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Author: longtimebrk   😊 😞
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Subject: Fwiw - hard to beat S&P
Date: 02/15/2024 4:22 PM
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“ Berkshire Hathaway BRK.A BRK.B stock over the past 20 years has almost precisely equaled the return of the S&P 500 SPX. Let that sink in for a minute. Berkshire Hathaway’s CEO, Warren Buffett, widely considered to be the most successful investor alive today, has merely matched the market’s return over the past two decades.”

Of course it depends on prudent buying when attractive
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Author: longtimebrk   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Fwiw - hard to beat S&P
Date: 02/15/2024 4:29 PM
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I always love the line - “ call to Berkshire office was not immediately returned”

Something along those lines

Remind me of “ when the phone doesn’t ring you will know it’s me”

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Author: Texirish 🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Fwiw - hard to beat S&P
Date: 02/15/2024 4:41 PM
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always love the line - “ call to Berkshire office was not immediately returned”

Something along those lines

Remind me of “ when the phone doesn’t ring you will know it’s me”


I remember a Yellow BRK'er party - I think in 1999 - when we gave Debbie, Warren's secturary, a tee shirt. It said "What part of NO don't you understand?" Warren also values his time and privacy.
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Author: ciao8   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Fwiw - hard to beat S&P
Date: 02/15/2024 5:49 PM
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"....the most successful investor alive today, has merely matched the market’s return over the past two decades.”

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Not only has He matched the index....
He has significantly reduced the sales of stomach antacids to Berkshire shareholder-owners during 2000,2001,2002,2008,2018,& 2022 when the S&P fell an ave of -17.1% while BRK increased an ave of +7.2% return.

I believe Behavioral Economics claims, "It is thought that the pain of losing is psychologically about twice as powerful as the pleasure of gaining."
For me, I think the multiplier is even greater and am quite willing to give up a % or 2 just to know that the front office in Omaha is thinking of me as a part owner when others are headed for the local Pharmacy.

https://blog.umd.edu/davidkass/2023/12/30/berkshir...

ciao
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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Fwiw - hard to beat S&P
Date: 02/16/2024 6:39 AM
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“ Berkshire Hathaway BRK.A BRK.B stock over the past 20 years has almost precisely equaled the return of the S&P 500 SPX. Let that sink in for a minute. Berkshire Hathaway’s CEO, Warren Buffett, widely considered to be the most successful investor alive today, has merely matched the market’s return over the past two decades.”

Of course it depends on prudent buying when attractive


That, and starting/ending valuation might be a factor.

20 years ago, S&P500 CAPE was about 27, current CAPE is about 34.

CAPE was approx. 34 in April 2001:
CAGR April 2001 - Jan 2024
S&P500 8.4%
Brk.b 10.0%

CAPE was approx. 34 in Jan 1998.
CAGR Jan 1998 - Jan 2024
S&P500 8.2%
Brk.b 10.2%

I first bought (overpriced) Berkshire shares in January 1999. It worked out OK (+1.2% CAGR).
Not as well as the later purchases once I leaned what price to book value meant.
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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Fwiw - hard to beat S&P
Date: 02/16/2024 6:57 AM
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Not only has He matched the index....
He has significantly reduced the sales of stomach antacids to Berkshire shareholder-owners during 2000,2001,2002,2008,2018,& 2022 when the S&P fell an ave of -17.1% while BRK increased an ave of +7.2% return.


Berkshire sometimes zigs when the market zags. That can be nice, or not, depending.
Berkshire has a higher standard deviation (18% vs 15%, 1999-2024).
Lower max drawdown (46% vs 51%) but remembering those times still makes me shudder.

Going off on a tangent, I'm reading a book about retirement. One story of a couple who retired early, having a grand old time, then along came 2008. They lost 3/4 of their nest egg and now one of them works as a cashier in a grocery store. One wonders how they managed to lose 75%. I suspect they had nowhere near enough to retire on in the first place.
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: Fwiw - hard to beat S&P
Date: 02/16/2024 9:53 AM
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“ Berkshire Hathaway BRK.A BRK.B stock over the past 20 years has almost precisely equaled the return of the S&P 500 SPX. Let that sink in for a minute. Berkshire Hathaway’s CEO, Warren Buffett, widely considered to be the most successful investor alive today, has merely matched the market’s return over the past two decades.”

True enough.

Though it's possible one might want to consider the emphasis on the word "past".
It HAS been difficult to beat the S&P, but that does not necessarily mean that it will continue to be true in the same way.

After all, management is responsible for business results. Mr Market determines the price. The two can diverge over long periods sometimes.

Consider what management has achieved, without considering Mr Market's opinion of it:
http://www.stonewellfunds.com/BerkshireAndSpyValue...
This graph is suitable for comparing the progress of the value of a Berkshire share to the progress of the value of the S&P Index. It's not a graph of total return.
Warm red/orange colours = possible yardsticks of value for Berkshire
Cool greenish colours = possible yardsticks of value for the S&P 500
I made the spots bigger for the yardsticks that are the best metrics of value in each case.

Berkshire's value has risen quite a lot more than that of the S&P 500 in the last couple of decades.
Berkshire has become cheaper, and the S&P has become more expensive, so the market returns (once you add the dividends for the S&P) have been close to a tie.

Again, this doesn't say what will happen in future. But it's a deeper view of the past. Prices fluctuate.


As an aside, the 20 year mark is a particularly unlucky interval for Berkshire vs S&P price comparisons : )
Brk absolutely trounced the S&P in the period 20-23 years ago. And that wasn't back in the era of Berkshire's fast value growth, just Mr Market doing his thing.

Jim

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