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Author: Bluehorseshoe   😊 😞
Number: of 37 
Subject: Q1
Date: 06/24/2024 4:26 PM
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Retail and wholesale sales were both down year over year so the market has not turned the corner yet apparently. Not surprising based on what I see from the consumer sales side of my employer’s business.

KMX still continues to execute their playbook well. Gross profit per retail sale remained flat at around $2,347 and was the second highest quarter on record. Wholesale gross profit per unit was $1,064 which was good enough to be their fifth highest quarter ever. They just need sales volume to return. Maybe all the disruption at dealerships with the CDK hack will push some volume their way in Q2.

They did finally repurchase over $100M of shares in the quarter which is nice to see. Hopefully they continue to increase that amount going forward. With $2.26B authorized they can get much more aggressive if they want to.

I think they could have summed up the quarter on their call pretty quickly by saying “Executing to plan. Just need volume.”

Jeff
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Author: DTB   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Q1
Date: 06/25/2024 3:47 PM
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I think they could have summed up the quarter on their call pretty quickly by saying “Executing to plan. Just need volume.”

Jeff


I agree they might have said that, but I don't see anywhere where they say just how unit retail sales falling 3.8% and wholesale units falling 8.3% year over year fits in with "executing to plan."

They say they have resumed repurchasing shares, but they only used $0.1b of their $2.26b authorized. With EPS down from last year's $1.16 (after backing out $0.28 from legal settlements) to $0.97 this year, it doesn't seem like a screaming good deal, so I guess I can understand if they are holding off with most of their dry powder. Maybe they'll get better opportunities at a lower price?

Gross profit per unit is steady (at $2347/retail sale and $1064/wholesale sale), and online contribution remains at 14%, but why the drop in volume?

They do say that the second half of the quarter showed some improvement over the first half. And falling interest rates should eventually help them a bit, too. I am still holding a 1% position, on the hope that they can resume the steady growth they were able to produce in the past, just based on their history of performance, even though I don't see how they are going to return to growth. But I don't know how long I'll keep believing in this turnaround story if they keep posting shrinking sales.

DTB
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Author: Bluehorseshoe   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Q1
Date: 06/25/2024 8:53 PM
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I agree they might have said that, but I don't see anywhere where they say just how unit retail sales falling 3.8% and wholesale units falling 8.3% year over year fits in with "executing to plan."

Unfortunately I think they are doing about the best thing they can do right now based on the used car market environment. What are they doing? Just nothing stupid… for now. They are moving CAF into the sub prime lending area which could come with all kinds of unpleasant surprises for them. That’s one to keep a close eye on.

When their CEO says vehicle affordability is their biggest headwind I believe him. My employer is a manufacturer of things and we finance them too through our captive. If you were a customer who purchased a new product from us in 2019 and you came in to purchase the same thing today, your payment would be at least 50% higher for the same item due to price increases and interest rate hikes.

If you look back at the KMX Feb 2020 report their average vehicle selling price was $20,380 and their average CAF contract rate was 7.9%. Fast forward to the latest quarter and see $26,526 and 11.4%. Translate that into everyone’s favorite 7yr note term now (insanity) and you have payments of about $285 and $420 respectively. That’s a 47% increase before taxes and insurance increases. A tough pill to swallow for your typical American family.

They could be doing a lot of dumb things right now like chasing high priced inventory and taking lower margins to keep sales volumes up and sales people happily employed. But they don’t seem to be doing that. They seem to be content to hunker down and wait for the market to heal. It could take a few quarters or a few years. I don’t pretend to have to crystal ball for that so I will let the quarterly numbers prove it out.

My position is less than 1% even including the puts I have been repeatedly selling. I actually like the put selling strategy because I don’t see a clear path for them to get volumes back up until affordability gets better. If I can sell puts with 20%+ annualized returns at an all in share price under ~$65 I’ll keep doing that for now. I’ve enjoyed learning more about their business just because it is so similar to my day job but at the same time very different due to their customer base.

Jeff
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Author: rivervalley   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Q1
Date: 06/26/2024 9:22 AM
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I'd love to learn a little bit more about your approach to put selling with KMX
What do you find to be the sweet spot in terms of time / strike vs current?
e.g. 3 months out with a strike at 60?
thanks
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Author: Bluehorseshoe   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Q1
Date: 06/26/2024 12:22 PM
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My approach to put selling is really Jim’s approach to put selling. He explains it better than I can.

https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=-2&previousPostID=2...

That post is related to BRK but the premise is the same.

