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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 10:30 AM
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...while the GOP refuses to help.

On the Thursday before Christmas, President Biden called Mexico’s president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, and asked for help. The number of migrants crossing into the U.S. — about 10,000 per day — had reached the highest level of Biden’s presidency.

López Obrador responded by telling Biden to send a delegation of top officials to visit him in Mexico City. The next week, that delegation, led by Secretary of State Antony Blinken, arrived for talks. Partly in response, Mexico soon began to enforce its own immigration laws more strictly, making it harder for migrants from other countries to use Mexico as a route to the U.S.

The crackdown has made a noticeable difference, too.

Migration flows at the U.S.-Mexico border fell more than 50 percent in early January, according to data that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency released last week.
NYT

I'm sure FOX et al will be giving credit where credit is due. /s

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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 11:06 AM
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On the Thursday before Christmas, President Biden called Mexico’s president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, and asked for help.
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.The crackdown has made a noticeable difference, too


Glad to hear, but what was stopping Biden from doing this 6 months or a year ago? Not exactly hawkish.

>>Migration flows at the U.S.-Mexico border fell more than 50 percent in early January, according to data that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency released last week. NYT<<

I'm sure FOX et al will be giving credit where credit is due. - ges


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Yep, Fox has mentioned. BTW, "fell more than 50%" compared to when or what period?
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 2:34 PM
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Glad to hear, but what was stopping Biden from doing this 6 months or a year ago? Not exactly hawkish.

Blinken and Mexico’s President Discuss Migrant Surge at U.S. Border

Secretary of State Antony Blinken and other U.S. officials met with Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador to discuss the record pace of illegal border crossings. Wall Street Journal December 27, 2023

We aren't Hawkish, possibly you haven't followed the multiple contacts between Biden admin and the Mexican President - it's called diplomacy.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 3:51 PM
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Secretary of State Antony Blinken and other U.S. officials met with Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador to discuss the record pace of illegal border crossings. Wall Street Journal December 27, 2023

We aren't Hawkish, possibly you haven't followed the multiple contacts between Biden admin and the Mexican President - it's called diplomacy. - Lapsody


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OK, let me ask the question more politely so as to avoid giving you the opportunity to divert the discussion into Biden's degree of hawkishness.


I am constantly impressed how the Great Statesmen in the Biden Admin firmly operate with just the right tone, neither dovish nor hawkish, but just right to gain cooperation on the international scene. And now he has done it yet again with his success having discussions with Obrador.

Not to diminish this awesome achievement, but given its obvious benefits why didn't he conduct this diplomacy and gain these benefits a year or two ago?

The reason I ask, is that some, not me, but some of those ignorant maga republicans think Biden was fine with an open border and would not be doing anything right now if it weren't for the confluence of the eyeopening effectiveness of Operation Lonestar; his craving for Ukraine funding; and it being an election year. he is trying to shed his soft on border image.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 3:54 PM
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The reason I ask, is that some, not me, but some of those ignorant maga republicans think Biden was fine with an open border and would not be doing anything right now if it weren't for the confluence of the eyeopening effectiveness of Operation Lonestar; his craving for Ukraine funding; and it being an election year. he is trying to shed his soft on border image.

Let the gaslighting begin! *Grabs popcorn*
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 4:10 PM
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Oh, and here's video of the guys who beat on the NYPD officers. In a sane world they'd be rotting in a jail cell:

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/17531133637...

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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 4:44 PM
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Oh, and here's video of the guys who beat on the NYPD officers. In a sane world they'd be rotting in a jail cell: - Dope

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Instead of jail, these smirking arrogant punks are back at the immigrant shelter having a nice hot meal at taxpayer expense. Maybe they will hang out and play a little xbox, rest up before going back onto the streets to prey on the locals.

Life here is easy, street thugs see the target rich environment compared to the shithole they had back in Peru, a target rich environment, so why would any would be criminal not want come here?

I wonder what story those guys concocted to get through their interviews at the border?

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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 4:59 PM
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We aren't Hawkish, possibly you haven't followed the multiple contacts between Biden admin and the Mexican President - it's called diplomacy.

And we've seen what passes for diplomacy with pumpkin head: being 'in love' with Kim Jong Un; huddling secretly with Putin (what passed between those two in that ridiculous meeting?); praising every tinpot dictator he knows, etc. Yeh, he's a real diplomatic genius.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 5:05 PM
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I wonder what story those guys concocted to get through their interviews at the border?

