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Author: 38Packard   😊 😞
Number: of 116 
Subject: Today is the day
Date: 02/14/2023 7:41 AM
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From Upstart's website:

SAN MATEO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 17, 2023-- Upstart Holdings, Inc. (NASDAQ: UPST), a leading artificial intelligence (AI) lending marketplace, announced today that its fourth quarter and fiscal year 2022 business and financial results will be released on Tuesday, February 14, 2023 after the market close. Upstart will host a conference call and live webcast that day at 1:30 p.m. PT / 4:30 p.m. ET. Prior to the conference call, the fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings press release and investor presentation will be available on Upstart's investor relations website at ir.upstart.com.

Any predictions? The stock has been all over the place lately.

'38Packard
==> Just noticed that Upstart is NOT licensed in MA - Interesting...
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Author: BenSolar   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Today is the day
Date: 02/15/2023 3:35 PM
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Well, at 3:20 today, UPST is up about 28%. Which is fairly odd, because at first glance the financial numbers they reported are frikking terrible.

Here's the earnings PR: https://ir.upstart.com/static-files/e50d8cc6-9424-...
Here's the earnings presentation: https://ir.upstart.com/static-files/f5c4ba15-883b-...
Here's a transcript of the earnings call: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4578373-upstart-h...

From the PR:
Fourth Quarter 'highlights':
"
Total revenue was $147 million, a decrease of 52% from the fourth quarter of 2021.
...
GAAP net income (loss) was ($55.3) million, down from $58.9 million in the fourth quarter of 2021. Adjusted net income (loss) was ($20.9) million, down from $87.0 million in the same quarter of the prior year.
"
Brutal, and getting worse for the present quarter:
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For the first quarter of 2023, Upstart expects:
Revenue of approximately $100 million
...
Net Income (Loss) of approximately ($145) million
"

Looking at the presentation and reading the transcript of the earnings call, the company officers acknowledge the brutal reality of how bad things are at present, but present an optimistic take on the future, saying:
- signs are pointing to the worst being behind them,
- they've trimmed the company to better fit current conditions with the layoffs announced a couple weeks ago, which leaves them well prepared to profit when the macro environment turns around,
- they are in 'advanced' talks with potential partners for a more stable long term commitment of loan funding sources,
- they've continued to expand the number of partners using their technology, banks, credit unions and auto dealers,
- their technology has continued to rapidly improved, both in terms of accurate assessment of risk and automation of loan approval.

They said that after the costs of the layoffs are absorbed they should be roughly breaking even in today's macro environment, and they have a robust balance sheet.

So, I guess there were enough positives presented that shorts are covering and some people are making some bets/investments.

I don't see anything that changes my investment/speculation thesis for the long term, though the scale of the contraction and losses is quite large. They still seem to have a bright future when the macro turns around and an immense potential market to serve.
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Author: earslookin   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Today is the day
Date: 02/15/2023 4:15 PM
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They said that after the costs of the layoffs are absorbed they should be roughly
breaking even in today's macro environment, and they have a robust balance sheet.


After reviewing yesterday's results and listening to the call, I'm less convinced about
both these things. I need to update my model to see if it tells me anything more. If I
get off my butt and do so, I'll plan to share.

Ears <long UPST>
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Author: BenSolar   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Today is the day
Date: 02/16/2023 2:24 PM
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"They said that after the costs of the layoffs are absorbed they should be roughly
breaking even in today's macro environment, and they have a robust balance sheet."

After reviewing yesterday's results and listening to the call, I'm less convinced about
both these things. I need to update my model to see if it tells me anything more. If I
get off my butt and do so, I'll plan to share.


I would love to see your analysis. I am also skeptical that they would actually be breaking even in today's macro environment if it holds steady the rest of the year. They'll have to show me huge improvements for me to believe that.

How one judges their balance sheet seems to key on how one assesses the value of their loans held.

Main assets:
$422m cash
$110m restricted cash
$1,010m loans at what they call fair value

Main liabilities:
$986m borrowings.

There are various other assets and liabilities which net out at ~$120m positive net value. Goodwill and intangible assets are about $83m of those other assets lumped together, so if we ignore those it nets out at +$37m, pretty inconsequential.

The $1.01 billion in loans they have on their books at the moment could increase or decrease in value depending on what prevailing interest rates do. If we assume interest rates have roughly peaked and will take a while to come down, then the value should be fairly stable for the next year. If the economy tanks into a recession and the default rate on the loans goes up beyond what they're currently expecting, then the value goes down, but at the same time interest rates could be expected to decrease in such an environment for a counteracting force.

A pessimistic take on their balance sheet might write off the loans and the restricted cash against the borrowings, leaving them with $422m cash. That should be enough to ensure they don't go broke in the coming year, given the austerity measures already taken and that we've already devalued the loans significantly in this approach.
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Author: earslookin   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Today is the day
Date: 02/16/2023 4:37 PM
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I like your thought process and your take on the balance sheet.

My concerns about the balance sheet have to do with things I
haven't figured out yet: trying to understand scenarios for
cash burn for the coming year and their impact on the balance
sheet and trying to better understand the covenants associated
with the $661 million in convertible notes and if those covenants
pose any threat if the business deteriorates.

Of the two, getting a handle on cash burn is key for me. It's
not comforting that they've already used up $178 million in cash
on buybacks and $40 million in cash for the investment in Tala.
Of course, they did Tala when things were rosier.



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Author: BenSolar   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Today is the day
Date: 02/16/2023 6:48 PM
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It's not comforting that they've already used up $178 million in cash
on buybacks


Agreed. Not a good look for a company hemorrhaging massive operating cash flow to be buying back mega-bucks of stock.
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