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I had thought that all the images we saw of the initial terrorist attack into Israel came from Hamas...but it seems that several mainstream media outlets were the ones taking the photos:
https://honestreporting.com/photographers-without-...On October 7, Hamas terrorists were not the only ones who documented the war crimes they had committed during their deadly rampage across southern Israel. Some of their atrocities were captured by Gaza-based photojournalists working for the Associated Press and Reuters news agencies whose early morning presence at the breached border area raises serious ethical questions.
What were they doing there so early on what would ordinarily have been a quiet Saturday morning? Was it coordinated with Hamas? Did the respectable wire services, which published their photos, approve of their presence inside enemy territory, together with the terrorist infiltrators? Did the photojournalists who freelance for other media, like CNN and The New York Times, notify these outlets? Judging from the pictures of lynching, kidnapping and storming of an Israeli kibbutz, it seems like the border has been breached not only physically, but also journalistically.
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I had thought that all the images we saw of the initial terrorist attack into Israel came from Hamas...but it seems that several mainstream media outlets were the ones taking the photos:
"Mainstream media outlets" weren't the ones taking the photos.
If you read the article, these images were taken by "freelance journalists" - all be people who live in the Gaza Strip and submit work to media outlets as freelancers, not agents or employees of the outlets.
Gaza's a very narrow place. Half the area is within a ten-minute run to the Israeli border. It is not the least bit surprising that freelance photographers in Gaza would be able to capture images of the attacks, and then send them on their own (not previously commissioned) to the wire services.
The same thing would happen if the event wasn't an attack, but an earthquake or tsunami some other natural disaster. If the area is newsworthy, there will be a non-trivial number of freelancers among the population that have connections to the wire services to get photos out. That doesn't mean they were "collaborated" with the earthquake or tsunami.
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If you read the article, these images were taken by "freelance journalists" - all be people who live in the Gaza Strip and submit work to media outlets as freelancers, not agents or employees of the outlets.Turns out there's a bit more to the story.
https://twitter.com/amyalkon/status/17225670605833...Yo, @AP, @Reuters, @cnn - what your freelancer in Gaza Hassan Eslaiah is doing on a motorbike with a grenade, on his way to the massacre of women and babies? Is a grenade part of the equipment you provide?So there's one of the freelancers with a grenade in his hand.
CNN has cut ties with him:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12729601/...he Israeli government is demanding answers from western media outlets including CNN, Reuters and The Associated Press over troubling images of freelance photographers they each hired which suggest they may have been embedded with Hamas on October 7th.
The issue - first highlighted by Honest Reporting - concerns four freelance photographers from Gaza whose works have been published by the media outlets.
Among them is Hassan Eslaiah, a photographer who has now been seen in an image with Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar.
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In response to the criticism, a CNN spokesperson told DailyMail.com: 'We had no prior knowledge of the October 7th attacks.
'Hassan Eslaiah, who was a freelance journalist working for us and many other outlets, was not working for the network on October 7th.
'As of today, we have severed all ties with him.'
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So there's one of the freelancers with a grenade in his hand.
Which again, though, doesn't mean that any of the news organizations put him there. That they were collaborating with Hamas, or had advance knowledge of the attacks.
To continue the metaphor, if local freelance photojournalists were in an area that was hit with an earthquake or tsunami, and then sent their "on the spot" photos to the wire services, that would not indicate that the wire services were "collaborating" with the earthquake or tsunami. If one of them was later revealed to have been looting during the ensuing chaos, it also would not indicate the wire services were involved with, knew about, or supported the looting.
Because freelance. Freelancers are (typically) not under the direct control or supervision of the outlets they submit their work to.
So no - the wire services didn't "embed" their reporters with Hamas.
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Which again, though, doesn't mean that any of the news organizations put him there. That they were collaborating with Hamas, or had advance knowledge of the attacks.
No, it doesn't. It's more likely this guy is one of Hamas' comms people who happens to double dip for western media.
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No, it doesn't. It's more likely this guy is one of Hamas' comms people who happens to double dip for western media.
But that was the point the article in your OP was trying to make - suggesting that western media had advance notice of the attack, because they had "embedded" their "reporters" among the attackers. That's very different than the possibility that someone working in Hamas also had a side gig selling photos as a freelancer.
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But that was the point the article in your OP was trying to make
Yes it was.
That's very different than the possibility that someone working in Hamas also had a side gig selling photos as a freelancer.
Sure. You're aware there's no rule out there that says "You started a thread that says X so you must defend X to the digital death", right? I think it's more likely - as I said - that these guys are Hamasniks (and likely combatants themselves). Regular dudes don't roll around with grenades in their hands and if they were really press they'd be wearing "PRESS" gear.
That said, I think *you'll* agree with this point: the mainstream media needs to vet these people a lot more closely than they do.
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No, it doesn't. It's more likely this guy is.....
Just when I thought we might be having a kumbayah moment on a topic, you go getting all RushLimbaugh again with the insinuations & allegations.
The case against Hamas is strong enough without the 'more likely' stuff.
It's gotta be a hard habit to break after listening to the big fat liar for so many years.
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That said, I think *you'll* agree with this point: the mainstream media needs to vet these people a lot more closely than they do.
I mean...maybe? It depends on whether this is the sort of thing that a wire service would catch with vetting. Yes, maybe have someone poke around on his facebook page to see if he's a member of Hamas or not - but if he didn't post that video before he sent the photos to the wire services, then how would they ever have known?
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I mean...maybe? It depends on whether this is the sort of thing that a wire service would catch with vetting. Yes, maybe have someone poke around on his facebook page to see if he's a member of Hamas or not - but if he didn't post that video before he sent the photos to the wire services, then how would they ever have known?
I'd assume that there would at least be some kind of background checking?
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At any rate, it looks to be a moot point.
https://twitter.com/dannydanon/status/172261321843...Israel's internal security agency announced that they will eliminate all participants of the October 7 massacre.
The "photojournalists" who took part in recording the assault will be added to that list.Shin Bet and Mossad aren't known for forgetting about stuff, so I don't think any of those guys are long for this world.
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I'd assume that there would at least be some kind of background checking?
Sure. But it's not like Hamas has a company directory that you can quickly confirm whether someone is or is not a member, much less any less formal relationship that still might cause a newswire to evaluate the relationship of the journalist to the combatants in the war coverage. If this guy doesn't have any formal affiliation with Hamas that could be discoverable in a basic background check (almost certainly conducted from outside Gaza), they'd never know he was involved. You know, unless and until he posts a video on his FB page.