Exactly! After all, those things are impossible to game!
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 5:11 PM
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Dope1: Oh, and here's video of the guys who beat on the NYPD officers. In a sane world they'd be rotting in a jail cell:

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/17531133637...


bighairymike: Instead of jail, these smirking arrogant punks are back at the immigrant shelter having a nice hot meal at taxpayer expense. Maybe they will hang out and play a little xbox, rest up before going back onto the streets to prey on the locals.

Dontcha' just love the law and order advocates who argue the laws should be abandoned in certain instances or for certain people but as albaby1 has explained, repeatedly, that's not the way the law works. Being accused of a crime is not the same as having been found guilty of a crime.

As the NY DA's office explained:

A spokesperson for the DA's office said it requested ROR and supervised release because this is still an ongoing investigation.

"Violence against police officers is never acceptable. It is paramount that we conclusively identified each defendant and specify each participant's role in the incident. Every defendant charged so far is facing felony charges that carry a penalty of up to seven years. This is an active, ongoing investigation. If anyone has additional information, please call 212-335-9040," the spokesperson said.


Perhaps you should be at least a little outraged at House republicans who, at the command of Orange Jesus, have dismissed the Senate immigration bill before even having an opportunity to see the legislation. Perhaps Lankford will be able to work in language that addresses this kind of criminal behavior. If he has a lick of sense he will and then stand back and watch republicans reject it.



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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 6:31 PM
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A spokesperson for the DA's office said it requested ROR and supervised release because this is still an ongoing investigation.

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The DA may as well drop the investigation, if there ever was one, because these guys will never bee seen again.

At least five of the perps gave fake names to a charity migrant assistance organization that helps migrants move out of NYC. They scammed their way onto a bus headed for California. Somewhere between NYC and CA, they will likely get off the bus, maybe in a city near you, to continue their assimilation into our country.

Here is a link, that BTW I would not be providing had I not first heard of this on Fox News. Have your approved sources covered this development?

https://www.offthepress.com/migrant-thugs-who-beat...
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/01/2024 8:18 PM
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You know what else is too bad?

All these virtue signaling blue loser cities loudly Proclaimed Their Virtue by cutting cooperation with ICE. It used to be that if you caught an illegal alien you could call the feds for pickup when they were released.

But towns like New York decided to cut ties. So this is what you get.

The left on this board will deny this ever happens and scream for links…and prove that they don’t really follow the news.
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Author: Umm 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/02/2024 7:16 AM
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"Dope1: Oh, and here's video of the guys who beat on the NYPD officers. In a sane world they'd be rotting in a jail cell:

https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/17531133637...

bighairymike: Instead of jail, these smirking arrogant punks are back at the immigrant shelter having a nice hot meal at taxpayer expense. Maybe they will hang out and play a little xbox, rest up before going back onto the streets to prey on the locals.

Dontcha' just love the law and order advocates who argue the laws should be abandoned in certain instances or for certain people but as albaby1 has explained, repeatedly, that's not the way the law works. Being accused of a crime is not the same as having been found guilty of a crime."


To be fair, neither Dope nor BHM actually believe in law and order.

Neither one was bothered when a certain cult leader regularly encouraged chants at his rallies about locking an opponent up despite a lack of evidence of actual wrong doing.

Neither one was bothered by a sitting president openly and publicly forcing his Attorney General to open an investigation into his political opponents that resulted in no major convictions (outside of a single minor person that no one cared about on a minor technicality) that was clearly nothing more than political retribution.

Yet when that same cult leader is investigated, has the evidence against him shown to a grand jury, and accused of a crime and is awaiting a criminal trial, they think it is nothing more than a witch hunt.

I often wonder what the phrase "law and order" really means to them.

I genuinely believe that they think "law and order" means harassing your political opponents with legal investigations while ignoring criminal activity by their own side. It fits the facts.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/02/2024 10:19 AM
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Mike, cut the snark if you want to ask questions.

Why didn’t Trump do anything in 2019? Why didn't Trump get Congress to address immigration instead of giving away money to billionaires?

Ok, you are aware that Point of Entries got shut down to get the Mexican Presidents cooperation recently? Look at the rest of the meetings. And this isn’t everything. Are your friends interested in foreign affairs? Perhaps their sources don't give at least blurbs to meetings with Mexico by Biden Admin. Perhaps they write articles that disfavor Biden and don't give a decent picture. And perhaps they're only interested in sensational stories about the border, but they should know about the recent shut down.



