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Author: hiphop   😊 😞
Number: of 15059 
Subject: Price to Peak Book and Ratios
Date: 05/23/2023 6:23 PM
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Hi All,

Did the peak Book change with the newest data, or is it still the one from Jan. 2022?

Also, I have been trying to find it, but can someone help me find the link to the levels of price to peak book vs forward returns that Mungo published. I haven't been able to find it easily.

Thanks, G.
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Author: Said   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Price to Peak Book and Ratios
Date: 05/24/2023 3:54 AM
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Did the peak Book change with the newest data, or is it still the one from Jan. 2022?
If I am not mistaken BV currently is around $227, so practically identical to that PeakBV of $230. With the current price of $323 Price/PeakBV is 1.42, return-wise in the lower middle range of Jim's table - - - to which I don't have a link, but below is a copy of his post:


First column is the average price-to-peak-book in that bucket. Each bucket is 1/20th of the observation start dates.
Second column is the average real one year return starting with a P/peakB in that bucket.
Third column is my smoothing of that data.
(I did a linear fit, and a cubic fit, and averaged those two results)

P/Peak Obser Model
1.075 34.6% 30.1%
1.165 22.2% 20.6%
1.204 19.1% 17.5%
1.250 15.4% 14.5%
1.295 10.5% 12.1%
1.323 4.6% 10.8%
1.343 5.5% 10.0%
1.359 9.7% 9.4%
1.376 8.5% 8.8%
1.392 5.5% 8.2%
1.412 4.5% 7.6%
1.438 5.7% 6.9%
1.461 6.8% 6.2%
1.483 5.3% 5.6%
1.509 7.7% 4.9%
1.537 8.1% 4.0%
1.579 3.5% 2.7%
1.638 4.0% 0.4%
1.693 -2.2% -2.4%
1.808 -12.0% -10.9%

1.303 11.7% today (PeakBV 230)

(1.Jan: 1.34 => 10%)
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: Price to Peak Book and Ratios
Date: 05/24/2023 5:53 AM
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With the current price of $323 Price/PeakBV is 1.42, return-wise in the lower middle range of Jim's table - ...

Here is another similar table I posted two years ago
http://www.datahelper.com/mi/search.phtml?nofool=y...
The main difference is that this post is only observed data, no smoothing or model fit.

In that observation table the current price/peakB of 1.393 suggests a reasonable central expectation of annualized returns around inflation+7% for a hold period of 1-2 years from today.
(average of annualized returns across all holding periods from 1 to 2 years in length)
Precisely equal to my long run forward expectation, though lower than the past average.

If I do a pretty fit to that same data, it suggests inflation + 8.5%/year rate in the next ~1.5 years.
Formula to feed with PB as the current price-to-peak book level to get estimated forward real rate of return:
= 0.01550203*PB^3 + 0.28840172*PB^2 - 1.36877657*PB + 1.38544636
This obviously assumes that Berkshire's trend growth rate and valuation multiples will vaguely resemble the things seen since 2008.

For numbers geeks like me, note that most valuation metrics on any stock will tend to give an S-shaped response curve for returns over the next while up to maybe 2-3 years.
That's because valuation matters very little in the middle deciles but a whole lot at both extremes.
Therefore the choice of a cubic fit above isn't as weird a choice as you might think.

Jim

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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Price to Peak Book and Ratios
Date: 05/24/2023 9:27 AM
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Good morning, I don't have much interest in posting against my own book, but, once Buffett passes, does anyone seriously expect Brk to benefit from the Buffett bounce, which t and t currently enjoy? ''Berkshire Stock Buys Still Get a Buffett Bounce'but Maybe Not the Expected Results

By Andrew Bary
May 19, 2023 7:24 pm ET

ILLUSTRATION BY ELIAS STEIN
Warren Buffett is justifiably renowned as a stockpicker. But following Berkshire Hathaway into new equity holdings is no sure thing. This past week, Berkshire disclosed it had bought $900 million of Capital One Financial shares. Capital One rose 13.5% to $98 on the week'a 'Buffett bounce.'
Capital One may be a winner'or not. In early 2022, Berkshire bought Paramount Global , Citigroup , and HP . All three now are likely below Berkshire's cost, Barron's estimates'particularly Paramount, off some 50% from early 2022 levels. Berkshire bought $8 billion of Verizon Communications in late 2020, then sold it at a loss in 2022. In contrast, Berkshire is ahead on its $20 billion Chevron and $12 billion Occidental Petroleum stakes.
Berkshire has recently seen more rapid trading in its $350 billion portfolio. In late 2020, it acquired shares in Merck , Bristol Myers Squibb , and AbbVie . Those were reasonably well timed, but Berkshire sold them. It also bought and quickly ditched a stake in Taiwan Semiconductor ; Buffett wasn't comfortable with Taiwan's geopolitical risk. Berkshire has scored with five Japanese trading companies that Buffett began accumulating in 2020.
Another issue: Who's buying? Buffett runs some 90% of the portfolio, with managers Todd Combs and Ted Weschler handling the rest. Berkshire doesn't disclose holdings by manager, but the largest and longest-standing ones are probably mostly Buffett's. Positions under $3 billion go to Combs and Weschler. While Buffett likes to say his favorite holding period is forever, few new investments besides Apple seem to qualify.''
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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Price to Peak Book and Ratios
Date: 05/24/2023 1:48 PM
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Good morning, I don't have much interest in posting against my own book, but, once Buffett passes, does anyone seriously expect Brk to benefit from the Buffett bounce, which t and t currently enjoy?

Short term bounce? If they're buying for the long term a short-term bounce isn't helpful. It's a hindrance if they're building a large position.
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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Price to Peak Book and Ratios
Date: 05/24/2023 4:50 PM
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'' It's a hindrance if they're building a large position.'' I'm sure you know Buffett doesn't, disclose, until his buy order is filled.
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