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Author: WendyBG 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: World’s Trade Map, Minus the U.S
Date: 07/13/2025 1:07 PM
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The arbitrary and unpredictable imposition of very high tariffs on U.S. trading partners is forcing them to react.


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American Allies Want to Redraw the World’s Trade Map, Minus the U.S.

Facing growing chaos, the European Union and numerous other countries are seeking to forge a global trading nexus that is less vulnerable to American tariffs.
American Allies Want to Redraw the World’s Trade Map, Minus the U.S.

Facing growing chaos, the European Union and numerous other countries are seeking to forge a global trading nexus that is less vulnerable to American tariffs.
By Jeanna Smialek, The New York Times, July 13, 2025

Trade chaos is forcing America’s allies closer together, and further from the United States. And as that happens, the European Union is trying to position itself at the center of a new global trade map.

The bloc learned this weekend that Washington would subject it to 30 percent tariffs starting Aug. 1… Mr. Trump simultaneously announced that he would place a similar tariff on goods from Mexico. Canada’s rate is slightly higher, at 35 percent. The likes of Thailand (35 percent), Bangladesh (35 percent) and Brazil (50 percent), along with dozens of other U.S. trading partners, appear to be headed for a similar fate…

Mr. Trump has backed down from threatened tariffs before, and he has indicated a willingness to negotiate these tariffs down before their Aug. 1 effective date — and the European Union and other economies are poised to continue with negotiations.

But the atmosphere is increasingly hostile…

On one side, the United States sows uncertainty as it blows up weeks of painstaking negotiations and escalates tariff threats. On the other, the 27-nation European Union and other American trading partners are forging closer ties, laying the groundwork for a global trading system that revolves less and less around an increasingly fickle United States…
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The rest of the article describes possible combinations that exclude the U.S. and China. The U.S. because of unpredictability and China because of dumping.

Last week, Trump imposed a 50% tariff on copper in addition to his 25%-50% tariff on steel and aluminum products. So-called “Dr. Copper” is a key industrial and construction commodity whose price usually indicates the activity in an economy. But the upcoming tariff has caused a price spike due to anticipatory hoarding. The U.S. could increase domestic production but that would take years (as well as dropping environmental regulations). The higher price of copper will provoke inflation. Silver is also rising.

The stock market is ignoring the trade war and Federal Reserve intransigence and is enthusiastically melting up. I guess that is the “TACO” trade that expects Trump to drop the tariffs and also front-running the Fed.

The trade is risk-on as SPX and junk bonds are rising faster than the 10 year Treasury. The Greed & Risk Index is in Extreme Greed. The SPX is in a historic bubble with the Cyclically Adjusted P/E Ratio more than double its historic median.

Treasury yields are stable with a little noise. The yield curve is positive. The 10 year Treasury real yield has been hovering just under 2% since November 2022.

The Chicago Fed’s National Financial Conditions Index (NFCI), which provides a comprehensive weekly update on U.S. financial conditions in money markets, debt and equity markets, and the traditional and “shadow” banking systems, is loose and getting looser. There’s plenty of liquidity sloshing around the system. The M2 money supply is rising despite the contraction in 2022-2023 due to the Fed’s QT and higher interest rates.

The high money supply is driving asset prices higher and encouraging a silly season where stocks of companies running a loss are rising, SPACs are opening and crypto currencies are selling.

Oil is rising but natgas is stable. USD continued its drop since January 2025.

The Atlanta Fed’s GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the second quarter of 2025 was 2.6 percent on July 9. This is a nice, sustainable rate of growth.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/economists-see-lower-r...

Economists See Lower Recession Risk and Stronger Job Growth: WSJ Survey
Forecasters nudge up growth, trim inflation estimates as tariffs prove lower, less costly than expected in April.

By Paul Kiernan and Anthony DeBarros, The Wall Street Journal, July 12, 2025


The improved outlook follows three months of generally encouraging economic data. Job growth averaged 150,000 in the past three months, better than projected in April, and the unemployment rate dipped to 4.1% in June from 4.2% in May, staying within its range of the past year…
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Of course, the inflation outlook isn’t really applicable since the latest survey doesn’t include the tariffs which will supposedly hit on August 1.

The Cleveland Fed’s inflation Nowcast shows rising inflation which is well above the Fed’s goal of 2%.

