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Author: g0177325 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 9:46 AM
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/gov-gavin-newsom-breaks...

Gov. Gavin Newsom breaks with Democrats on transgender athletes, calling it "deeply unfair"

California Governor Gavin Newsom shattered his reputation as an advocate for LGBTQ rights and betrayed the Democratic Party on Thursday.

In the debut episode of his new podcast, This Is Gavin Newsom, Newsom broke with his own party’s stance on trans rights and suggested that transgender athletes should not be allowed to participate in women’s sports, a spineless move from the Democrat who is likely preparing for a presidential run in 2028.

“I think it’s an issue of fairness, I completely agree with you on that. It is an issue of fairness—it’s deeply unfair,” Gavin said to his guest Charlie Kirk, a MAGA activist known for pushing Trumpism on college campuses through his organization Turning Point USA.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 10:13 AM
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Good for him being RIGHT on this issue.

I don't have to agree with someone all the time to compliment them for challenging the Trans Taliban.

He'd be 100000 times better than Kamala as a candidate---- but Beshear would be so much better for the country and for Democrats.
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Author: ptheland   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 12:10 PM
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Newsom has been positioning himself for a run at the Presidency for a number of years. Nothing new about his floating of trial balloons on various positions.

--Peter
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 12:12 PM
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But it *is* new that he is against males - in female sports.

GOOD for him.

What about the rest of Trans Al Qaeda here?

Are you with Newsom and Trump - OR NOT?

I agree with both men on this issue.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 12:19 PM
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But it *is* new that he is against males - in female sports.

Yep. Big change from the guy that literally signed all that stuff into law in CA. Love how our usual suspects are playing repudiation off.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 12:24 PM
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TRANS PHOBIA! NEWSOM IS TRANS PHOBIC!


Nope, Club 401K will be demure, shrug this off. :)


Hence my thesis - like Bill Clinton, Governor Beshear can tell these extreme Progressive to sit down and shut up.....and they will do as they are told.
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Author: UpNorthJoe 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 1:21 PM
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"his Is Gavin Newsom, Newsom broke with his own party’s stance on trans rights and suggested that transgender athletes should not be allowed to participate in women’s sports"

that is a big No Duh !!!

About time one of the Dems came to their senses. Trans people can live how they want to live,
I'm not their judge and jury. But trans-men in womens sports is a no go.

Having said that, it is a big whoop as far as being an issue. If it shuts a MAGA talking point down, I'm all for that. Pretty much a non-issue as far as the # of people it affects.
So MAGA can STFU on trans-men in women' sports. And all of their other culture war bullshit.

When does Trump bring the price of groceries down ???? That has a hell of a lot more relevance
as an issue than the BS that MAGA is crying crocodile tears over. Plenty of clips of Trump on the campaign trail bragging that he'll bring the price of eggs down "On Day 1". Eggs are up over
40% since the 8-layers of orange makeup made that boast. Any MAGA gonna hold TRump
responsible for his promises????? The silence is deafening.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 1:27 PM
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About time one of the Dems came to their senses. Trans people can live how they want to live,
I'm not their judge and jury. But trans-men in womens sports is a no go.
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Oh no.

Now - they just took a HUGE red meat MAGA applause line away. They just took a HUGE bone of contention away ---even from some moderate voters.

One less thing for Dems to be defensive for.


Just IMAGINE if they did this just a little more - on TransBullies and on Illegal immigration.

NOW....... THE WHOLE SHOOTING MATCH..... is Medicare, health insurance, education, Social Security --- gee let me think, who would win that election?


I wonder if Intolerant Club 401K can go further?
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Date: 03/07/2025 1:56 PM
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NOW....... THE WHOLE SHOOTING MATCH..... is Medicare, health insurance, education, Social Security --- gee let me think, who would win that election?


Sure about that?
The electorate sent a message that the dems didn't hear in 2024: Time to address some problems.

Everyone knows that Social Security isn't on the greatest of financial footing only the democrats have been pretending for 40 years that as long as there's 1 rich guy in the country they can tax that 1 dude and all our problems go away. Won't work.

