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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 10:41 AM
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report this story. Conspiracy nuts gone wild !! https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/chi...
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 10:47 AM
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Pretty much only the hardcore Fauci-is-The-Science types really believe the wet market nonsense at this point. Unfortunately, this board is crawling with them.
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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 11:00 AM
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How did covid become political ? When will we get the facts? Pathetic.
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Author: Boater   😊 😞
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Date: 01/17/2024 11:03 AM
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"How did covid become political ? When will we get the facts?"

It became political when the left realized it was the perfect tool to use to modify existing voting laws ahead of the 2020 election.
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 11:19 AM
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Dope1: Pretty much only the hardcore Fauci-is-The-Science types really believe the wet market nonsense at this point. Unfortunately, this board is crawling with them.

Yeah, like this guy: “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

And the same guy again: “Just had a long and very good conversation by phone with President Xi of China. He is strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus. He feels they are doing very well, even building hospitals in a matter of only days. Nothing is easy, but he will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone. Great discipline is taking place in China, as President Xi strongly leads what will be a very successful operation. We are working closely with China to help!”

All praise Orange Jesus.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 12:01 PM
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It became political when the left realized it was the perfect tool to use to modify existing voting laws ahead of the 2020 election.

And when blue state governors and blue city mayors realized that they could lock their citizens in their homes and people would go along with it. Once they got a taste of that kind of power...
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 12:37 PM
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... you faintly hear murmuring in the distance, yet it is hardly comprehensible ...

Pretty much only the hardcore Fauci-is-The-Science types really believe the wet market nonsense at this point. Unfortunately, this board is crawling with them.


That it started at the market still has the highest probability at this point.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 12:42 PM
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That it started at the market still has the highest probability at this point.

No it doesn't.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/03/covid-19-o...

On Tuesday, FBI director Christopher Wray publicly acknowledged that the Bureau considers an accidental biohazard leak from a laboratory in China to be the likeliest cause of the COVID-19 pandemic. The assessment had been made in August 2021, as part of an intelligence review ordered by President Biden. In an interview that aired on Fox News yesterday, Wray broke his silence on the matter, saying, “The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.” He added, “Here you are talking about a potential leak from a Chinese government-controlled lab.”

They knew this a long time ago.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 1:25 PM
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Dope: On Tuesday, FBI director Christopher Wray publicly acknowledged that the Bureau considers an accidental biohazard leak from a laboratory in China to be the likeliest cause of the COVID-19 pandemic. The assessment had been made in August 2021, as part of an intelligence review ordered by President Biden. In an interview that aired on Fox News yesterday, Wray broke his silence on the matter, saying, “The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.” He added, “Here you are talking about a potential leak from a Chinese government-controlled lab.”

Ok, Dope, what is the FBIs area of expertise? Does the area of FBI expertise encompass tracking airborne highly transmissible diseases?

NO.

Also, the right doesn't trust or like the FBI. So how does the FBI become the most trusted source for something outside of it's area of expertise for the right wing?


<snip> SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN, April 12, 2023
"This twist to the origins search began in early March, when scientists at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CCDC) and their colleagues uploaded genetic data from swabs taken at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market to a scientific database. An international team of researchers led by Crits-Christoph found the overlapping genetic material of animals and the virus at the same spots in the market, a connection the Chinese researchers soon confirmed with their own analysis in Nature.

The proximity is key, says Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization–International Vaccine Center in Saskatchewan and one of the collaborators on the international report. “It's not a ‘smoking raccoon dog,’ but it is pretty indicative that in exactly the same part of the market that our other analyses suggested we would find the animals, now we found them in that exact spot—with the virus and without, importantly, much human [DNA present],” Rasmussen says. The findings confirm previous reports that live animals were sold at that market, and evolutionary biologist Edward Holmes of the University of Sydney—a co-author of the international team's report—had photographed live raccoon dogs there several years earlier.

What the swab results don't do is confirm that the raccoon dogs or other animals were actually infected with the virus or that they were the animals that first spread it to people. The leading alternative scenario is that the virus leaked from one of several virology labs in Wuhan that conduct research on coronaviruses. And although there is no direct evidence for this or other theories, the new data cannot rule them out.
Raccoon dog...

