Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy
No. of Recommendations: 5
My father-in-law flew in B-24s. Shot down over Germany on his second mission and was POW for the last 8 months of the war. Bailed out and when he hit the ground was beaten by the locals with shovels and axe handles. Was saved by a older gentleman who claimed him as a POW. Four of the crew went down with the plane and died. One of the five that bailed out was summarily executed by a German soldier (after the war that soldier was hung as a war criminal).
James is still going at 100 years old and proudly voted for Harris this last week.
My own father served with an Army Air Corps aerial reconnaissance outfit in the Pacific Theater. He's passed away at age 85.
Never forget that Trump called those who served and died in defending our nation 'losers and suckers'.
"A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them,'" Kelly said of Trump. "A person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because ‘it doesn’t look good for me.’ A person who demonstrated open contempt for a Gold Star family — for all Gold Star families — on TV during the 2016 campaign, and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in America’s defense are ‘losers’ and wouldn’t visit their graves in France.”
Tell me what has happened to our nation, that his worthless narcissistic POS got elected to lead us. How?
No. of Recommendations: 3
Tell me what has happened to our nation, that his worthless narcissistic POS got elected to lead us. How? - ges
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Over and over this question has been asked and answered. The majority of voters are more concerned about the economy, crime, and border security. And you side responds bbbut... bbutt Trump is evil Hitler. And you have your reasons for believing that is paramount. You just need to accept that is a minority opinion. Own it.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Over and over this question has been asked and answered. The majority of voters are more concerned about the economy, crime, and border security. And you side responds bbbut... bbutt Trump is evil Hitler. And you have your reasons for believing that is paramount. You just need to accept that is a minority opinion. Own it.
This. They forgot that elections are ultimately about issues that voters care about and the democrats went out of their way to ignore Bill Clinton's team's advice: "It's the economy, stupid". I knew we were in better shape when they started trying to play the "but real wages are rising faster than inflation" thing - when you have to try to explain why you don't suck using numbers that you have to squint at...you're not winning the argument.
The left did that and tried to gaslight everyone on how badly a job Team Biden was doing all over the place. They either really believed that or figured they'd lie about it while also thinking that if they chanted HITLER enough that people would vote for more of the same...
...and it didn't happen.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Tell me what has happened to our nation, that his worthless narcissistic POS got elected to lead us. How?
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I TRIED.
I TRIED MANY TIMES ON TMF.
Now, it doesn't matter - it's done.
Well after he is out of power.
Thing is you people dont realize still - that he is a SYMPTOM od the problem - not the cause of the problem.
And Smug Sheeples and 401K'ers dont want to listen nor even ponder that fact.
Hence, enjoy the show now.
I've been doing it for years and I'm getting the free popcorn refill package because man, this is still the good o'days.
The real fun has yet to begin.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Tell me what has happened to our nation, that his worthless narcissistic POS got elected to lead us. How?
Very simple. Because the opposition considered him to be a "literal hitler". If anyone you don't like much is "literal hitler", then nobody is "literal hitler", and your arguments are then summarily dismissed. Maybe a little hyperbole works in politics, but extreme hyperbole doesn't.
No. of Recommendations: 4
When Trump said "I'm not Hitler", he had to say that for a reason. Call him Hitler=light if you like. He's a corrupt scumbag.
No. of Recommendations: 6
No. of Recommendations: 3
The majority of voters are more concerned about the economy, crime, and border security.
Then why would you vote for the convicted felon? Border security is the only one that the convict made a difference (and it was inhumane, mostly, and often struck down by the courts). You have made those three talking points, and we have given you data "over and over" that indicate you were wrong. Apparently you dismissed it, or that wasn't really your reason.
I will agree that an evil/criminal candidate is paramount. And, apparently, I'm in the minority in considering that disqualifying. And I will proudly declare that I never voted for a known rapist or convicted felon (from any party). As recently as maybe 20 years ago, I would have been in the majority in regarding that as disqualifying.
No. of Recommendations: 4
Maybe a little hyperbole works in politics, but extreme hyperbole doesn't
Sure it does.
It just takes more time in some places to manifest in the daily lives of the people.
We are seeing history repeat itself.
No. of Recommendations: 5
He's a corrupt scumbag.
With dictatorial ambitions. That's one reason why he has earned the Hitler comparisons. There are plenty more reasons, as has been pointed out many times.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Then why would you vote for the guy who's about to have all his bogus convictions vacated?Fixed that for you. Because he was by far the better choice, with a proven track record in office.