The greatest mistake the GOP ever made was in impeaching Bill Clinton. Had they NOT done that...we would have had a deal in partially privatizing Social Security back then (because Clinton wanted to).

And for the inevitable haters out there, the average return on your Social Security payments is roughly 2-3%. More or less inflation (at least until Biden showed up).

But...$1000 invested in 1996 would be worth north of $16,000 today. Oh, well.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 2:21 PM
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Dope1.....from my side, what is say now is POLITICS, not POLI-CY. I'm speaking from that vantage point. Maybe I've watched and read too much Ed Rollins or Carville or Rove or Deaver back in my geek days -----but to me, it's all about winning - and then governing.
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"Sure about that?
The electorate sent a message that the dems didn't hear in 2024: Time to address some problems."

YES. What the electorate AND many of us don't understand - the electorate is unsatisfied and not content. And they will blame Biden, Trump, Lincoln, or Gandhi if they are the incumbent. Part of this is socioeconomic trends: We decided that cheap stuff is what matters. We got cheap stuff. 'The Dow" flourished yet many in our middle class who used to live proud lives - car, small home, kids, meat and potatoes, family trip to Myrtle Beach......now have both parents working - just for check to check lifestyles and this is ASSUMING there's two parents any more. The middle class I just spoke of now has higher expenses (part real, part culture driven), a tattoo, a mullet, in many cases a baby daddy----life sort of sucks. They are becoming the new working-poor, they just dont know it but they hate how it feels.



"Everyone knows that Social Security isn't on the greatest of financial footing only the democrats have been pretending for 40 years that as long as there's 1 rich guy in the country they can tax that 1 dude and all our problems go away. Won't work. "

Most polls - non partisan - show that Americans favor *raising taxes* versus cutting benefits. Imagine for a moment SirDope: Trump raises taxes on ALL earners making over $175k per year - no more donut shit----everyone pays full FICA-----to save SS as we know it. Austin TX, and Austins around the country will cry BUT think of Ohio, PA, MI, WI, ---remember swing states? Those voters, MOST voters will be very pleased. Rinse and repeat on Medicare and Medicaid. NOT doing this ---we will give the country to Dems and one day AOC will be in Mitch McConnell's office.
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"The greatest mistake the GOP ever made was in impeaching Bill Clinton. Had they NOT done that...we would have had a deal in partially privatizing Social Security back then (because Clinton wanted to)."

AGREED - we saved his ass on China fundraising scandal and Los Alamos. And yeah, him and Newt would've fixed it BUT WE----were political tone deaf and stupid. That is what I don't want to repeat on SS and Medicare.

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"And for the inevitable haters out there, the average return on your Social Security payments is roughly 2-3%. More or less inflation (at least until Biden showed up). " -YES BUT.....

DO MOST voters have your financial acumen Dope? Do MOST voters have the financial knowledge of most TMF'ers who were part of a financial website? Sadly, I feel the dumbing down of Americans means only a plurality have a clue. If I'm wrong, PayDay Loan places wouldn't be laughing to the bank not just in the Housing Project neighborhoods, but in the tattoo'd up White-People-aspiring-to-become-white-trash towns also.

Also while Liberal Woke Wall Street would *luv* the fees (Biden had a name for Greedy Bankers btw - lkolololol), Trump will NEVER be allowed to privatize just like W wasn't allowed. It's just not possible. And if I grew a 3rd nut and this privatizing happened under Trump--=-=--WE'D BE BLAMED every single time a Costco in Tulsa sold one less stick of chewing gun causing the stock to go down. These Liberals will blame us and succeeded at it. Privatization will not happen under a GOP Regime --right or wrong doesn't matter. Politics - does.

"But...$1000 invested in 1996 would be worth north of $16,000 today. Oh, well."

Right again but, I still feel a slight majority of people don't have a clue. Ok yeah they have 401K but that is "oh, they take it out of my check". "it comes out of my check". Believe me, I've worked closely in my life with the hood rat, and literally the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and CEO of America Online and all in between. A slight majority has zero clue what you are talking about. Fathers and Mothers used to teach it ---- our culture is different now because IF there's a Dad and mom- many of them are out buying tattoos or the latest phone or the Peloton or the $20 Fast Casual lunches.


