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Author: unquarked   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: OT: what does an expanding universe mean?
Date: 04/14/2024 9:39 PM
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opg: "Complexification" may mean "growing more complex"?

There's so much more to evolving existence.
"Boundless complexity" doesn't begin to capture emergence.

opg: What is "timelessly"? If there is no time, there is no evolution of anything (complexity, stellar formation, etc).

This discussion has prompted a deep dive review of many notions,
including:
•Complex Adaptive Systems [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_adaptive_sys...]
•Emergence [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence]
•Quantum Entanglement [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement]
•Big History [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_History]
•Cosmic Evolution [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Evolution_(book)]
•Technological Singularity [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singul...]
•Problem of Time [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_time]
•Free Will [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will]

I was particularly struck by Big History,
which I'd been unaware of as a 'thing.'
Very informative, though apparently needing more work.

Wikipedia [CAS]: Typical examples of complex adaptive systems include: climate; cities; firms; markets; governments; industries; ecosystems; social networks; power grids; animal swarms; traffic flows; social insect (e.g. ant) colonies; the brain and the immune system; and the cell and the developing embryo.

These all exemplify macroscopic emergence
within organically evolving experience —
representations in spacetime.

I'd suggest that in the course of most day-to-day experience,
we have no sense of our relations within the overall scheme of things.

Wikipedia [Problem of Time]: In theoretical physics, the problem of time is a conceptual conflict between general relativity and quantum mechanics in that quantum mechanics regards the flow of time as universal and absolute, whereas general relativity regards the flow of time as malleable and relative.

As for "timelessness," my view is that everything happens at once,
as sages have presaged for ages,
and we humans parse it as fragmentary perception
of a totality regarded as past,
augmented as present
and anticipated as future.
Observation is regarded as decohering
coherently entangled prior experience,
including:

•sensation regarded as environment
•recollection regarded as past,
•cognition in the present,
•anticipation regarded as future,
•articulation regarded as behavior,
•remembrance regarded as oneself.

Present experience decoheres an erstwhile environmental coherence.

Everything makes a little more sense to me following my review,
so thanks for encouraging the exploration.

The truth is, much of this has been under discussion for centuries,
if not millennia.

Thanks for sharing that my writing sometimes strikes you as poetic,
though I hope that doesn't mean you find it less understandable.
The goal of my writings is comprehensibility.

Tom
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