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The FBI’s Salt Lake City field office released images of a person of interest in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk and asked for the public’s help in identifying them.

https://bsky.app/profile/washingtonpost.com/post/3...

The images are blurry, but it sure looks like an American flag with a gun superimposed. Been trying to find a similar image/shirt, but haven't been able to so far. Of course, this may mean nothing, and liberals can still be 2nd amendment supporters, but ...

The images are blurry, but it sure looks like an American flag with a gun superimposed. Been trying to find a similar image/shirt, but haven't been able to so far. Of course, this may mean nothing, and liberals can still be 2nd amendment supporters, but ...

I noted in another thread that I hoped the shooter didn't happen to be Jewish. I also hope that the shooter was not an anti-Semite motivated by Kirk's support of Israel. Because that would also be really bad for us jews, I think.

I had hoped - or rather I thought it was the least-bad scenario - for the shooter to be an apolitical crazed person who wanted the fame that comes from assassinating a prominent person. The fact that they've managed 24 hours without being caught, and the fact that the FBI had to issue a reward offer rather than quickly figuring out who this guy was, makes that a little less likely. A really unmoored person probably would not have been able to cover their tracks well enough to get through the first day of a manhunt - or even have tried.

I also hope that the shooter was not an anti-Semite motivated by Kirk's support of Israel. Because that would also be really bad for us jews, I think.

Why?

A really unmoored person probably would not have been able to cover their tracks well enough to get through the first day of a manhunt - or even have tried.

I’ve been wondering- is there any record in the US of anyone assassinating a major public figure in the US…. and getting away with it?

I can’t think of any offhand.

Why?

Because it would inflame the already fraught anti-Semitism in America. One of the major strands of anti-Semitism is resentment and victimhood, being angry for facing consequences for their noxious beliefs and feeling betrayed that they are shunned for them. If they get blamed as a group for Kirk's assassination, they will be very mad at the Jews for it. Because they always get mad at the Jews for things that happen to them.

Again, I'd rather this be an inexplicable apolitical tragedy than one that follows any coherent narrative - because that's the 'least-bad' timeline...

I’ve been wondering- is there any record in the US of anyone assassinating a major public figure in the US…. and getting away with it?

I can’t think of any offhand.

Jimmy Hoffa - if that's what happened. That's the only one I can think of.

Because it would inflame the already fraught anti-Semitism in America.

Be honest. Where is this coming from?
Charlie Kirk? The people that go to his rallies? Or the people who put up camps on college campuses in support of Hamas.

Do you think those are the folks going to TPUSA rallies in support of Kirk?

Again, I'd rather this be an inexplicable apolitical tragedy than one that follows any coherent narrative - because that's the 'least-bad' timeline...

That horse has left the barn. This is merely one of a string of politically motivated assassinations/attempted assassinations/attempted other bad things:

-Trump (x2)
-Brett Kavanaugh
-CEO Thompson
-Kirk
-The burning of Tesla dealerships
-Steve Scalise

Is there a pattern in the above? There is one, but it doesn't have anything to do with Israel or the Jewish people.

If they get blamed as a group for Kirk's assassination, they will be very mad at the Jews for it. Because they always get mad at the Jews for things that happen to them.

I hate to break it to you (and you already know this), but certain asshats will blame Da Joooooos for every any that shows up at every picnic.

Do you think those are the folks going to TPUSA rallies in support of Kirk?

Nope. But it doesn't matter. Conspiracy theories like anti-Semitism don't make sense. If a public figure were shot by an anti-Semite because of their support for Israel (and I continue to hope that's not the case with Kirk), it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference what their supporters were actually like. It would be bad, bad, bad news for us jews.

Is there a pattern in the above? There is one, but it doesn't have anything to do with Israel or the Jewish people.

Yes. The pattern is that you have selected only acts of violence against conservative people. You have chosen to omit all acts of violence against Democratic or Jewish or left-wing people (Paul Pelosi, Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Melissa and Mark Hortman, etc.