A slight majority of Americans - not mooches - they want to work, and they're willing to work BUT - they don't want to manage shit. They want to "get the check" in the mail and now it's worse, they wanna see the money show up "on my phone!". Seriously, go. park in an urban population center - not Fifth avenue. Not LakeShore drive - but the real city. Look and listen to the people. Then do the same thing in sub $40k per year places in Red States ----I'm sorry, but they're not discussing nor thinking about compound interest or tax advantaged dividends.


Hence politically: I want to PRESERVE 100% of Social Security and medicare and ---I want to do it by taxing the shit out of blue states. Club 401K here will squeal like pigs if I got my way ;)
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 3:05 PM
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BTW for those yearning to one day have a clue.....

James Carville said out loud: "If anyone at the DNC knows the definition of intersex --I'd fire their asses".

BUT then again he helped a Democrat win 2 terms - this after Club 401K was getting it's Dukakis and Mondale and Carter asses kicked.

We don't want to listen to him,
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 4:51 PM
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UpNorthJoe: But trans-men in womens sports is a no go.

Meet Rebecca, and tell me what advantage she has over her teammates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf9MfYZ-Bl4
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Author: UpNorthJoe 🐝  😊 😞
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Date: 03/07/2025 6:00 PM
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"Meet Rebecca"

Rebecca definitely looked like a girl. But if Rebecca is a biological male, then she should
compete against biological males in sports. If this means that Rebecca would not make the
male high school team, then so be it. I played sports all of my youth thru HS, there were
tryouts for each team. Kids got cut from the team in tryouts. Had it happen to friends of
mine. It sucked for them, but they survived. They still played rec league sports, just
did not make the HS teams. None of the one's cut were scarred for life. And if I would have gone
to college right out of HS, and tried out for the College hoops team, I would have gotten cut.
I played ball against a number of college players, did just fine in pickup games, but they had too
much size for me. A few years later, when I did put myself thru college, I had no desire to
try to play sports. It was just a game, there were far more important things to spend my time and energy on than organized sports. But to this day, am still super active. Xc-Ski'd 16.5 miles today, on a tough, hilly trail system. Will do it again tomorrow, before the warmup hits.

Do you want the Dems to die on this hill, on this battle ? I want them to take Trump and MAGA down. Newsom is doing what it takes to possibly win. The Country is at stake, which trumps ( excuse the pun ) sports.
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Author: UpNorthJoe 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 6:13 PM
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just want to add, I do xc ski races. Men and women in the same race, from ages of 18-75. Yeah,
there are some badass people in their 70's who can partake in a very,very physically demanding sport, and excel. I'm in my 60s, and I get beat by women in the races that I participate in. Doesn't bother me 1 bit, they are really good skiers, really fit and strong athletes, so I do not underestimate the athletic ability of women, at all. If any of the keyboard warriors on internet
sites like this doubt me, they should pick a race, whether it be skiing, running, biking, swimming, whatever it may be. Go put it on the line, and see if any women beat you. If your ego can handle it ( and you don't have a massive heart attack from trying some of these activities.

I can just bet that the MAGA on this board are chortling that ain't no woman beating them in the
sport of their choosing. I'd luv to see them put their ego where their mouth is ,lol.

( commonone, none of the above directed at you )
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Newsom positioning for a run in 2028?
Date: 03/07/2025 6:14 PM
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Paging Repubs - pray the Dems don't listen to Joe on this one
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Date: 03/07/2025 6:15 PM
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No ego here ! The only sport I'd beat anyone at is a Whopper Eating Contest.

And back in the day I was accurate with a spitball. Even invented rapid fire spitballs.
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Date: 03/07/2025 9:24 PM
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Meet Sasha who used to compete in the men's division.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-12/trans-surfe...

As sympathetic as I am to the entire LGBT community, there's no method that is sure to prevent abuse of the sports system.

It's a hill not worth dying on for the dems.
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