $4B in buybacks in 2023.
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Author: DragonTales   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Paypal
Date: 05/17/2023 4:09 PM
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I'm watching PYPL, but will hold off at least until it gets into an uptrend. It was in a channel between about $72-$76 since late-February, and then fell off a cliff on May 9th.

Maybe wait for EMA3 > EMA8?

Tails

https://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=PYPL&p=D&yr=0&mn...
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: Paypal
Date: 05/17/2023 5:59 PM
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I'm watching PYPL, but will hold off at least until it gets into an uptrend.
Maybe wait for EMA3 > EMA8?


I'm not a big fan of chartism.
But if you want to lean that way, here's a suggestion that improves things a bit: ignore what the price chart is doing.
Rather, look at how it's doing relative to other things. That's something that trends much better than the absolute price itself.
Markets are noisy. Trends of underperformance and outperformance tend to be both smoother and more sticky.

This link gives you a graph of the ratio of Paypal's stock price to the average large cap.
https://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=PYPL%3ARSP&p=D&y...
A horizontal line means it's tracking the market. A rising line means it's outperforming. Definitely not the case at the moment.

Jim
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Author: DragonTales   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Paypal
Date: 05/17/2023 10:26 PM
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I'm not a big fan of chartism.
But if you want to lean that way, here's a suggestion that improves things a bit: ignore what the price chart is doing.
Rather, look at how it's doing relative to other things. That's something that trends much better than the absolute price itself.
Markets are noisy. Trends of underperformance and outperformance tend to be both smoother and more sticky.

This link gives you a graph of the ratio of Paypal's stock price to the average large cap.
https://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=PYPL%3ARSP&p=D&y...
A horizontal line means it's tracking the market. A rising line means it's outperforming. Definitely not the case at the moment.


Interesting chart, thanks Jim! But how would you use that? i.e. what's the actionable information? When I chart it as a line, and increase the timeline to 2.5 years, I don't see when it would move to a "buy".

https://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=PYPL%3ARSP&p=D&y...

The ratio peaked in February 2021, and then there was a sucker's bear trap May-July 2021. Then basically downhill with a dead-cat bounce in the Fall, six months of "tracking the market", and now another jump off the cliff.

I was thinking of using the EMA3>EMA8 more like Jim's Go Away in May EMA. Wait for the initial date, and then tweak the timing. If someone was thinking about getting into PayPal anyway, one might be able to tweak the entry date to at least put it in their favor a bit. Maybe akin to catching a falling knife that's falling down a set of stairs. It might hurt less if you caught it bouncing off a stair. With the hope that it was bouncing off the floor at the bottom and won't fall farther.

Tails
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Author: 5thhorseman   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Paypal
Date: 05/25/2023 2:01 PM
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There's an article on Seeking Alpha that contends that PYPL is being made irrelevant by the introduction of FedNow, which enables instant settlement at the bank level, similar to the Faster Payments system in the UK. Presumably this would affect all the P2P apps including Venmo, Zelle, Cash App.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4607028-fednow-ma...

FedNow launch is expected in July. I can see this as depressing PYPL's share price in the short-term, but also a headwind over the longer term. Unless I missed something, FedNow charges the sender a 4.5¢ fee per transaction up to $100K. How can anyone compete with that?
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: Paypal
Date: 05/26/2023 4:48 PM
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I can see this as depressing PYPL's share price in the short-term, but also a headwind over the longer term. Unless I missed something, FedNow charges the sender a 4.5¢ fee per transaction up to $100K. How can anyone compete with that?

An anecdotal view:
Bank account to bank account direct transfer fees are regulated in the Euro area and are really low. (SEPA tranfers are usually free, sometimes '0.20)
But the traditional credit cards are doing just fine, as are Paypal and the other transaction leeches.
It seems that most people are driven by habit and choose what's handy.
There is certainly some shift among the higher cost options, but that seems to be driven more by convenience trends (Apple Pay) than low cost.

Jim
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