The pattern is the one you have made. You chose those six things, rather than any others. You mention fires at Tesla dealerships and not fires at synagogues or Josh Shapiro's house. You're free to focus on what you want to focus on, of course. But if you're looking for a pattern, you can't sort your data in advance, or you'll just find what you put in.

I hate to break it to you (and you already know this), but certain asshats will blame Da Joooooos for every any that shows up at every picnic.

Yep - but it gets so much worse when there is an actual event in the world that they can get especially mad about.

This is merely one of a string of politically motivated assassinations/attempted assassinations/attempted

From Google's net sifter:

Melissa Hortman: The Minnesota House Speaker and her husband were killed in June 2025 in what authorities described as a "politically motivated assassination".

Paul Pelosi: The husband of former Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was attacked with a hammer in October 2022 in their home by an intruder who was seeking to kidnap Nancy Pelosi.

Josh Shapiro: Pennsylvania's Democratic governor was the target of an attempted assassination in April 2025.

Gretchen Whitmer: In 2020, several men were convicted for plotting to kidnap the Democratic governor of Michigan.

Democratic officials in New Mexico: A man was convicted in 2022 for a series of shootings targeting the homes of four Democratic elected officials.

Heather Heyer: A left-wing activist was killed in 2017 when a man drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters in Charlottesville.

Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton: In 2018, a man sent pipe bombs to the homes of several prominent Democrats.
Esther Salas: In 2020, the son of the Obama-appointed U.S. District Judge was killed in their home by an assailan

But Trump only talks about right wingers being "victims". Odd, isn't it?

Steve

You have chosen to omit all acts of violence against Democratic or Jewish or left-wing people (Paul Pelosi, Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, Melissa and Mark Hortman, etc.

Paul Pelosi's attack wasn't political.
Shapiro's was by a left wing pro-Hamas type.
Whitmer's idiots were...idiots.
The Hortmans were attacked by a crazy Walz appointee who wanted Walz to be a Senator. Or something.

But if you're looking for a pattern, you can't sort your data in advance, or you'll just find what you put in.

There's a pattern. It's an extremely uncomfortable pattern for any democrat to talk about because it involves an extensive amount of reflection.

That's not happening in this country.

The other thing that's happening? Check out BlueSky and the reaction of mainstream democrats to this shooting. Do you think that's healthy?

And it looks like someone may have identified the shirt the POI was wearing:

It's not a gun superimposed on the flag, but an American eagle! So, "patriot", yes, but gun nut, maybe not.

https://youtu.be/GcyeYMB-ZXI?t=328

There's a pattern. It's an extremely uncomfortable pattern for any democrat to talk about because it involves an extensive amount of reflection.

Of course the more recent mass terrorism incident, by USians, against USians, is January 6th. And who instigated that?

Steve

Paul Pelosi's attack wasn't political.
Shapiro's was by a left wing pro-Hamas type.
Whitmer's idiots were...idiots.
The Hortmans were attacked by a crazy Walz appointee who wanted Walz to be a Senator. Or something.

Again, if you sort your data before you look for patterns, you'll just find the patterns you put in. Thomas Crooks (Trump's would-be assassin) wasn't motivated by Trump's politics, and himself was an idiot or crazy who wanted "something" other than a political outcome.

You're pre-filtering your data, finding reasons to exclude things you want to exclude while leaving in the stuff you want to leave in.

The other thing that's happening? Check out BlueSky and the reaction of mainstream democrats to this shooting. Do you think that's healthy?

There's nothing healthy about any of it. The reactions to Paul Pelosi's attack (like Trump making jokes about it) weren't healthy. The reactions to the planned Whitmer kidnapping weren't healthy. The responses to the Trump assassination attempt weren't healthy. Higgins response to try to ban people from social media isn't healthy, and Matthew Dowd's response to the assassination wasn't healthy. These things always bring out the worst in people.

Again, if all you're looking at is left-wing responses to violent attacks on right-wing folks, and don't look at right-wing responses to violent attacks on left-wing folks to the same degree and taking them just as seriously, you'll find the patterns that result from your initial filter choice.

