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“NOW THERE IS PROOF: Video Series by InvestigateJ6 Shows Police and Govt. Agents Spray J6 Crowd with Rubber Bullets, Explosive Munitions, Sound Grenades WITHOUT WARNING!
“Recent footage released by InvestigateJ6 reveals police officers started firing on unsuspecting Trump supporters on January 6, 2021, without warning.”
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“The footage also reveals that DC police continued their fire on the protesters with rubber bullets, explosive munitions, and gas canisters.

The Trump crowd that gathered on the west side of the US Capitol had no idea they were going to be fired on. There was NO WARNING.

Four Trump supporters were killed that day, including Benjamin Phillips and Kevin Greeson, who were killed when police started firing munitions on the crowd.

The fake news reported the two men had heart attacks – without adding that the men were being bombarded with exploding munitions without warning while they stood in the crowd with tens of thousands of fellow Trump supporters.

The Trump supporters also had no idea that federal officers, and undercover police had inserted themselves inside the pro-Trump crowd that day.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/now-there...

Judge for yourself

LurkerMom: Judge for yourself

In my judgment, you and the Gateway Pundit do not understand the definition of the word "proof".

i><In my judgment, you and the Gateway Pundit do not understand the definition of the word "proof".

And your judgement is contrary to the videos as non-proof is ? ? ?

In my judgment, you and the Gateway Pundit do not understand the definition of the word "proof".

Come on commonone....you made the statement and fluffed off the article..

I’ll ask you again commonone....

And your judgement is contrary to the videos as non-proof how ? ? ?

You’ve been trashing Trump for a long time over J6 and now the videos are finally
being made public. Tell us (me) what you think of these new J6 videos showing protesters getting
unruly after Capitol Police fired flash-bang grenades and teargassed the crowds?

Isn’t it more or less your claim has been the opposite? The crowds got unruly and the
Capital Police THEN opened fire on the J6 MEGA protesters?

Waiting....

Tell us (me) what you think of these new J6 videos showing protesters getting unruly after Capitol Police fired flash-bang grenades and teargassed the crowds?

How do the videos show that? The earliest of the linked videos is labeled as taking place at 1:07. The mob was already unruly before that. By that time, the rioters had already overrun three layers of police barriers and forced the police to retreat to the based of the capitol steps. Which is why the police called for emergency back-up - the mob had already broken through their perimeter.

I'm not sure what you think this shows. If you participate in a riot and overrun the police positions, they will call for back-up - and the back-up will use standard riot control tactics if the situation doesn't respond. Those riot control tactics - like tear gas - don't make people break into the U.S. Capitol.

How do the videos show that? The earliest of the linked videos is labeled as taking place at 1:07. The mob was already unruly before that. By that time the rioters had already overrun three layers of police barriers and forced the police to retreat to the based of the capitol steps. Which is why the police called for emergency back-up - the mob had already broken through their perimeter.

I'm not sure what you think this shows. If you participate in a riot and overrun the police positions, they will call for back-up - and the back-up will use standard riot control tactics if the situation doesn't respond. Those riot control tactics - like tear gas - don't make people break into the U.S. Capitol.

Your opinion is just that, your opinion.

This is an eye witness account....

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When I arrived at the building, I was approximately 30′ from the front edge of the crowd.

“Location/Time: I was on the West-side of the building from 1pm to 4pm– from the beginning of the supposed mob attack, to well past the time when USAF veteran Ashli Babbitt was shot and killed by police inside the building. Many of the images shown by the media come from this side of the building.”
“The attached video was taken by me personally and documents the below description of what I witnessed.”

The police had an ideal defensive situation, as the Capitol building sits atop a 35’ vertical limestone wall. To access the Capitol building from my location, you first needed to enter the courtyard 35’ above.

The only route to the courtyard was through a single narrow stairwell.
The cops needed only to defend the stairwell from above to contain the crowd.
Instead of staying on the high ground, the police defied all tactical logic by going to ground level and directly engaging the peaceful crowd.

Then, without warning, police began firing flash/bang grenades, tear gas, and pepper spray into the crowd.
Prior to this attack the police made no attempt to communicate with the crowd; they did not declare “an unlawful assembly” or ask the crowd to leave—they simply attacked a peaceful crowd.
A tear gas canister struck me in the head, knocking my eyeglasses to the ground.”

Read the article, check out the facts yourself instead of offering your opinion and that of the J6 trials, showing selected edited videos and the opinions of the HateTrump turncoats,

The cops needed only to defend the stairwell from above to contain the crowd.
Instead of staying on the high ground, the police defied all tactical logic by going to ground level and directly engaging the peaceful crowd.