Quarterly annualized percent change
Quarter 	CPI 	Core CPI 	PCE 	Core PCE 	Updated
2025:Q2 1.60 2.07 1.76 2.22 07/11
2025:Q3 2.37 2.74 2.31 2.64 07/11

The Fed did not drop the fed funds rate in July. The options market expects a quarter percent cut in September and definitely by October. But the numbers don’t support a change. The fed funds rate is neutral since it isn’t changing either GDP growth or unemployment.

Will Fed Chair Powell hang tough despite President Trump’s pressure to decrease the fed funds rate? Time will tell..but I think he will because his legacy depends on it.

The METAR, which is a short-term forecast, is sunny.

The longer-term forecast is completely uncertain because U.S. trade policy may impel the world to create an anti-U.S. trading system.

Wendy
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Author: jerryab   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: World’s Trade Map, Minus the U.S
Date: 07/13/2025 6:02 PM
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TACO.
TACO.
TACO.

When the economy craters, it will be TACO TIME AGAIN !!!

Spankee loses control if the economy goes into the toilet--which it will--WITHOUT TACO !!!
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Subject: Re: World’s Trade Map, Minus the U.S
Date: 07/14/2025 1:56 PM
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When the economy craters, it will be TACO TIME AGAIN !!!

If if true, that might not help things. Yes, he might blow out the matches, but the house is already on fire.

No matter how much Mr Trump de-escalates, it seems certain that US tariffs will settle at average rates very much higher than they have been historically, which hurts the US economy directly. It seems pretty certain they will also be more changeable and more uneven and economically distorting. Plus the erosion of trust and predictability will hurt all economies for many years to come.

If you buy something imported for $100 that you could only get made locally for $110, you and your country as a whole are $10 better off. Mr Trump sees that as a straight up loss due to theft of $100, and nothing and no-one can ever persuade him otherwise. Consequently he will never fully chicken out or back off, since every tariff is (in his eyes) stopping ongoing theft that is hurting the US economy, meaning the bigger the better.

Jim
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Author: jerryab   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: World’s Trade Map, Minus the U.S
Date: 07/14/2025 2:44 PM
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he will never fully chicken out or back off, since every tariff is (in his eyes) stopping ongoing theft that is hurting the US economy, meaning the bigger the better.

When the economy quickly craters (given the *current* tariff stupidity), Spankee loses control. Both literally and figuratively.

Impose 25000% tariffs on all golf equipment and supplies (except items used for miniature golf). Then he declares "golf is not the same as the real economy" (or something similar).
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Author: Baltassar   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: World’s Trade Map, Minus the U.S
Date: 07/14/2025 7:21 PM
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Mungofitch wrote:

it seems certain that US tariffs will settle at average rates very much higher than they have been historically

I agree. But I wonder if "settle" might be optimistic. At the moment nobody can talk about the world economy without reference to whatever Trump just said about tariffs. I don't see him letting that go.

Baltassar
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Subject: Re: World’s Trade Map, Minus the U.S
Date: 07/15/2025 4:43 AM
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Trump treats everything like a reality show. He announces that he will say something important days ahead like news reports who tease t tune back in after an advertisement to get an important story. He chooses cabinet secretaries because they look good on TV and, because they are likely incompetent, the only way they can hold their jobs is to be loyal to the pitch of the day (good, bad or ugly). The world is being conned into believing that he is serious about nuance (most of which is nonsensical posturing) rather than his ultimate goals. He sets "deadlines" to keep the story in the news and then, when reached, simply moves the goal posts, rinses and repeats. I would say his biggest punishment would be if people were apathetic towards him, but that would mean not having a clue about the damage caused by the chaos of his chosen actors.

To him, this is all a game, but to the rest of the country/world, it's called life.

Jeff
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Subject: Re: World’s Trade Map, Minus the U.S
Date: 07/15/2025 8:38 AM
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I believe you are a from NYC, so you've seen Trump's act all of your life.
I read "Lucky Loser" last Fall, it chronicles Trump's business career. He is
rash, impulsive, immature and displayed a total lack of integrity his entire life.
His Presidency mirrors all of that. It says a lot about Americans that elected him,
they either can't see thru his bullshit, or they know it's all lies but just don't care.

3 and 1/2 years to go, if he doesn't try to just ignore term limits, which is a real
possibility. Fred Trump was 93 years old when he died, his Mom died at 88 years old,so it is likely that DJT is going to be around for another decade.
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