You don't have to conduct an unfiltered review of those things, of course - you're free to just look at the stuff that confirms one theory and not any of the other stuff, if you want. But just keep in mind that the patterns you then "find" in that will be the result of your choice of what to look at....

Of course the more recent mass terrorism incident

"Mass terrorism event". We don't agree on the terms here.

You're pre-filtering your data, finding reasons to exclude things you want to exclude while leaving in the stuff you want to leave in.

Sez the guy engaging in conspiracy theories about who blames his fellow religionists.

You don't have to conduct an unfiltered review of those things, of course - you're free to just look at the stuff that confirms one theory and not any of the other stuff, if you want. But just keep in mind that the patterns you then "find" in that will be the result of your choice of what to look at....

I'm reading this board. A man is dead, a clear political assassination, and yet this board is consumed with conspiracy theories and blame shifting.

I thought about riding over here and unloading on the left, then decided that's not what Kirk stood for.

I’ve been wondering- is there any record in the US of anyone assassinating a major public figure in the US…. and getting away with it?

I can’t think of any offhand.

Depends whether you believe Oswald shot Kennedy. Otherwise, I can't think of any, either. (For the record, I do think Oswald did it.)

With modern forensics, it's really hard to get away with a shooting like this. Not unless you're very meticulous and careful.

Again, I'd rather this be an inexplicable apolitical tragedy than one that follows any coherent narrative - because that's the 'least-bad' timeline...

True. But it probably won't be. Clearly, the perp has no issue with Kirk's stance on gun control. Just shooting from the hip (no irony intended), he's probably a college-age white male with hunting experience, who intensely dislikes one or more of Kirk's positions (e.g. the Felon was the 2020 election). So, probably left-leaning.

Or it could be a Ukrainian who sees America as abandoning them. That might be the next best thing to an apolitical nut-job. (Just wild speculation...I have no basis for that guess.)

Sez the guy engaging in conspiracy theories about who blames his fellow religionists.

You think it's a conspiracy theory to expect that it would be bad for the Jews if the shooter turns out to be Jewish? Or if he is Anti-Semitic? Then I think you need to learn more about anti-Semitism (and about conspiracy theories as well).

I'm reading this board. A man is dead, a clear political assassination, and yet this board is consumed with conspiracy theories and blame shifting.

Hey, you're the one who came into the thread with a pre-curated list, "just asking" if people see a pattern. Suggesting a theory (one might call it a "conspiracy theory") that violence is predominantly committed against conservatives - and blaming the left (one might call that "shifting" the blame to the left).

Hey, you're the one who came into the thread with a pre-curated list, "just asking" if people see a pattern. Suggesting a theory (one might call it a "conspiracy theory") that violence is predominantly committed against conservatives - and blaming the left (one might call that "shifting" the blame to the left).

I'm not going to dignify this one. Have a good day.

I'm not going to dignify this one. Have a good day.

Thanks. You too!

Dope1: Paul Pelosi's attack wasn't political.
Shapiro's was by a left wing pro-Hamas type.
Whitmer's idiots were...idiots.
The Hortmans were attacked by a crazy Walz appointee who wanted Walz to be a Senator. Or something.

Umm, c'mon.

David DePape testified in court that he went to the Pelosis’ home to talk to Nancy Pelosi about Russian involvement in the 2016 election and to get Pelosi to admit to her corruption and to then get president Biden to pardon right wingers.

Kinda' sounds political.

Cody Balmer wrote several social media posts condemning president Biden, “admitted to harboring hatred” of Shapiro, and said that he would have “beaten him with his hammer” had he run into him on the night of the attack at the mansion. He didn't seem to have an affiliation with either the left or right but felt strongly that the war in Gaza should end. Calling him "pro-Hamas" is just you editorializing.

Half of Whitmer's kidnapping suspects were paramilitary and all of them planned to use violence to overthrow the state government.