You have made those three talking points, and we have given you data "over and over" that indicate you were wrong.You know, in the face of such a defeat across the board and up and down the ballot, perhaps some questioning of your assumptions are in order.
Let's look at California. The left likes to chant "there is no crime crisis", but would Californians agree with that?
Prop 36 - passed by something like
70% to 30%Chesa Boudin, progressive San Francisco DA? Recalled in 2022.
George Gascón, progressive LA DA?
Lost by close to 20 points.
Oakland Mayor Sheng Thao? Recalled over crime concerns.
She lost by over 20 points.
Alameda County DA Pamela Price? Recalled over crime concerns.
She lost by 30 points.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oakland-mayor-an...So if there's no crime crisis, why is true-blue California massively stiffening penalties that had been massively relaxed and why are they recalling mayors and DA's?
No. of Recommendations: 1
With dictatorial ambitions. That's one reason why he has earned the Hitler comparisons. There are plenty more reasons, as has been pointed out many times.
One area where Trump and Hitler differ: Hitler like dogs.
No. of Recommendations: 0
So here's some Trump rhetoric (took about 2 minutes to find this, have no doubt that there are many more extreme quotes that he's spoken. I heard him make these statements, no "fake media" somehow corrupting his speech. Do you consider this stuff extreme rhetoric ??
Yes, pretty much all Trump says is extreme rhetoric. Do you consider extreme rhetoric to be "literal hitler"?
No. of Recommendations: 13
Yes, pretty much all Trump says is extreme rhetoric. Do you consider extreme rhetoric to be "literal hitler"?
Get back to us a month or two after the inauguration and tell us again how Trump isn’t Hitler.
Better yet, read Mein Kampf and tell us how the tone of Hitler’s rhetoric before he took powe differs substantially from Trump’s.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Get back to us a month or two after the inauguration and tell us again how Trump isn’t Hitler.
Did something notable happen in Feb/Mar of 2017???
No. of Recommendations: 7
Do you consider extreme rhetoric to be "literal hitler"
“When people show you who they are, believe them” - Maya Angelou.
Though "literal Hitler" is a very poor way of speaking on several levels. For one, it misuses the word "literal".
No. of Recommendations: 2
Yes, pretty much all Trump says is extreme rhetoric. Do you consider extreme rhetoric to be "literal hitler"?
Hitler began with extreme rhetoric.
'It's just extreme rhetoric', they all said.
No. of Recommendations: 5
Did something notable happen in Feb/Mar of 2017???
What the flock, dude?
Did something happen in 1932, 1933, 1934, .....1939, 1940,1941...
'You'll be fine', they said. It's just rhetoric.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Yes, pretty much all Trump says is extreme rhetoric. Do you consider extreme rhetoric to be "literal hitler"?
Nobody but Hitler is 'literal Hitler'. But Trump definitely has fascistic tendencies; authoritarian if you prefer. He sure as hell doesn't fit with the long history of our Republic's POTUS's.
We get to see if our vaunted 'separation of powers' can hold up.
No. of Recommendations: 12
Did something notable happen in Feb/Mar of 2017???
Yes, we elected one of the absolute worst, most unqualified Presidents we've ever had. But he had some constraints in the form of decent people in his administration. Over the course of 4 years he did everything he could to get rid of those good people and put sycophants in their place. This time he intends to start with nothing but overly ambitious ass-kissers. And to turn a merit based civil service into a really corrupt spoils system. He's told us all this. Are you listening?
No. of Recommendations: 4
Did something notable happen in Feb/Mar of 2017???
Something very notable happened in Feb\March of 2017. After eschewing any semblance of a transition, Trump frenetically staffed his White House- with several people who proved to be guardrails of democracy- Rex Tillerson, Jeff Sessions, jim Mattis to name a few. John Kelly and John Bolton came later, and there were also those loyal to the Constitution in the Justice Department, and lest we forget, in that last critical moment, there was Mike Pence. And of course, there were others.
Those Constitutional loyalists were all that stood between Trump and his worst impulses, and many of these have told us what some of those worst impulses looked like.
And of course, we’ve heard those worst impulses from Trump’s own mouth and revealed in his Truth Social screeds.
This time, there will not be any Constitutional loyalists in his administration. We know this because he’s told us there won’t be. No guardrails either. And the bought and paid for Supreme Court has ruled he can crime all he wants to, if such crimes are committed as part of his official duties.
This time it will be Trump loyalists, all the way down.
No. of Recommendations: 2
This time it will be Trump loyalists, all the way down.
