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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Joe will not be in the ballot, who
Date: 11/02/2023 10:14 AM
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Will the Dem nominee be? https://jonathanturley.org/2023/11/02/your-moneys-...
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Date: 11/02/2023 10:48 AM
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<Will the Dem nominee be?>

Morning HC!
It doesn't matter to me, anyone is better than a twice impeached, popular vote losing, insurrection leading, judge threatening, witness tampering,
disabled veteran dishonoring, inheritance squandering, language mangling, serial sexual predating, draft dodging, casino bankrupting, daughter perving,
hush-money-paying, real estate scamming, bone spur faking, justice obstructing, classified war plan thieving, golf cheating,
weather map defacing, tax-evading, evidence destroying, charity defrauding, money laundering, 91X indicted, christofacist,
who was endorsed by the "Crusader" the official newspaper of the KKK.
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anyone is better than a twice impeached, popular vote losing, insurrection leading, judge threatening, witness tampering,
disabled veteran dishonoring, inheritance squandering, language mangling, serial sexual predating, draft dodging, casino bankrupting, daughter perving,
hush-money-paying, real estate scamming, bone spur faking, justice obstructing, classified war plan thieving, golf cheating,
weather map defacing, tax-evading, evidence destroying, charity defrauding, money laundering, 91X indicted, christofacist,
who was endorsed by the "Crusader" the official newspaper of the KKK.


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Still, the orange menace had better policies, better economy, less crime. a more secure southern border, and zero wars than our current president.
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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Date: 11/02/2023 1:55 PM
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hi genius, can't Dems find a healthy, alert,fully engaged alternative to trump?
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Date: 11/02/2023 1:56 PM
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hi genius, can't Dems find a healthy, alert,fully engaged alternative to trump?

Gavin Newsom is that name. He's fresh off of running over little kids in China.
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Subject: Re: Joe will not be in the ballot, who
Date: 11/02/2023 2:28 PM
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hclasvegas: hi genius, can't Dems find a healthy, alert,fully engaged alternative to trump?

You drop a Jonathan Turley turd on the board and expect engagement?

And do you know something about Biden's health the rest of us don't know? Or is this a variation of the 'Hillary won't live to inauguration day' nonsense of 2016?

Biden seems considerably more fit, more alert, and more engaged than the morbidly obese Trump who sweats like a pig at his campaign events lately, stumbles over his words, confuses Iowa with South Dakota, thinks Hungary shares a border with Russia, said Orbán is the leader of Turkey, and blamed the wrong Bush brother for the Iraq war.
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Date: 11/02/2023 7:21 PM
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...stumbles over his words, confuses Iowa with South Dakota, thinks Hungary shares a border with Russia, said Orbán is the leader of Turkey, and blamed the wrong Bush brother for the Iraq war.

Trump may not be so much senile or dumb as he is just lazy as hell. He truly knows little about anything except how to grift, lie, cheat and steal. Oh and he is great at manipulating the low info MAGAs with his BS.
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Date: 11/03/2023 12:41 AM
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"" You drop a Jonathan Turley turd on the board and expect engagement?"" If someone believes Jeh Johnson would be a far superior Dem candidate to Biden, that makes you a trumper? Get well soon and best of luck.
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hclasvegas: If someone believes Jeh Johnson would be a far superior Dem candidate...

Because Johnson has expressed no interest in challenging president Biden, has been out of politics since the Obama administration, has almost no national name recognition these days, and Biden has the power of incumbency and the nomination is his, Turley's suggestion is an intentional distraction that, if pursued, would only strengthen Trump's chances of retaking the White House and is, therefore, nothing more than a turd in the punch bowl.
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Date: 11/03/2023 8:38 AM
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<If someone believes Jeh Johnson would be a far superior Dem candidate to Biden, that makes you a trumper?>

Morning HC!

Getting your world view from Jonathan Turley's twitter feed would likely make you a Trumper.

Have a good one!

PS

Did Turley mention this?

Donald Trump warns of World War II, mixes up Joe Biden with Barack Obama...

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-warns-co...