Friends of Vance Boelter said he was right-leaning, a supporter of president Trump and opposed abortion rights. The 70 targets of Boelter, included Minnesota senator Tina Smith, other Democratic lawmakers, and doctors, community and business leaders associated with Planned Parenthood.

But thanks for playing.

Jimmy Hoffa - if that's what happened. That's the only one I can think of.

I should have narrowed the criteria further—-

Assassinated a public figure in a public space with a large crowd present

And now with security cameras, facial recognition software and hundreds of cell phones in the crowd, the task has become immeasurably more difficult.

We’ll see, but so far, this assassination is an outlier as far as assassinations go.


Perhaps the online sleuths will match up those two photos with a potential suspect.

But it seems to me that someone who slipped the noose as easily as he did would not be leaving a wrapped rifle, fingerprints and a footprint, along with evidence incriminating a specific group…. unless he meant it to be found.

But it seems to me that someone who slipped the noose as easily as he did would not be leaving a wrapped rifle, fingerprints and a footprint, along with evidence incriminating a specific group…. unless he meant it to be found.

Gleiwitz incident, wrt planting the "evidence"? Nah. I don't think this bunch can plan and execute on the fly that fast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident

Steve

and liberals can still be 2nd amendment supporters, but ...

or could have just been camo given the gathering he might have been trying to blend in with.

Gleiwitz incident, wrt planting the "evidence"?

The Polish radio station in Danzig corridor, right?

I remember reading about it decades ago. My dad gave me a book about it when I was about ten.

Alfred Neujocks, I believe was the name of the SS operative that led the raid, if memory serves.

This really is the kind of stuff these folks are pulling now.

The Polish radio station in Danzig corridor, right?

Yup. Of course, we could be overreacting. He might pull back the assault on "liberals" over the weekend.

...or turn it up to 11

Steve

But thanks for playing.

Or, rather thanks for lying (AGAIN).

Pete

But Trump only talks about right wingers being "victims". Odd, isn't it?

In addition to the Democrat victims and targets of right wing shooters and bombers, one ought to include the long list of bombings, shootings & harassment of women's clinics/doctors/patients by so-called pro-life zealots.

..and the attacks on churches, synagogues, nightclubs frequented by all the people Charlie Kirk trash-talked nonstop.

The Hortmans were attacked by a crazy Walz appointee who wanted Walz to be a Senator. Or something.

LOL !!!

The shooter had a long list of people to attack--NONE OF THEM ON THE RIGHT.

Try again? Or have you already given up?

Or, rather thanks for lying (AGAIN).

No lying.
This kind of stoking violence through rhetoric has been happening for decades; you people revel in your Nazi accusations then hide from the accountability of what you say.

No more.

This kind of stoking violence through rhetoric has been happening for decades; you people revel in your Nazi accusations then hide from the accountability of what you say.

No more.

Is it reciprocal? Does the "no more" also apply to "you people" who make accusations against people on the left, then hide from the accountability of what you say?

It should run both ways, right? If the message is "they killed Charlie Kirk" it would stand to reason that there would be a reciprocal "we killed Melissa Hortman."

Funny, though, that it always just seems to be pointed at "they." Never "we." People who commit violence against conservative targets are always part of a pattern for which there should be some sort of "accountability" for the "they" who are not conservatives; but the people who commit violence against liberals or progressives are never part of the "we." Those people are always acting on their own, are never pushed to violence by rhetoric against liberals or progressives - so there's no need for "accountability."

And what does "no more" mean to you? What do you think should happen?

Is it reciprocal? Does the "no more" also apply to "you people" who make accusations against people on the left, then hide from the accountability of what you say?

Rhetorical calls for violence tilt disproportionately towards the left threatening the right. It's not a question, despite your running mates claiming otherwise:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/assassinati...

A new survey finds an “assassination culture” growing on the American left since the attempted killing of President Donald Trump in July 2024.

Data released Monday from the Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI) found “48% and 55%” of “left of center” people “at least somewhat justifying murder for Elon Musk and President Trump, respectively.” The findings come after a historically violent election season in 2024, which saw two assassination attempts on Trump in July and September.