Jobs open to those without a shred of integrity. All you need is naked ambition.
No. of Recommendations: 14
"literal Hitler".
The first step in a dishonest rebuttal is to falsify what your opponent is saying.
I really haven’t seen the term “literal Hitler” used very much.
I’ve seen and used the phrase “following Hitler’s playbook” recently, and though I’ve drawn comparisons between Trump and Hitler, I’ve shied away from calling Trump a “literal Hitler”, for obvious reasons.
Anne Applebaum, Ruth ben Ghiat aand other scholars who study authoritarian leaders prefer the term “authoritarian, and more specifically as regards SOME authoritarian leaders- “fascist”. Trump fits easily into the first category and seems also to fit in the second. For myself, I have no trouble calling him an authoritarian and a fascist, and with his recent demonization of immigrants, and his talk about retribution against his political enemies, he’s beginning to resemble Hitler more and more.
Is he a “literal Hitler?” Certainly not. That’s sloppy language, and I really can’t point to any extensive use of the term,
So Mark’s charge is a red herring- as if to destroy the term “Literal Hitler” somehow gets Tump off the hook for most essentially being an authoritarian….. and most likely a fascist as well.
No. of Recommendations: 1
This time he intends to ...
Get back to us a month or two after the inauguration and tell us again how Trump isn’t Hitler.
Okay, so this time is different. Well, Feb/Mar 2025 isn't so long from now, we can reconvene here and determine if he's "literal hitler" yet at that time.
No. of Recommendations: 1
So Mark’s charge is a red herring- as if to destroy the term “Literal Hitler” somehow gets Tump off the hook for most essentially being an authoritarian….. and most likely a fascist as well.You obviously aren't following the conversation. I am in no way trying to "get Trump off the hook" for anything. If you look at my only assertion*, it is solely that the reason us Democrats lost this election is because of the overuse of extreme hyperbole against the opponent, instead of using reasoned policy explanations.
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https://www.shrewdm.com/MB?pid=46100346
No. of Recommendations: 0
What does Trump have to do to be Hitler?
Look the other way when Jewish students are harassed at universities?
Stay quiet when Jews are - at this minute - being attacked in Amsterdam?
That would mean Hitler is a sheeple that posts on this board.
No. of Recommendations: 2
I’ve shied away from calling Trump a “literal Hitler”, for obvious reasons.
What about your compatriots here? Have they shied away from that?
How about the media?
No. of Recommendations: 6
If you look at my only assertion*, it is solely that the reason us Democrats lost this election is because of the overuse of extreme hyperbole against the opponent, instead of using reasoned policy explanations.
Fair enough, but "reasoned policy explanations" don't begin to address the pathology of Donald Trump.
And yes, there has been extreme hyperbole. Pick any of Trump's speeches over the past three months. They're filled with hyperbole and flat-out lies about immigrants, Democrats, some Republicans and anyone who dares disagree with him.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Have the HitlerItes -- been as loud about Amsterdam riots and "Jew Hunting" as they were about "VIKTOR ORBAN!"?
CRICKETS.
No. of Recommendations: 1
we can reconvene here and determine if he's "literal hitler" yet at that time.
OK, drop the 'literal'.
No. of Recommendations: 8
So Mark’s charge is a red herring- as if to destroy the term “Literal Hitler” somehow gets Trump off the hook for most essentially being an authoritarian….. and most likely a fascist as well.
..and Trump's a blatant racist. Note that he laments that we don't have a lot of immigrants form 'good countries like Norway, instead of "shithole" countries like Congo."
He rails against gangs from Latin American and predominantly black countries, but not one flocking word about the Russian mafia, Italian mafia...
The only time he denigrates Neo-nazis is when he is asked to comment on a Neo-nazi event. His comment is a wishy-washy denial that he supports them.
The votes he got from an increased number of black and latino americans is a testament to the 'all men are created equal' cliche. All men are equally susceptible to a con artist who peddles fear, loathing and hatred of others.
No. of Recommendations: 14
Nobody but Hitler is 'literal Hitler'.
Heck, I would argue that even Hitler himself wasn't always a "literal Hitler" in the sense that I think it was meant here. It depends what era of Hitler you are talking about.
Hitler 1930 presented a different face than Hitler 1942. Most of the Hitler comparisons for Trump I would say have been people comparing him to Hitler's rise to power, using the same "playbook", having the same type of aspirations. Not that he is (yet) committing all of the same atrocities and (yet) commanding the same level of power. But moving in that direction in a way that makes many of us very uncomfortable.