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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Date: 11/03/2023 9:09 AM
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'' Getting your world view from Jonathan Turley's twitter feed would likely make you a Trumper. '' good morning old bud. 2/3 of democrats who want another Dem candidate, not Biden, are all trumpers? This makes sense to you? How many times has Turley testified before Congress? Trump shouldn't be on the ballot, what does that have to do with who the Dem nominee should be? Carville is a trumper? Unbelievable , healthy happy holidays to you and yours old friend. 🍿
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The poll https://www.axios.com/2023/09/07/poll-biden-2024-s...
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<Trump shouldn't be on the ballot, what does that have to do with who the Dem nominee should be? Carville is a trumper? Unbelievable , healthy happy holidays to you and yours old friend.>

Happy Holidays to you and your family as well, all the best.

I think Commonone summed it up nicely as always, maybe you missed it...

"Because Johnson has expressed no interest in challenging president Biden, has been out of politics since the Obama administration, has almost no national name recognition these days, and Biden has the power of incumbency and the nomination is his, Turley's suggestion is an intentional distraction that, if pursued, would only strengthen Trump's chances of retaking the White House and is, therefore, nothing more than a turd in the punch bowl."

Have a great day, don't spend it staring at the ipad/phone/computer!
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Subject: Re: Joe will not be in the ballot, who
Date: 11/03/2023 9:49 AM
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The premise of this entire thread is a bit unrealistic.

Biden will be the nominee. No one credible is running against him in the primary. The reason no one credible is running against him in the primary is because none of them could beat him in a primary.

This may seem counter-intuitive. After all, so many Democrats would prefer a different candidate! But the problem is, those Democrats don't all prefer the same different candidate. They don't even prefer the same type of candidate. Some want Joe Biden, but younger; some want a more progressive candidate; some want a candidate that has a different foreign policy; some want someone with different demographics.

You can't beat someone with no one. The "generic opponent" is never on the ballot. When confronted with any candidate, most people can imagine some theoretical alternative that's more the perfect candidate for them - but when looking at a ballot with Newsome, Harris, Buttigieg, Klobluchar, Booker, Michelle Obama, or whomever else might be that theoretical candidate, none of the real world candidates is likely to do better than Biden in a primary. The "I'd prefer someone else" candidate has no negatives, no compromises, no positions on issues where there are divisions of opinion within the party. Real candidates have all those things.

And that's even before, you know, actual campaigning. Biden isn't out there spending time or resources trying to convince Democrats to support him in a primary, because there is no primary (effectively). Since he's not making the case to the base, so to speak, he's going to look especially vulnerable among Democrats. But if anyone really entered the race to fight him (like, say, a Newsome) and the campaign machinery kicked up, they'd never have a prayer.

Yeah - so Biden will be the nominee (barring the usual caveats that he might get hit by a bus or have a heart attack or something).
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Jeh is just one of many healthy alert Dems better qualified to lead our country going forward. Remember who told you, Biden will not be the Dem nominee. Pickle ball time. Have a grand day.
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Jeh is just one of many healthy alert Dems better qualified to lead our country going forward.

Are any of those other Dems running?

They can't beat Biden if they don't run. Whether there exist other Dems that you think are better qualified. The nominee will come from the field of people who have sought the nomination. If no one that can beat Biden in a primary enters the race, then Biden will be the nominee.
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Date: 11/03/2023 11:57 AM
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Gavin Newsom is making all the motions of a man running for President.
Don't discount the fact that the people who run the democrat party won't allow Biden to go forward at the convention if they think he'll lose badly.
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Gavin Newsom is making all the motions of a man running for President.

He's making all the motions of a man running for President in 2028.

A man running for President in 2024 has to file paperwork to declare their candidacy to meet state-by-state ballot deadlines. They would have to start building a campaign infrastructure to manage volunteers and fundraising and advertising and GOTV drives in several dozen states. They would have to start building a network of allies, surrogates, and consultants to do all the myriad and manifold things that have to be done to have even the possibility of winning a primary - let alone against an incumbent President.

Don't discount the fact that the people who run the democrat party won't allow Biden to go forward at the convention if they think he'll lose badly.