They weren't trying to "contain" the crowd - which, again, was not peaceful as it had already overrun three separate layers of police barricades. They were trying to disperse it.

This wasn't a tactical military situation, where you can "defend" a fortified building by using deadly force at key chokepoints. This was a mob, a riot - and the key objective was to try to avoid a situation where a large press of people try to gain access to the building, where they only way to stop them would be to use deadly force rather than non-lethal crowd control methods. So yes, you absolutely engage the already-not-peaceful crowd to try to disperse them before they do what they did. Which is to use their overwhelming numbers to push into the Capitol building, as shown in the below photo (which is what I think he was describing)

I read the article, and reviewed the videos. These folks are upset because they were treated like a rioting mob that had breached the security perimeter, torn through police barricades, and overrun the television towers and scaffolding. The police deployed pretty standard mob-dispersal techniques - tear gas and other non-lethal methods. The J6 participants may feel that they were entitled to do all of this, and that having taken over all the area inside the security perimeter they should have been allowed to stay there without the police doing anything to disperse the crowd. But that's not a reasonable position, and they should neither have been surprised nor aggrieved when the police actually tried to do something to get them to leave.

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106820200-16...

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106820200-16...

Nice picture. Does not appear as an “unruly mob” to me.

Nice picture. Does not appear as an “unruly mob” to me.

Except that they're congregating in an area that it's prohibited for people to be. They've already broken through several police lines to get there - up the staircase, that the narrator you quoted said would be easy to hold.

Look - none of this is "now there is proof." None of this is new information. It is not a surprise that the plumes of tear gas that are clearly visible in photos and videos of the event did not manifest immaculately from the earth itself, but were actually the result of the police deploying tear gas. We knew that. The fact that someone went through all the bodycam footage and found the body cam of the policeman throwing the tear gas - which everyone knew had been thrown by the police - is not sudden "proof" of anything. Nor is it "proof" of anything to discover that, yes, the upper level of the Capitol have to be reached by staircases - a fact so carefully concealed that it certainly wasn't used as the name for a satire-performance group:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Steps

I understand the desire for a reframe. It's natural for Trump supporters - and especially the ones who were there - to try to characterize the events of J6 this way. Trump supporters aren't bad people. But good people don't break into the Capitol. So there must be something else - some other cause - for why the Capitol was broken into. What folks seem to have landed on is the idea that this was just a peaceful gathering that was provoked into doing something bad - that there were fed provocateurs in the crowd, that the police instigated it, that people were misled into thinking what they were doing was lawful, etc.

Whether or not you believe that reframe is credible or not, none of this stuff is "proving" anything new. It's just being cast that way so that the reframe looks less like something other than a reframe, an effort at argumentation. You have to do something to make it seem like information was concealed, like there's a conspiracy to hide the truth, an "us vs. them" type of thing. That's more pedestrian than the boring reality that, yes, an unruly mob can do a terrible thing like break into the U.S. Capitol, even if that mob is made up of Trump supporters rather than Biden supporters.

LurkerMom: Nice picture. Does not appear as an “unruly mob” to me.

Scroll down on the link that follows and you'll find a photograph of hijackers Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari as they pass through airport security on Sept. 11, 2001. They don't appear to be murderous hijackers about to join in a plot with 17 other terrorists to kill nearly 3,000 Americans... but that's exactly what they are.


https://www.npr.org/2021/09/10/1035131619/911-trav...

Except that they're congregating in an area that it's prohibited for people to be

Granted. They are loitering. They are not an “unruly mob”

So there must be something else - some other cause - for why the Capitol was broken into. What folks seem to have landed on is the idea that this was just a peaceful gathering that was provoked into doing something bad - that there were fed provocateurs in the crowd, that the police instigated it, that people were misled into thinking what they were doing was lawful, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOGXkMmtl6I

Do these people walking around in the Capital building look to be an unruly mob?
The commentators did their best though to make it seem so.
Maybe they should not have been there, they were not an “unruly mob.”

NYT Reporter Admits FBI Involvement In Jan. 6

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=356431186360786

Scroll down on the link that follows and you'll find a photograph of hijackers Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari as they pass through airport security on Sept. 11, 2001. They don't appear to be murderous hijackers about to join in a plot with 17 other terrorists to kill nearly 3,000 Americans... but that's exactly what they are.

Big eye roll 🙄 Stay on subject.

engaging the peaceful crowd.