Again. Not contestable. A freaking majority of democrats supports violent action.

This board is one Nazi accusation after another. There's zero contest.

Or do you just not read any of that? I wouldn't blame you; it's all dreck.

Those people are always acting on their own, are never pushed to violence by rhetoric against liberals or progressives - so there's no need for "accountability."

Because most of the time the actions are explained by pure insanity.

But the left calls out the targets it wants done away with. The modern left is a running example of Henry II's call for Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest? with an ever-increasing allotment of crazies willing to put on their armor and rhetorically travel from England to Normandy. Chuck Schumer knew that when he stood on the steps of the Supreme Court itself and told Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh what was coming.

What do you think the NaziNAziNazi rhetoric is designed to do? Inspire hugs and flowers? Invoke lots of debate? No, dude: this has been standard operating procedure for at least 20 years.

No offense, but you will inevitably deflect and ignore the above. That's a part of the "no more". Most of the time I watch you do it and don't call you on it. And that's because most of the time arguing when the other side continually refuses to ack your points is good mental training.

But for some subjects that are serious, that ends today.

Go find me a poll similar to the one above that I showed you. Then let's talk.


And what does "no more" mean to you? What do you think should happen?

I Ignore most of the liberals on this board. The reason is that they have nothing to say other than "The board's righties are ...." and life is too short to sift through their nonsense and invective.

But perhaps a blanket Ignore isn't the right way. Perhaps a better way is to pick one lib at a time, isolate the stupid things posted, and hold up those particular skunks by the tail. Then after a while pick someone else.

That's what *I* mean. You may have some projected definition that you're processing that is what you think I mean (since this board is devolving into a running conspiracy theory platform), but I just gave you a clear description.

If you're uncomfortable reading this, I'm sorry. But a Rubicon was crossed yesterday. No one knows what kind of Rubicon it was.

But for me, for here, I'll redouble my challenge to take on all comers on whatever the topic is because dialogue is the answer. That's what Charlie Kirk would have wanted.

Dope1: You people revel in your Nazi accusations then hide from the accountability of what you say.

Give me a break.

JD Vance called Trumpedo "America's Hitler."

Trumpedo called Joe Biden a Nazi and Harris a fascist.

Stephen Miller called the entire Democratic Party a "domestic extremist organization."

Go find yourself a mirror.

And a sense of shame.

What do you think the NaziNAziNazi rhetoric is designed to do? Inspire hugs and flowers? Invoke lots of debate?

The same thing that the CommunistCommunistCommunist rhetoric is designed to do. Or saying that Democrats are in favor of mutilating children. Or saying that the Democratic Party:

"does not fight for, care about, or represent American citizens. It is an entity devoted exclusively [his emphasis] to the defense of hardened criminals, gang-bangers, and illegal, alien killers and terrorists. The Democrat Party is not a political party. It is a domestic extremist organization.”

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6377384186112

...or as he finishes that video, claiming that the mayor of Chicago "rejoices" in the bloodbath of that city. It's also the same thing that calling people vermin and labeling them the "threat from within" is designed to do:

"We will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within."

You surely cannot think that the rhetoric used by conservatives is limited solely to dispassionate intellectual critiques of policy ideas, right? That conservatives would never use incendiary rhetoric to demonize people they disagree with? Attack not the ideas of progressives or liberals, but attack them as people? You think PizzaGate - the viral effort by members of the alt-right-wing to spread the false belief that there was proof that the Democratic Party was a cabal of pedophiles - was designed to "inspire hugs and flowers" or "invoke lots of debate"?

It's all designed to demean and dehumanize the other side. To reduce their credibility among voters, to use extreme rhetorical comparisons to make people believe that their political rivals are not merely goodhearted citizens who might simply fail to understand what's best for the country, but genuinely evil people who want bad things to happen because that's what evil people do.

Okay, yup. Ignored the poll. Noted.
The only poll I found that asked the question in the other direction was that 1 in 4 Republicans supported political violence...and that was even conditioned on an election being compromised.

