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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Democrats Must declare Class Warfare
Date: 11/17/2024 4:25 PM
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Republicans have successfully waged class warfare against the middle class for 45 years.

Time for Democrats to return the favor.

Time for FDR 2.0.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/how-to-stop-the-billi...
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Author: intercst   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Democrats Must declare Class Warfare
Date: 11/18/2024 2:57 AM
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Good idea. But Corporate Democrats are taking the drug money, and bedding down with the GOP and the oligarchs. Who's going to wage the Class War?

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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Democrats Must declare Class Warfare
Date: 11/18/2024 5:43 AM
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They can't.

First off, Sheeple looks the other way, OR shrugs like a typical Sheep follower when Corporatist Democrats enjoy trysts with anyone from Goldman Sachs to Northrop Grumman to Pfizer.

Then Sheeple shrugs and looks the other way when things like NAFTA turn Ohio into a red state.

NOW the money shot.......

*Yes* Democrats would win with FDR 2.0. Heck - Red States like lots of FDR 2.0.

BUT FDR wasn't saying that illegals shouldn't be sent. (Actually he put people in camps.....is that part of 2.0?)

FDR didn't have to carry water for illegal immigrations.

FDR didnt have to carry water for men in dresses using people's daughter's locker rooms or sports teams.

So.....

Once Sheeple stops being stubborn and pretends he is onboard with democracy .........FDR 2.0 can happen.

Until then , Sheeple is preventing FDR 2.0

If Sheeple would get out of the way and be quiet, Dems would win on things like FDR 2.0

Because this far, Republicans seem hell bent on hurting themselves on social Security, medicare, affordable care act.

But as usual, Sheeple is there to save them.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Author: Goofyhoofy 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Democrats Must declare Class Warfare
Date: 11/18/2024 10:44 AM
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Good idea. But Corporate Democrats are taking the drug money, and bedding down with the GOP and the oligarchs. Who's going to wage the Class War?

Somebody smart enough to realize that “money” doesn’t win an election if you don’t have some sort of emotional or political tie to the majority. Kamala had more money than Trump, and spent it. How did that turn out?

The lower economic classes are being led (by the nose) on culture issues: trans rights, gay rights, no Bible in school, and other heartland nonsense. You are not going to win them by trying to buy them (school loan forgiveness) or appealing to logic (inflation has actually come down) or making them eat their vegetables (coal, steel, etc. offshoring your jobs but don’t worry, there will be other jobs, maybe).

I have long wondered, why don’t the Democrats have populists? Bernie Sanders is about the only one, and he’s too old, labeled himself with a toxic brand (socialist), and represents an outlier state with zero influence. Is he the only one who can “populist” from the other side?
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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Democrats Must declare Class Warfare
Date: 11/18/2024 10:58 AM
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Holy Shit a perfect GooofyHoofy post.


Trumpers - pray Dems dont listen to Goofy.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Democrats Must declare Class Warfare
Date: 11/18/2024 11:57 AM
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Trumpers - pray Dems dont listen to Goofy.

The democrats don't have populists? Lol. The party is full of nothing *but* populists. They're just populists for...coastal "elite" dipwads who don't know much of anything.

Somebody who can talk to the Normies - and articulate policies beneficial to them - are what the little d's don't have. They have 1 guy in Josh Shapiro but since they don't like certain tribes shall we say there's no way they'll listen to him. I could be wrong; eventually the people that really run that party (hint: not the voters) will have to right the ship.
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Democrats Must declare Class Warfare
Date: 11/18/2024 12:29 PM
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I have long wondered, why don’t the Democrats have populists?

They do, to some extent. Sanders is the most visible politician from that faction of the party, but there are others.

The major obstacle to Democratic populism actually driving the party, though, is that the Democrats are the home of the intelligentsia. Even more than the "corporate" Democrats, the intelligentsia Democrats have the whip hand over internal party politics. That's all the people who make their living in the knowledge economy but aren't necessarily the capitalists - the academics, entertainers, media folks, journalists, and the like. They have enormous cultural power and capital that the working class lacks access to. Class analysis has always been a little muddled on where the intelligentsia land. They are not the capitalist class, but are usually far more bourgeoisie that proletariat.

For the populist faction to really drive the agenda in the Democratic party, the intelligentsia "class" has to lose control over the agenda. And that's not going to happen. There's already been a class war in the Democratic party, and the working class lost that fight to the intelligentsia class.

I keep coming back to this, but there is no clearer example of that than the Inflation Reduction Act. Originally, Democrats like Sanders wanted every Democratic policy in the IRA (the $6 trillion plan), and it included most of the pro-labor measures from the PRO Act. But once the BBB got into the legislative grinder, and the Democrats had to start prioritizing, the item that got prioritized above everything else was fighting climate change. Other programs either got dumped (almost all of the pro-labor stuff, all the child care money) or were given a super-short sunset period to game the budgetary impact (like the child tax credit) - but the climate change money stayed the largest piece, and was not at risk of sunsetting.

Climate change is a super-low priority issue for most voters - but it's a very high-priority issue for the college-educated progressive "intelligentsia" faction of the Democrats. So the Democrats landing on climate change as their biggest revealed priority in the IRA shows who has the strength in the party.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Democrats Must declare Class Warfare
Date: 11/18/2024 5:01 PM
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The lower economic classes are being led (by the nose) on culture issues: trans rights, gay rights, no Bible in school, and other heartland nonsense. - Goofy.

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Still not getting it!

The lower economic classes are being led on culture issues: such as rampant crime, cost of living, government assistance being diverted to immigrants, overcrowding in schools and hospitals, etc that sort of heartland nonsense.

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