Who do you imagine those people are, that could tell the President not to run? Nancy Pelosi? Barack Obama? There's no one who "runs" the Democratic Party more than the sitting President. And what possible scenario could start with the President being forced not to run at the convention that ends up with the Democrats winning the 2024 election? A brand new candidate is going to start a Presidential campaign, from scratch, with no organization or fundraising or infrastructure or staff, starting on August 22? With the election taking place seventy-eight days later?
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And what possible scenario could start with the President being forced not to run at the convention that ends up with the Democrats winning the 2024 election? A brand new candidate is going to start a Presidential campaign, from scratch, with no organization or fundraising or infrastructure or staff, starting on August 22? With the election taking place seventy-eight days later?

How's Biden's health? By any objective measure he's a very old and fairly frail old man. The best campaign strategy for him is to do what he did last time, which was essentially to not campaign at all.

That worked fine against Trump last time because Trump is the living example of Never interfere with the enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself (Napoleon, I believe). But what if it's DeSantis or Nikki Haley he's up against? He'll have to hit the road and do some actual campaigning...
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If no one that can beat Biden in a primary enters the race, then Biden will be the nominee.

The President has done the calculus required to beat a MAGA to the Oval Office and the solution is Biden.... whether he wants it or not.

If there was another Dem in whom Biden had high confidence to beat a MAGA, he'd back that candidate with all his ability.

Yes, Biden is old. But, he isn't a malicious vicious vindictive rapist with a string of fraud rulings and ongoing lawsuits for a host of very serious civil crimes.
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How's Biden's health? By any objective measure he's a very old and fairly frail old man. The best campaign strategy for him is to do what he did last time, which was essentially to not campaign at all.

That worked fine against Trump last time because Trump is the living example of Never interfere with the enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself (Napoleon, I believe). But what if it's DeSantis or Nikki Haley he's up against? He'll have to hit the road and do some actual campaigning...


So what?

The reason Biden will be the candidate isn't that he lacks any possible flaws. Or even that he's the best candidate. He'll be the candidate because he's the incumbent President and no one's running against him with a chance of winning.

There's no magical person behind the curtain that has veto power over the primary results. Biden will get the most delegates because there's no other credible person on the ballot. Once he has the most delegates, he'll be the nominee because that's what the DNC and convention rules say. It's not that mysterious a process. No matter what Biden's real or perceived failings as a candidate, he'll be the nominee unless someone that can get more than a bare handful of delegates enters the process.

No one has, and no one will, so Biden will be the nominee.
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"" You drop a Jonathan Turley turd on the board and expect engagement?"" If someone believes Jeh Johnson would be a far superior Dem candidate to Biden, that makes you a trumper? Get well soon and best of luck.


You don't have to read any of Turley's views to consider him a Trumpist. All you had to do was listen to what he said and read what he wrote during Trump's first impeachment hearing, for goodness sakes. It was clear as day. And these days, whenever I read a Turley opinion piece without knowing the author initially, I always quickly say to myself....."this out-of-touch-with-reality Trump-friendly political swill sounds exactly like Turley's hand"......and it turns out that I am right.
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obviously, Joe will be giving a retirement speech ,he isn't going to lose the nomination. Watch.
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Dope1: How's Biden's health? By any objective measure he's a very old and fairly frail old man.

That statement shows just how out of touch you are with reality. How many 80-year-olds do you know who are avid bikers? Hell, how many 80-year-olds can even ride a bike? Biden is up at 7 a.m. and works out with a personal trainer for 45 minutes most mornings. He works in the Oval Office until around 7 p.m., after which he heads to the residence to have dinner with the First Lady. Most evenings he reads his briefing book before heading off to bed at 11 p.m.


Dope1: But what if it's DeSantis or Nikki Haley he's up against? He'll have to hit the road and do some actual campaigning...

Now that's hilarious. If it's not Trump, Trump will completely destroy the republican nominee who, likely, will not win more than a handful of deep south states after he gets through dragging them through the mud.
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That statement shows just how out of touch you are with reality. How many 80-year-olds do you know who are avid bikers? Hell, how many 80-year-olds can even ride a bike? Biden is up at 7 a.m. and works out with a personal trainer for 45 minutes most mornings. He works in the Oval Office until around 7 p.m., after which he heads to the residence to have dinner with the First Lady. Most evenings he reads his briefing book before heading off to bed at 11 p.m.