Also ignored the NaziNaziNazi rhetoric that is 75-80% of the content on this board. Noted.

It's all designed to demean and dehumanize the other side. To reduce their credibility among voters, to use extreme rhetorical comparisons to make people believe that their political rivals are not merely goodhearted citizens who might simply fail to understand what's best for the country, but genuinely evil people who want bad things to happen because that's what evil people do.

Indeed it is. But so far, only one group is having to dodge bullets. Perhaps there's a difference in how one side processes information vs. the other side: some people can distinguish hyperbole from calls for Direct Action (<--- see what I did there) and others can't.

But so far, only one group is having to dodge bullets.

Which group is that? School children? Abused wives? Kids playing with Daddy’s weapon?

Democratic State Rep Melissa Hortman? The men who plotted to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer? Gabby Giffords? JFK? Martin Luther King Jr? Alan Berg? John Lennon? Andy Warhol? Bob Marley? Marvin Gaye? Phil Hartman? Abe Lincoln? RFK? Harvey Milk? Medgar Evers?

You’re going to have to be more specific if you want anyone to know what you’re talking about.

But so far, only one group is having to dodge bullets.

You know that’s not true. You know the Horstmans were shot to death. As was another of their Democratic colleagues. Whitmer and Pelosi and Shapiro all faced violence as well.

You’re just filtering it - all the violence committed against left-leaning political figures is “different” and doesn’t count, for some reason.

You know the Horstmans were shot to death.

By a crazy man who claimed that Tim Friggin' Walz ordered him to do it. To say that's an example of "right wing violence" is dishonesty that I expect from the likes of ChatNPC.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/09/11/the-murde...

Political violence is nothing new in America. But if Kirk was indeed killed for his views this is something almost darker. He wasn’t a politician, or an oligarch. He didn’t wield any power over anyone. He made arguments. He debated. He put his ideas out there, robustly but in good faith. His slogan was ‘prove me wrong’. Then a bullet ripped through his throat, as he finished a sentence.

Kirk’s killing feels like the grim capstone to more than a decade of hysteria masquerading as care, kindness and ‘social justice’. In which mere dissent was met with demonisation, protest, violence. In which campuses became an unsafe space for those who disagreed with woke orthodoxy. In which privileged kids demanded trigger warnings, before cackling at a man’s murder.

And this is the thing. It's not allowable to disagree with certain elements of the left - you'll be branded as this or that and since "Speech is violence" you're now a target.

The intent is silence. Conservatives have dealt with this kind of social pressure for decades - it's not "fashionable" to say you voted for Trump. Or put a Romney sticker on your car. Whatever.

Again, look at the bullying and harassment on this very board as an example of social pressure.

look at the bullying and harassment on this very board as an example of social pressure.

Nope. Strike 492 (and counting).

You do not like having your claims contradicted. Too bad. Your own errors are the source(s) of most of your failures. If you stop making so many errors, your problem becomes you will have very little to post. Your choices have consequences.

By a crazy man who claimed that Tim Friggin' Walz ordered him to do it. To say that's an example of "right wing violence" is dishonesty that I expect from the likes of ChatNPC.

But then why do you include in your list the guy who shot at Trump? That wasn't any more an example of "left wing violence" than this guy was of "right wing violence" - yet you keep mentioning that in your list. Are you engaging in dishonesty?

Again, look at the bullying and harassment on this very board as an example of social pressure.

Do you believe that your behavior towards other posters on this board is welcoming and respectful? Do you think any of your interlocutors might interpret the constant deprecations and impugning their motives as harassing and bullying? I think you have a very different sense of what your own behavior and posting style is like than how others see you....

How can people be so oblivious to their own failings? The right-wing is the primary perpetrator of atrocities, and whipping people up into frenzies. Nearly always without basis (probably ALWAYS, but I can't be sure there isn't an exception out there).

Came across this article just today:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/09/charl...

