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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/14/2024 9:11 PM
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https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA2981...

Global Catastrophic Risk Assessment
Henry H. Willis, Anu Narayanan, Benjamin Boudreaux, Bianca Espinosa, Edward Geist, Daniel M. Gerstein, Dahlia Anne Goldfeld, Nidhi Kalra, Tom LaTourrette, Emily Lathrop, et al.




Congress passed the Global Catastrophic Risk Management Act in 2022, which requires that the Secretary of Homeland Security and the administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency coordinate an assessment of global catastrophic risk related to a set of threats and hazards. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security Science and Technology Directorate and the Federal Emergency Management Agency requested the Homeland Security Operational Analysis Center's support in meeting this requirement. The authors of this report document findings from the resulting analysis.


This is what they're looking at:
This report summarizes what is known about the risks associated with six threats and hazards: artificial intelligence; asteroid and comet impacts; sudden and severe changes to Earth's climate; nuclear war; severe pandemics, whether resulting from naturally occurring events or from synthetic biology; and supervolcanoes.

So. What is the risk level?

Climate
change
Most significant consequence:
• The primary significant
consequences would be death,
disruption, and degradation of
ecosystem stability.
• The secondary significant
consequence would be the
slowing of economic growth
and reduced human capabilities
induced by environmental,
economic, and ecosystem
damage.

Likelihood of risk:

• A 2.0°C rise in temperature is
likely and considered catastrophic
on a local to regional scale but
not globally. The probability of
more-severe global warming over
4.0°C is estimated to be less than
1% but could create potentially
catastrophic outcomes.

Quality of evidence supporting the assessment:
• Observations of ecological
changes and significant
uncertainty about climate hazards
and Earth-system tipping points
exist, with robust near-term
temperature predictions but
greater uncertainty in later
decades.

In other words, it depends on their models.

The TL;DR is that climate change isn't considered a global threat.

The report also has something to say about climate activists:
“A strong, international activist movement now exists that engages in advocacy for addressing climate change. That movement emphasizes the urgency of climate change; sponsors civic engagement efforts, including protest and civil disobedience, particularly among youths around the globe; and argues that climate change is a potential existential risk. . . although social movements reflect a genuine and legitimate concern about climate change’s potential risks to society, they are not necessarily grounded in objective assessment of those risks.”



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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/14/2024 9:30 PM
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they are not necessarily grounded in objective assessment of those risks.”

Are the models used by property insurers in Florida an objective assessment of risk?
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/14/2024 9:51 PM
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Are the models used by property insurers in Florida an objective assessment of risk?

So you're saying it's expensive to insure homes in hurricane-affected areas? Tell me more.
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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/14/2024 10:18 PM
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So you're saying it's expensive to insure homes in hurricane-affected areas? Tell me more.

It’s always been expensive. Now it’s astronomically expensive. And soon, you won’t be able to insure a house at all in Florida because the insurers are beginning to pull out of that market.

Why the change? What do they know that you don’t?

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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/14/2024 10:36 PM
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Congress passed the Global Catastrophic Risk Management Act in 2022, which requires that the Secretary of Homeland Security and the administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency coordinate an assessment of global catastrophic risk related to a set of threats and hazards. The U.S. Department of Homeland Security Science and Technology Directorate and the Federal Emergency Management Agency requested the Homeland Security Operational Analysis Center's support in meeting this requirement. The authors of this report document findings from the resulting analysis.

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That report sounds tedious, and costly to produce. Elon and Vivek should take a hard look at killing it. There are lots of mandatory reports embedded in various legislation forcing some agency or regulated company to produce annual reports on controversial topics with the hope they will write something that can be used politically later to twist their arms and walk them further down the gang plank of fealty.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/15/2024 12:22 AM
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Why the change? What do they know that you don’t?

Hmm. Has we had an unusual number of hurricanes? Historically speaking?

At any rate, the report said that climate change isn’t a global existential threat.
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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/15/2024 11:31 AM
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California should reimburse Florida for any and all damage from Climate Change.

After all, they're Attorney General. Senator, and favorite Daughter - Kamala - is an ardent supporter of drilling and fracking.
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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/15/2024 11:45 AM
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Kamala - is an ardent supporter of drilling and fracking.