December 21, 2023 WASHINGTON (AP) — A delegation of top U.S. officials is expected to visit Mexico soon as negotiations over how to enforce immigration rules at the two countries’ shared border continue on Capitol Hill.

December 22, 2023 MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico’s president said Friday that he is willing to help out with a surge of migrants that led to the closure of border crossings with the United States, but he wants the U.S. government to open talks with Cuba and send more development aid to migrants’ home countries. (Cuba and development aid are good for his image in Latin America)

López Obrador confirmed that U.S. officials want Mexico to do more to block migrants at its southern border with Guatemala, or make it more difficult to move across Mexico by train or in trucks or buses, a policy known as “contention.”

November 17, 2023 President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. met today with President Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico, in San Francisco, California. The two leaders reaffirmed the U.S.-Mexico relationship as a consequential strategic partnership that spans the full spectrum of national and homeland security interests ranging from economic competitiveness and climate change to citizen security and migration management.

President Biden recognized the essential partnership that we have built with Mexico to manage unprecedented levels of migration across the Western Hemisphere. With regard to enforcement, President Biden thanked President López Obrador for sustaining his effective containment operations and joining the United States in repatriating individuals who do not have a legal basis through which to remain in our countries. This is critical to deterring irregular migration to our shared border. The United States has conducted a record number of removals this year, and most recently restarted removal flights to Venezuela. The leaders discussed the need for all countries in the region to do their part to humanely manage migration, and they agreed to work together to address the actions that Nicaragua and certain private sector entities are taking to facilitate irregular migration for profit. The United States is currently exploring options within our legal framework to penalize this activity

The leaders also discussed their joint commitment to address the root causes of migration across the Western Hemisphere and to expand lawful pathways for migration. On the topic of root causes, both leaders expressed concern about efforts to undermine the electoral process in Guatemala. …. President Biden recognized steps that Mexico is taking to expand access to legal pathways including work visas inside Mexico, particularly for Central Americans. The two leaders agreed to sustain and expand the close cooperation that we have achieved in managing migration in the Western Hemisphere. This work is at the heart of the Los Angeles Declaration on Migration and Protection.

Irregular Migration: Movement of persons to a new place of residence or transit that takes place outside the regulatory norms of the sending, transit and receiving countries.

May 02, 2023 Today, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico and U.S. Homeland Security Advisor Dr. Elizabeth Sherwood-Randall met in Mexico City to build on the successful migration initiative that President López Obrador and President Biden announced in January 2023. Following that meeting, the United States and Mexico are announcing a set of additional measures to address the humanitarian situation caused by unprecedented migration flows at our shared border and in the region.

12-20-2022 President Joe Biden will travel to Mexico next month to meet with Andrés Manuel López Obrador.
Biden will be in Mexico City on Jan. 9-10 for the North American Leaders’ Summit, National Security Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby confirmed Tuesday. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is also expected to attend.
The announcement comes amid a surge in migrants that has taxed border communities. Local authorities worry resources will be strained further if the U.S. lifts the Title 42 health order that allowed the Biden administration to expedite the removal of migrants throughout the pandemic.


July 12, 2022 WASHINGTON — …President Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico joined Mr. Biden at the White House on Tuesday … the United States needs to slow mass migration and bolster economic ties.


November 19, 2021 President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. met yesterday with President Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico to reaffirm our strong ties with Mexico across a wide range of priorities, including economic cooperation, global challenges such as the COVID-19 pandemic and climate crisis, migration and development, and security.

In view of the complex and unprecedented regional challenges of migration, President Biden and President López Obrador announced a joint investment that that will allow Mexico and the United States to address together the root causes of migration in Central America and sustainably increase incomes for small farmers and reduce deforestation in southern Mexico. The programs will benefit 540,000 people. Both leaders also noted the importance of investigating and prosecuting human traffickers. The leaders also committed to work jointly to engage with other partners in the Americas on this regional challenge through pursuit of a bold new regional compact on migration and protection.





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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/02/2024 10:32 AM
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Oh, Lapsody, you and your pesky FACTS.