I treat the put sale like a limit order on a stock I would be interested in owning at the strike minus premium received price. The added bonus versus a limit order is I receive the put premium on the sale. If the price of the stock doesn’t drop below the strike at expiration I still earn a return on my cash at risk that I was presumably happy with when I established the position. Plus my cash is still sitting in an interest bearing sweep vehicle earning ~5%.

My last put sale on KMX went like this. I sold the July 67.5 strike for $2.28 for a 24% annualized return rate if I held to expiration. I covered the position prior to the earnings call last week for $0.62, capturing $1.66 in premium for a 35% annualized return over my holding period of 30 days. All of that ignores the additional interest I’m still earning on the cash backing it. Based on the prices today it turned out not to be the optimal strategy but I’m content.

Jeff
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Author: DTB   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Q1
Date: 06/26/2024 5:19 PM
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When their CEO says vehicle affordability is their biggest headwind I believe him. My employer is a manufacturer of things and we finance them too through our captive. If you were a customer who purchased a new product from us in 2019 and you came in to purchase the same thing today, your payment would be at least 50% higher for the same item due to price increases and interest rate hikes.

If you look back at the KMX Feb 2020 report their average vehicle selling price was $20,380 and their average CAF contract rate was 7.9%. Fast forward to the latest quarter and see $26,526 and 11.4%. Translate that into everyone’s favorite 7yr note term now (insanity) and you have payments of about $285 and $420 respectively. That’s a 47% increase before taxes and insurance increases. A tough pill to swallow for your typical American family.

They could be doing a lot of dumb things right now like chasing high priced inventory and taking lower margins to keep sales volumes up and sales people happily employed. But they don’t seem to be doing that. They seem to be content to hunker down and wait for the market to heal.



If the used car markets were in a crisis because of sticker price plus higher interest rates, then I'm all in favour of a 'hunker down' approach and I will be patient.

But in the case of the used car market, for someone with constrained finances, I don't see a lot of alternatives to buying a car as cheaply as you can, meaning you buy a used car, not a new one. And when I look at used car sales month to month, like here for example: https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/used-re..., showing sales down a bit in December and January, and up in February, total up about 3% for the full 3 moths of the KMX Q1 report. That does jibe with their mention that the end of the quarter was stronger, so let's hope things keep going that way, but it doesn't really explain how KMX retail sales were down 3.8% in the same time period

In addition, although prices are up since 2020, KMX itself reports that average retail prices were down in Q1 2025 compared to the year prior, dropping from $27,258 to $26,256; wholesale prices were down even more, from $9,024 to $8,094.

And you would expect that high prices and high interest rates would cut retail sales of new vehicles even more, but that doesn't seem to have happened at all. In this report:
https://www.marklines.com/en/statistics/flash_sale..., I see used car sales up about 5-10%, year over year, for all 3 months (Dec 2023, Jan 2024 and Feb 2024).

I'm not very familiar with Auto Nation, as a comparator, but I notice their sales in Q1, for the same 3 months, are up about 1.5%.

I notice that in previous years, they boasted about market share, getting as high as 4.0%, and had a target of 5% by the end of 2025. No mention of market share in their press release, and I'm guessing they may not mention this nasty subject when the 10-Q eventually comes out.

Am I being too hard on them?

DTB
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Author: Bluehorseshoe   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Q1
Date: 06/27/2024 1:41 PM
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Am I being too hard on them?

I don’t think you’re being to hard on them. Those are all valid points.

One thing I think we want to consider when comparing them against the entire used car market is that they are only selling product in a defined range within that entire market. For example, a quick search of their entire inventory shows nothing in inventory with more than 130k miles. On the latest call they reference several times the less than 6yr old car market being pressured and the used car market shifting to the greater than 10yr old vehicle for affordability reasons. They also said the 0-4yr is their “bread and butter”. They said overall they are not having a problem sourcing inventory in general but they are challenged with sourcing older more affordable inventory that meets their “Car Max standards”.

I don’t foresee them lowering their standards much to go after the greater than 10yr market so that leaves waiting on the market to balance the price/affordability equation of less than 6yr old cars. Maybe they can tweak their algorithm and pay up for some of the higher priced product on offer but that puts their margin and turn at risk. I’m content selling puts here to see how it plays out for now.

You mentioned Auto Nation as a comparator. I’m hesitant to make a real direct comparison to anyone that is selling new autos as well. The auto makers can push a lot of discount dollars through the channel when it’s in their interest that can have a significant effect on what their dealers are doing on trade ins. KMX does not have that benefit so whatever they pay for a piece of inventory is where they are locked in. It’s definitely something to watch though because in general more new sales should take the price pressure off the used market to the benefit of KMX.

Jeff
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Author: rivervalley   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Q1
Date: 06/28/2024 10:18 AM
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Very helpful. Thank you for sharing
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