Please be responsible for your own actions and words, and avoid blaming others or making excuses for your behavior. If you make a mistake, apologize and take steps to correct it.
- Manlobbi
Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy
No. of Recommendations: 3
Trump Says U.S. Will Hold Migrants at Guantánamo
The president suggested the United States would prepare to detain tens of thousands of migrants at the U.S. Navy base. It was unclear how the plan would take shape.
I guess you could call it a concentration camp.
In addition to the cost of these operations, there is the lost labor and tax revenue from these workers.
"Tens of thousands" is still quite a ways from the 11 million he promised to deport.
No. of Recommendations: 2
So illegal aliens, being put at Gitmo - replete with meals and soccer field.......
Is the same as rounding up innocent Jews and storing them before the oven festivities.
I disagree.
But, I'm not surprised in your thinking.
PS: China has long put Muslims in concentration camps. But you Liberals didn't break out "I stand with Ukraine" bullshit for them - did you - because China can slap your SP 500---and the latter is what. you - Club 401K'ers care for the most. *giggle* don't worry, it'll be sliced and diced one day too :)
No. of Recommendations: 2
"Tens of thousands" is still quite a ways from the 11 million he promised to deport.
Rome wasn’t built in a day. Trump has only been President less than two weeks.
President Trump’s team already has a good start rounding up the worst of the worst.
Guantanamo? Why not? Last I heard Obama turned Guantanamo into a nice retirement home
building an expensive soccer field, prayer area (church?) and etc.
No. of Recommendations: 9
Trump Says U.S. Will Hold Migrants at GuantánamoI guarantee you not one single "migrant criminal" who ends up at the Guantanamo Bay Concentration Camp ever committed as many crimes as the convicted felon/rapist Donald J. Trump.
Also just in:
"Texas man pardoned over Jan. 6 attack is wanted on 2016 charge of soliciting a minor."
"Re-arresting individuals, like Taake, who were released with pending state warrants, will require significant resources." the DA’s office said in a statement.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/tex...
No. of Recommendations: 2
Rome wasn’t built in a day. Trump has only been President less than two weeks.
President Trump’s team already has a good start rounding up the worst of the worst.
Guantanamo? Why not? Last I heard Obama turned Guantanamo into a nice retirement home
building an expensive soccer field, prayer area (church?) and etc.
It'll take 40 years at 10 plane flights a day, LM. Ceasar no like. Ya see, we helped create the messes in Latin America that send people up here, but I think if would have happened anyway. Who knows? There may have been a successful socialist government. I consider Singapore the model for all the semi-socialist countries, but the Nordi countries appear to be better. So let's come to grips with what will happen and what won't. You can F up the government so much that everyone will be hurt. You didn't expect much from him did you? Watch the inflation ramp up. Can we survive without generous colas in social security, etc? I mean they are talking about creating a schedule F, moving the classification of Gov employees to it, eliminating protections, so all government employees will be "at will" emplooyees. What do you think happens after that?
Remember, you wanted this.
No. of Recommendations: 14
"Texas man pardoned over Jan. 6 attack is wanted on 2016 charge of soliciting a minor."
Soliciting a minor? That’s one of the requirements to get nominated for Trump’s cabinet.
No. of Recommendations: 8
It'll take 40 years at 10 plane flights a dayAnd Trump's deportation flight to Guatemala on Monday cost at least $4,675 per migrant.
We could have flown them home first class and saved money!
I'm beginning to see how Trump went bankrupt so many times...
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-military...
No. of Recommendations: 9
Guantanamo? Why not?
Because it's much more expensive to transport and detain the migrants there rather than in the United States. To do what Trump wants to do, ICE needs a ton more detention beds - because they need someplace to put the people they detain here in the U.S. But the reason those people are being detained, rather than being summarily deported under expedited removal, is because they have some legal entitlement to a hearing or other legal process prior to deportation.
So if you were interested in "government efficiency," you would detain the migrants someplace cheap and close to where they currently are - and close to where all the immigration courts and DOJ/ICE lawyers and files and evidence and everything is. Either you're going to have to fly all those people back to the U.S. for hearings (crazy expensive), or you're going to have to set up parallel immigration courts and administrative processing and staff lawyers and judges and a host of other civilian personnel in Guantanamo. If you even can - while Gitmo is subject to federal court review for habeas petitions, it's still a foreign country, and it's possible the government doesn't have the power to exercise the administrative judicial power outside the U.S. (heck, they might not even have the legal authority to move the detainees there, since they're not supposed to remove them from the U.S. prior to their immigration hearings). It's just going to give all those migrants more legal arguments and bites at the apple to challenge their detention and removal proceedings.
It's a weird thing for the Administration to consider - it will be more expensive, slower, and very vulnerable to being stopped altogether. Maybe they're doing it for the optics of starting to involve the military more into handling immigration matters....but apart from that, I can't see how this makes any sense at all.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Could the reason for using Guantanamo and the military(planes and service members)is to avoid trying to get $ to do these things?
No. of Recommendations: 6
Could the reason for using Guantanamo and the military(planes and service members)is to avoid trying to get $ to do these things?
The Administration is definitely looking at the military as a pot of money to fund their immigration priorities, since it looks like Congress won't be fast-tracking any immigration appropriations as part of a two-bill reconciliation strategy. That's a possible reason for detaining them on a military base, but not for picking Guantanamo rather than a domestic military facility. Almost any domestic military facility would be closer and less jurisdictionally complicated that handling immigration detainees in Cuba, and I would think that one of the larger bases in Texas (like Fort Cavazos) would have enough space to accommodate a new detention facility.
No. of Recommendations: 2
It's a weird thing for the Administration to consider - it will be more expensive, slower, and very vulnerable to being stopped altogether. Maybe they're doing it for the optics of starting to involve the military more into handling immigration matters....but apart from that, I can't see how this makes any sense at all.
Perhaps the final roster of prisoners will not be immigrants at all. He HAS talked a lot about sending his political enemies there.
Habeas corpus?
The trajectory of this administration already suggests that such legal niceties might be subject to disappearance in the cells of Gitmo.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Maybe they're doing it for the optics of starting to involve the military more into handling immigration matters....but apart from that, I can't see how this makes any sense at all.
That is certainly possible. Also, the migrants aren't on US soil. Gitmo is a lease, as I recall, and technically still Cuba. BTW, we're still paying the lease (set at something like $4K in the 1970s).
But it is a stupid idea. Very expensive to transport them, and the facilities there would need to be expanded dramatically to hold "tens of thousands" of migrants. Plus the staff needed to maintain it.
As usual, a stupid idea from the Felon and his cronies.
