Hi, Shrewd!        Login  
Shrewd'm.com 
A merry & shrewd investing community
Best Of BRK.ABest OfAll BoardsThe Shrewd’m WeeklyLearn to InvestHow to Become Shrewd
Search
Shrewd'm.com Merry shrewd investors
Search
Best Of BRK.ABest OfAll BoardsThe Shrewd’m WeeklyLearn to InvestHow to Become Shrewd


The week's question
In March 2025, in the thread "Re: OT, out", Umm asked the members: "Do you think it is because America is made up of magical soil that makes businesses based in America magically profitable?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
Answer this questionContinue to Shrewd'mThis note won't appear again
Stocks A to Z / Stocks B / Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A)
Unthreaded | Threaded | Whole Thread (26) |
Author: DTB ✶  😊 😞
Number: of 22353 
Subject: Re: O/t, Ackman to follow the Buffett model?
Date: 01/20/25 2:47 PM
Post New | Post Reply | Report Post | Recommend It!
No. of Recommendations: 3
I’m think a 50.4% fee for the entire industry gains sounds fine. Ackman and his hedge friend friends serve an important societal role: They’ve collectively done more to reduce America’s wealth disparity than any individual, political movement, or industry I know of. I salute them.

While the clients are usually relatively rich, the managers who siphon off all this money are even richer, so it's not really helping.

The typical fees are 2% management and 20% performance fees; Pershing is high, but not quite that high, with 1.5% and 16%. More importantly, the client who has had the very high returns that Pershing has obtained is unlikely to complain about going from 20% to 15%, but if the pre-fee return is much lower than 20%, as is typical for the hedge funds analysed, that fixed 2% management fee really kills. The 50.4% overall fee is what was observed for the whole industry; the number for the top-20 hedge funds was 34.3% (for the smaller hedge funds, it was 55.7%.) For Pershing, with 256% returns over the last 10 years even after fees, compared to 113% for the S&P (both without dividends), it's a bit easier to live with the high fees than for the average HF which underperforms the S&P after fees.

Post New | Post Reply | Report Post | Recommend It!
Print the post
Members reply directly to DTB here — and replies get answered. Reading is free; so is joining the conversation. Join Shrewd'm »
This community has written 21,861 posts about Berkshire Hathaway. The article-length ones it recommended most:
BRK: Why Not XOM? · 62 recs · 2024
Second quarter comments · 60 recs · 2023
Berkshire's Profit Contributors · 58 recs · 2023
Summary of 2Q 2026 · 55 recs · 2026
3Q Summary · 53 recs · 2024
Unthreaded | Threaded | Whole Thread (26) |


Announcements
Berkshire Hathaway FAQ
Contact Shrewd'm
Contact the developer of these message boards.

Best Of BRK.A | Best Of | Favourites & Replies | All Boards | Followed Shrewds | Open Questions | Moving a community