LM, you are delusional if you believe that. Peaceful crowd? Do you just ignore the video evidence that is right in front of you?

Absurd.

<engaging the peaceful crowd.>

One member of the "peaceful crowd" admits, "The attack was far from peaceful" and gets sentenced to 4 years in prison...

Thomas Sibick, who stole a badge and radio from a police officer brutally beaten by other rioters during the attack
on the U.S. Capitol was sentenced on Friday to more than four years in prison.
"It was an attack on the institutions of our democracy and not as some would make you believe legitimate political discourse.
The attack was far from peaceful, my actions played a role that will follow me for the rest of my life." Sibick said

D.C. Police Officer Daniel Hodges, had this to say about that day...
"If it wasn't my job, I would have done that for free. It was absolutely my pleasure to crush a white nationalist insurrection.
And we'll do it as many times as it takes."

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot-fanone-sto...

"The attack was far from peaceful"

Was that before or after the Capital Police shooting of rubber bullets and tear-gased the crowds?

Was that before or after the Capital Police shooting of rubber bullets and tear-gassed the crowds?

Before. The crowd overran the police barricades and breached the security perimeter well before the reinforcements arrived (which emergency call for reinforcements was in response to the crowd's failure to behave peacefully).

Granted. They are loitering. They are not an “unruly mob”

They've taken over the Capitol grounds. They've breached the Capitol's security perimeter at least four times by this point. That is not an orderly and legal gathering of people - it's a mob that's in continued violation of the law.

It's not some huge revelation that, at any given time, there were large numbers of people that were at any moment just walking or standing around. That's the nature of a mob - the people in the back, away from the 'cutting edge' of the mob, won't be doing much in the moment. You could have a hundred people in, say, a lynch mob - but only a handful of folks can be doing the actual lynching. The rest are mostly participating through their presence.

So yes, the mob was an unruly mob - even though at any moment in time, many (if not most) of the people who comprise that mob wouldn't be doing anything individually chaotic in those moments. None of this is new, none of it is revelatory - and none of it is "proof" that the mob that stormed the Capitol by force wasn't really doing anything wrong.

Other reports indicate the Capitol police fired into the crowd first. Guess we’ll have to see.

Other reports indicate the Capitol police fired into the crowd first.

What reports? The one you linked at the top of the thread cites the earlies instance of that as being at 1:07. The security perimeter was overrun about twenty minutes before that - which is why they called for the non-lethal crowd control team as back-up in the first place.

I think you mean LurkerMom; that was my first post in this thread.

I’ll wait and reserve judgement until I can see for myself what happened. Good on the Speaker for releasing the entire set of tape so the public can see for itself.

Other reports indicate the Capitol police fired into the crowd first. Guess we’ll have to see.

Yes, exactly. The public was spooned fed accounts by a one sided Kangaroo court along with
turncoat RINOs and selected edited videos.

Dope: Other reports indicate the Capitol police fired into the crowd first. Guess we’ll have to see.

LM: Yes, exactly. The public was spooned fed accounts by a one sided Kangaroo court along with
turncoat RINOs and selected edited videos.

I'd like to remind you there's plenty of video showing people talking the night before about going into the capitol, and declaring a man who emphasized going into the capitol and peacefully as a Fed. (Tucker Carlson made his life a mess.) So if you are intent on going into the capitol, and you have to break through barriers and police in order to do that, the police - not understanding you want to break into the capitol (some to ziptie congress and hang Mike Pence) - might use standard crowd dispersal tactics instead of napalm and claymores. So let me emphasize:

YOU PLANNED AND TALKED ABOUT IT THE NIGHT BEFORE AND IT'S ON VIDEO.

https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106820200-16...

Nice picture. Does not appear as an “unruly mob” to me.

You must really love cherries.....picked just for you.

Did you not watch that riotous invasion unfold before your eyes when it occurred on Jan 6, 2021? I happened to be home with my husband that day. He'd had cataract surgery the day before and we'd seen the eye doctor on the 6th for his post-op checkup. After we got home we turned on TV. And Trump's rally was getting a lot of real-time news coverage. So we watched the latter speakers, and then the march down to the Capitol Building, and then......and then.....watched in horror as these Trump supporters knocked down the barriers, climbed up wherever they could get a foothold/handhold and then were followed by hordes of screaming people, then forced their way into the building, punching and knocking down the Capitol police who were trying to protect the building......and then mobbing the building. We watched it as it happened. And it was absolutely terrifying!

What world do you live in?

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