The left is the "party of murder"? Liberalism needs to be "crushed with the power of the state". "They [who?] sent a trained sniper" (a trained sniper wouldn't have missed the head of a stationary target at only 140 yards).

The unhinged tirades are, frankly, a bit scary. People that unhinged are -IMO- more prone to acting out violently.

Better scrape that "Harris/Walz" sticker off of your car window, or someone might just shoot you.

But then why do you include in your list the guy who shot at Trump?

Go look at the poll.

Do you believe that your behavior towards other posters on this board is welcoming and respectful?

I give back about 0.0000000001% of the hate thrown my way. It's been that way for multiple years starting on the Fool and carried over to here. There are people I've literally never said anything to who routinely spout off.

So for those folks, this statements I think you have a very different sense of what your own behavior and posting style is like than how others see you.... elicits a giant yawn from me. Seriously. After you've been called a series of blood insults for 2 decades you tend not to care about what the droogs say.

I play a very mild form of tit-for-tat. Treat me with respect, get respect in turn. Fail to do that and in most cases I'll look the other way or just hit the Ignore button. Some posters who are special cases get the horns 100% of the time because they've earned it.

A man is dead, a clear political assassination, and yet this board is consumed with conspiracy theories and blame shifting.

It isn't clear it's a political assassination yet Dope. Don't jump the gun. Where are the consuming conspiracy theories? Not getting enough recs for me to see them? Doesn't sound consuming.

Go look at the poll.

But that guy wasn't any different than the guy who killed the three Democrats in Minnesota. Regardless of the poll. You're just filtering the examples to get the results you're looking for. A deranged person shoots at Trump for nothing to do with politics, and that makes your list; a deranged person kills several Democrats in Minnesota, and it doesn't.

After you've been called a series of blood insults for 2 decades you tend not to care about what the droogs say.

I wonder if that might be related to how you've treated them for two decades?

I play a very mild form of tit-for-tat. Treat me with respect, get respect in turn. Fail to do that and in most cases I'll look the other way or just hit the Ignore button.

I think the way you perceive yourself is very different from what you're actually doing. Just saying.

But that guy wasn't any different than the guy who killed the three Democrats in Minnesota. Regardless of the poll that shows a majority of democrats view that political assassination is the way to go in American politics.

The message went out. The message was heard. The Minnesota guy was used in a poor attempt to "both sides" this.

I wonder if that might be related to how you've treated them for two decades?

Elll.
Ohhhh.
Elll.

The mods on PA would immediately delete any post made by a right winger that even mildly pushed back on some lib. libs could say literally whatever they wanted. That tradition of righties holding their tongues while libs let it fly has continued here.

There's nothing I've ever done to these people that ever warranted any of that. Especially with - another point you choose to ignore - all the people here whom I've never interacted with who step in and fire insults.

I think the way you perceive yourself is very different from what you're actually doing.

So a series of serial insulters hate my guts. Oh, noes! Whatever am I to do?

I'm amazed at the visual filter you've constructed for yourself. This kind of thing has been going on for years and you're .... completely oblivious to it.

Why do you think Mike left this board? He got tired of the nonstop insults.

It isn't clear it's a political assassination yet Dope.

Define "political assassination". He wasn't a candidate for anything. Though, I would say, that if he was killed specifically for his political views, then it could be characterized as a political killing. I think of it more as a targeted killing, just like the UHC executive a few months ago. But I suppose that mostly is semantics.

I don't pretend to be poring over every scrap, so I could be missing something. From what I know, it was a Mauser 30-06 hunting rifle. Haven't seen yet if it had a scope. If the shooter was at all experienced (and a Mauser is a good choice, so he probably is), he wouldn't need a scope for a human sized target at that range. Unless it was windy, I don't think windage would have played much of a factor in the shot.

I haven't seen any conspiracy theories from the left (a bunch from the right, and I wasn't even looking for those). No "it's a false flag operation!" from the left, or any other BS. Seems to be pretty factual, as near as I can tell.

I'm just awaiting information.

The message went out. The message was heard.