Oh commonone.. you didn't tell us you are on the White House waitstaff and know Biden's every move.
Do you also change Biden's colostomy bag before he goes to bed at night?
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That statement shows just how out of touch you are with reality. How many 80-year-olds do you know who are avid bikers? Hell, how many 80-year-olds can even ride a bike? Biden is up at 7 a.m. and works out with a personal trainer for 45 minutes most mornings.

LOL. You mean he gets up and works with his movement therapy person every day.

Healthy, strong people can climb stairs. Biden can't.

You really should stop gaslighting others. Although it's much more likely that you really do believe what you say, and that would be really, really sad.
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Dope1: Healthy, strong people can climb stairs.

Yeah, no one ever stumbles on stairs.

The most famous stair stumbler in the White House was Gerald Ford. He lived to be 93.

Morbidly obese Trump needed a golf cart because he couldn't walk 700 yards at the G7 in Sicily, had to take a general's arm because he couldn't walk down a ramp at West Point, and needs two hands to drink a glass of water.
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Oh commonone.. you didn't tell us you are on the White House waitstaff and know Biden's every move.
Do you also change Biden's colostomy bag before he goes to bed at night?



LM.....you are so allergic to the truth that I suggest you get in the habit of carrying around an epi-pen with you.
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Morbidly obese Trump needed a golf cart because he couldn't walk 700 yards at the G7

So? Biden still can't climb stairs without stumbling and gets confused exiting a stage. Good thing Dr Jill keeps watch over Joe rescuing him, leading him off the stage.
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He works in the Oval Office until around 7 p.m., after which he heads to the residence to have dinner with the First Lady. Most evenings he reads his briefing book before heading off to bed at 11 p.m.

Contrast with Trump the lazy ass. Who had to have briefings spoon fed to him and even then was too detached to pay attention. Who couldn't sit still to have the Constitution explained to him. All he wanted was to hear stuff about HIM and watch FOX 'news'. Just utterly worthless as a POTUS. The only thing he's ever been good at is bullshitting people, grifting and demagoguing. Biden is more qualified in EVERY WAY for the job of POTUS.
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Do you also change Biden's colostomy bag before he goes to bed at night?

We can always depend on you, LM. To be irrelevant.
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Dope: "You really should stop gaslighting others."

Dude.... gaslighting is your middle name.

Lots of healthy strong people trip. Even if Biden's age is the cause of tripping, he's still not a sociopathic lying, obese orange combed-over rapist with a string of fraud convictions who panders to the gullible with lies like yesterdays, "'All boats have to go electric. Army tanks have to go electric.' 'Think of this, they want to make our Army tanks all electric for the environment.'
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Yeah, no one ever stumbles on stairs.

LOL. You keep telling yourself that Biden is hale and hearty.
Your fellow NPC's will believe it. Nobody else does, though.
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Lots of healthy strong people trip. Even if Biden's age is the cause of tripping, he's still not a sociopathic lying, obese orange combed-over rapist with a string of fraud convictions who panders to the gullible with lies like yesterdays, "'All boats have to go electric. Army tanks have to go electric.' 'Think of this, they want to make our Army tanks all electric for the environment.' - sano

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Yeah, the lies continue. Now the orange menace is pushing another outrageous conspiracy theory, that the greenies are coming after your gas stoves! LOL.









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Biden is more qualified in EVERY WAY for the job of POTUS

Biden is more qualified in EVERY WAY for the job of
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"'All boats have to go electric. Army tanks have to go electric.' 'Think of this, they want to make our Army tanks all electric for the environment.'

Despite the fact that he is a pathological LIAR, the cult still believes him.
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Despite the fact that he is a pathological LIAR, the cult still believes him.

Yadda Yadda Yadda snooze..
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Dope: "You keep telling yourself that Biden is hale and hearty.
Your fellow NPC's will believe it. Nobody else does, though."


3 sentences = 3 lies & 3 logical fallacies. That's par for the Dope course.
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Yadda Yadda Yadda snooze..


And that encapsulates the problem!
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