And of course Donnie “Drill baby drill” will stop all that drilling and fracking on Day 1.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/15/2024 12:24 PM
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And of course Donnie “Drill baby drill” will stop all that drilling and fracking on Day 1.

Why should he? Global climate change isn't an existential threat to humanity.

Per Biden's report.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/15/2024 12:26 PM
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• A 2.0°C rise in temperature is likely and considered catastrophicon a local to regional scale but
not globally.


I don't care about globally, is it a threat to locales in the good ol' USA? TLDR that.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/15/2024 12:32 PM
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Are the models used by property insurers in Florida an objective assessment of risk?

So you're saying it's expensive to insure homes in hurricane-affected areas? Tell me more.


Responses beginning with "So you're saying" are followed with logical fallacies and/or outright lies.

Actuaries are damned good at assessing risk. It's more expensive to insure boats everywhere because of increasing strength and frequency of tropical storms.

To wit, my premiums in SoCal got raised since all the vessels in the insurance companies marine portfolio have to subsidize the all the other vessels in the portfolio. Actuaries know the increasing strength and frequency of hurricanes impacting the gulf and east coast will require more premiums from all vessels in their portfolio to cover the projected damages.
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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/15/2024 12:34 PM
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I don't care about globally, is it a threat to locales in the good ol' USA? TLDR that.

Apparently it’s a threat along the Florida & Gulf coast.

But they voted for Trump, so according to the loyalty standard that Trump is quickly establishing………… f’ ‘em the next time a Democratic administration takes over.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/15/2024 12:39 PM
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But they voted for Trump, so according to the loyalty standard that Trump is quickly establishing………… f’ ‘em the next time a Democratic administration takes over.

You can just feel the love, amirite? One big happy family here in the United States, courtesy of the left...who just can fathom that after years of telling people how much they're NAZIHITLERFASCISTSCUM why people don't like them.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/15/2024 12:44 PM
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who just can fathom that after years of telling people how much they're NAZIHITLERFASCISTSCUM why people don't like them.

NAZIHITLERFASCISTSCUM hate the light that shows them for what they are.

I accept the Catch22 that being intolerant of the intolerant makes the intolerant intolerant.

I am intolerant of NAZIHITLERFASCISTSCUM.
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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/15/2024 1:50 PM
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And of course Donnie “Drill baby drill” will stop all that drilling and fracking on Day 1.
***

No way! He's reaching out to Kamala and Sheeple and he's gonna do what they want -0 drill drill drill FRACK FRACK.

*baaaaaa whisper whimper.....baaaaa yeah frack blah blah market will take care of it......BAAAAAAAA :)

Ahhh sweet memories. Almost better than sweet mammaries.


BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Author: BlueGrits   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/17/2024 6:50 PM
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The primary significant consequences would be death, disruption, and degradation of ecosystem stability.

In everyday language: Untold millions die due to increased storms, flooding, rising sea levels, higher temperatures, and disappearing land masses.

The secondary significant consequence would be the slowing of economic growth and reduced human capabilities
induced by environmental, economic, and ecosystem damage.


In everyday language: Because of the above, economic systems will be thrown into total chaos and put the future of civilization into question.

Given this, the only possible conclusion is that we should do nothing because we don't want to anyway. Besides, by the time people catch on we'll be long gone.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/17/2024 8:34 PM
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Given this, the only possible conclusion is that we should do nothing because we don't want to anyway. Besides, by the time people catch on we'll be long gone.

Great analysis. It tells me you didn’t look at the report without you actually admitting you didn’t look at the report.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Climate change not an existential threat
Date: 11/18/2024 4:16 PM
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I don't care about globally, is it a threat to locales in the good ol' USA? TLDR that.

Apparently it’s a threat along the Florida & Gulf coast.


It's a threat in several places, but with high, and low confidence. We don't know which areas are going to go into desertification. With low confidence the Southwest arid area and High Desert area to the north may expand. My concern is that we built an irrigation system in those semi-desert areas west of the 100th meridian and the source of the water may change. We may have an engineering irrigation problem to fix - in the future.

But mostly we'll head north to be in the nicer temperature zones.

If the Gulf Stream stops, there will be a 3 foot rise on the Atlantic coast.

None of these are catastrophic, but our world will change and there will be hardships. Climate change is of medium importance to me. We should plug the methane leaks in the Midwest and West. But - we let China continue with coal and now we are going to conduct the great experiment.

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