....and the man who shot at Trump still had nothing to do with politics or left-wing activism. Why is that on your list, but the Minnesota killer is not?

I'm amazed at the visual filter you've constructed for yourself. This kind of thing has been going on for years and you're .... completely oblivious to it.

I'm not oblivious to how often you're insulted. I think you're oblivious to how insulting you are to others.

To be honest, I thought you were aware of it and reveled in it. Hearing your description of your own behavior on this thread, I'm rather surprised to hear that you think of yourself the way you do. You do not behave the way you seem to think you behave.

"To be honest, I thought you were aware of it and reveled in it"

Seriously, all of MAGA is like that. Trump is the biggest snowflake in history, he spews
insults at everybody who dares raise a question about anything he does, and he is
mortally offended if anybody hits back at him. Look at Vance, or Bondi, Mace, MTG, Boebert, or any of the talking wigs on Fox "News". They are all the epitome of " can dish it out, but can't take it".

So your sparring partner on this board is just acting 100% exactly like them.

I'm not anti Republican, but am as anti MAGA as can be. Their behavior disgusts me.
And I sure don't give a rip if they dislike me.

You do not behave the way you seem to think you behave.

Agreed. He's not even the same as on TMF. He's more prickly, for lack of a better term. (Not intended as a 'shot' at him.) I won't speculate as to why since I don't know him or his life.

....and the man who shot at Trump still had nothing to do with politics or left-wing activism.

Go see the poll upthread.

I'm not oblivious to how often you're insulted. I think you're oblivious to how insulting you are to others.

To be honest, I thought you were aware of it and reveled in it.

Please. I know exactly what I’m saying and why I’m saying it at all times. If you were a rightie on the Fool you had to learn how to insult left wingers in ways that didn’t trigger the mods.

Some of us got very good at it :). Jedi takes one path, I take another.

So yes. When called various names I reach in to the bag of tricks.

Define "political assassination".

The premeditated murder of a public figure for political motives, often to eliminate a political opponent, create instability, or achieve a specific political goal, such as a policy change or power shift.

The ammo is supposed to have trans and anti nazi messages on it.

This kind of stoking violence through rhetoric has been happening for decades; you people revel in your Nazi accusations then hide from the accountability of what you say.


Your total blindness to your hypocrisy would be funny if it weren't so damned annoying.

You are truly clueless. And what a load of crap...the right always playing the victim, when they are usually the victimizer. Listen to your Dear Leader. He is a demagogue who stokes hatred at every opportunity and who set a mob loose on our Capitol.

You really should take a look at yourself and those you support.

Rhetorical calls for violence tilt disproportionately towards the left threatening the right.

What utter bullshit!

You should get your head out of the right wing propaganda fundament.

It's been pointed out many times on this board that the data shows that the actual serious threats of violence and violent actions come from the RIGHT.

So yes. When called various names I reach in to the bag of tricks.

You have to Dope.
You’re a one man team fending off six maybe more taking turns piling up on you
and you take it all in stride like water off a duck’s back.
That doesn’t say much for the ‘other side’ does it? They can’t keep up with you.

It's been pointed out many times on this board that the data shows that the actual serious threats of violence and violent actions come from the RIGHT.


From this evening's news.

‘Credible bomb threat’ cleared from Michigan Lt. Gov. Garlin Gilchrist’s home

https://bridgemi.com/michigan-government/credible-...

Steve

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-vi...

I thought this was an interesting read from a scholar at the Cato Institute.

You have to Dope. You’re a one man team fending off six maybe more taking turns piling up on you ~LM

Indeed, defending a rapist/pedophile is a lonely existence.

Indeed, defending a rapist/pedophile is a lonely existence.

Spreading your hate and discontent is why your side has become a bunch of miserable misfits
wandering around in wasteland babbling nonsense normal people are sick and tired of hearing.
The democratic party is dying.

Spreading your hate and discontent is why your side has become a bunch of miserable misfits
wandering around in wasteland babbling nonsense normal people are sick and tired of hearing.
The democratic party is dying.

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