MAGAs are allergic to facts.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/02/2024 11:46 AM
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And just to finish the libs off, here's a lovely segment from one of their approved state media sources. Let's note that they've also pretty much shut up not that it's been confirmed the New York people were illegals, as Fox got right and their approved sources tried to cover up:

https://twitter.com/briannalyman2/status/175341017...

MILLER: These individuals, I went over their rap sheets yesterday, multiple charges, grand larceny, robbery, attempted robbery, grand larceny, grand larceny. This particular crew operated on mopeds and scooters. They were doing organized retail theft, they were doing snatches on the street. iPhones, iPads, clothing, so on and so forth. One of them that they are still seeking has ten charges in one day because he's part of a pattern that's been going on.

And I'm looking at the dates that their arrests started, which is probably close to when they got here. They've only been here a couple of months. So what the detectives are telling me is they have crews here that operate in New York, do all their stealing, then go to Florida to spend the money and come back, and I’m like, "Why don’t they just stay and steal in Florida?" They said, "Because there you go to jail."

HILL: Oh...


Organized retail theft. The left claims this never happens.
People hanging out in blue cities because they don't punish crimes. The left claims this isn't a thing.

Take the L gang. You've earned it.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/02/2024 11:55 AM
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Mike, cut the snark if you want to ask questions. - Lapsody

C'mon. Snark inserts a little fun into the conversation. And done well, it can help to illustrate a point in a more entertaining way than to read over and over again, worn out terms like "orange menace" or its many variations.


Why didn’t Trump do anything in 2019? Why didn't Trump get Congress to address immigration instead of giving away money to billionaires?

He did quite a bit, as the voters are telling you, rather loudly these days. And Trump's border accomplishments were done in the face of overwhelming resistance put up by the dems, the MSM, and the Swamp, and the RINO's (almost forgot them).


Ok, you are aware that Point of Entries got shut down to get the Mexican Presidents cooperation recently? Look at the rest of the meetings. And this isn’t everything. Are your friends interested in foreign affairs? Perhaps their sources don't give at least blurbs to meetings with Mexico by Biden Admin. Perhaps they write articles that disfavor Biden and don't give a decent picture. And perhaps they're only interested in sensational stories about the border, but they should know about the recent shut down.

OK, I do acknowledge Biden has done something recently. And I am glad for it, and to the extent it reduces flow is a good accomplishment and Biden deserves credit.

However, lets get back to the original contention, that Biden, despite this late 2023 accomplishment, has earned a reputation of being soft on the the border. You are asserting that Biden's recent accomplishment establishes that Biden is not Mr. Softie.

To which I reply, "While beneficial, this recent accomplishment does not establish that Biden as a tough on border guy. If he was, Biden would have done this sooner and without needing Ukraine leverage to get him to do so. Up to now, Biden's border accomplishments are largely the 80 or so EO's he issued, tearing down Trump's border policies, not exactly supportive of the picture you are trying to paint. Biden is soft on the border, he ran on that premise, and kept his promise, own it."

NPR, an approved liberal source <more snark, sorry>

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/14/912060869/biden-ple...

Biden Pledges To Dismantle Trump's Sweeping Immigration Changes — But Can He Do That?

bhm answers the question posed by NPR!!! YES, he can. <<< more snark, it's a sickness..



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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/03/2024 10:59 AM
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BHM: "Snark inserts a little fun into the conversation. And done well, it can help to illustrate a point in a more entertaining way"

Key point is 'if done well.'

That goes for all kinds of humor.

Unfortunately many right wingers are only capable of humor that is mean (at the expense of others), based on partisan misinformation, and often aimed at those who cannot respond.

Rush Limbaugh was expert at it. Trump took it to another level blending in the 'tough guy' exhortations he seemed to learn in the wrestling rings with Vince McMahon.

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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/03/2024 2:06 PM
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Unfortunately many right wingers are only capable of humor that is mean (at the expense of others), based on partisan misinformation, and often aimed at those who cannot respond.

Rush Limbaugh was expert at it. Trump took it to another level blending in the 'tough guy' exhortations he seemed to learn in the wrestling rings with Vince McMahon. - sano


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Yeah, Trump with McMahon is just too showy. I prefer the down home neighborhood feel of Biden's tough guy image, taking a chain up to the side of Cornpop's head.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden does what he can...
Date: 02/03/2024 2:10 PM
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LOL. How many tough guy BS stories does Biden tell? You’d think he was a UFC champ instead of merely an All-American flanker back at Delaware.
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