...Such lingering uncertainty isn't unusual: tracing the origin of a new viral disease can take decades. For instance, masked palm civets sold at an animal market in Guangdong, China, were identified as an intermediate host of the SARS virus that caused an epidemic in 2002–2003, but it took another 15 years to trace the source of the virus to bats; the origin of the Ebola virus, as well as those of many other viruses, has never been found. With SARS-CoV-2, the Chinese government's reticence to release all the data it has collected has hampered the origins search—for example, the CCDC team first released a preprint of the market data in 2022, two years after collecting them, and they didn't label the animal species present.

Many of the virus-positive samples were clustered in the market's southwestern corner, in the same place where stalls selling live animals were previously reported. Half a dozen virus-positive samples were also positive for raccoon dog DNA or RNA, often at higher amounts than human genetic material. One sample, known as Q61, contained a lot of raccoon dog material but very little human material. The report's authors also found genetic material from Amur hedgehogs, Malayan porcupines, masked palm civets, Siberian weasels, hoary bamboo rats, and other animals. Any of these species may have served as an intermediate host of the virus, which scientists believe likely originated in wild bats. Most of these other animals, however, have not been shown to be susceptible to SARS-CoV-2. Raccoon dogs have.

“This is not conclusive evidence that an animal was infected, but it's very consistent with that,” Crits-Christoph says. If the market were not the place where SARS-CoV-2 crossed from animals into people but instead the site of a superspreader event caused by people who were already infected, “you'd have to ask, Why there?” Crits-Christoph says. “If humans brought it there, why did they bring it to the place in Wuhan with the most stalls selling wild animals?”
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-ne...

So the PEOPLE WITH EXPERTISE IN THE AREA say it's not conclusive, but one can conclude by the questions asked that the market source has a much higher probability at this point in time.


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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 1:49 PM
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So the PEOPLE WITH EXPERTISE IN THE AREA say it's not conclusive, but one can conclude by the questions asked that the market source has a much higher probability at this point in time.

The 'people with expertise in the area' also got COVID wrong from the very start.

But do keep dying on the wet market hill.

BTW:
https://news.yahoo.com/lab-leak-not-conspiracy-the...
https://twitter.com/COVIDSelect/status/17450483238...
https://twitter.com/COVIDSelect/status/17450483252...


Dr. Fauci claimed that the “6 feet apart” social distancing recommendation promoted by federal health officials was likely not based on any data.

"It just sort of appeared."

Dr. Fauci acknowledged that the lab-leak hypothesis is not a conspiracy theory.

This comes nearly four years after prompting the publication of the now infamous “Proximal Origin” paper that attempted to vilify and disprove the lab-leak hypothesis.


YHeh:
An international team of researchers led by Crits-Christoph found the overlapping genetic material of animals and the virus at the same spots in the market, a connection the Chinese researchers soon confirmed with their own analysis in Nature.

And the Chinese have been on the up and up this entire time with COVID, amirite?



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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 2:09 PM
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Every day more comes out:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthca...

House Republicans said Thursday that the genetic sequence for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was isolated and mapped by researchers in China in late December 2019, two weeks before Beijing revealed the existence of the deadly virus to global public health authorities.

In other words, they knew all about the thing before the first Patient Zeroes showed up in the US or elsewhere.

“This significant discovery further underscores why we cannot trust any of the so-called ‘facts’ or data provided by the CCP and calls into serious question the legitimacy of any scientific theories based on such information,” said House Energy and Commerce Committee chairwoman Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA), subcommittee on health chairman Brett Guthrie (R-KY), and subcommittee on oversight and investigations chairman Morgan Griffith (R-VA). The legislators, whose committee released the documents, said the new information proves the need for improved oversight of grant research funding and biosecurity practices.

Before someone asks, the US Department of Energy has jurisdiction in these areas.

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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 2:32 PM
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Dope: So the PEOPLE WITH EXPERTISE IN THE AREA say it's not conclusive, but one can conclude by the questions asked that the market source has a much higher probability at this point in time.

The 'people with expertise in the area' also got COVID wrong from the very start.


I was in the Philippines listening to the Asians, not the West. So I just frowned at the west because they were stuck in handsy touchy thingsy then touchy facey area, whereas the Asians were immediately - it's airborne. Japan came up with the three Cs. All of the Asians considered it was animal origin - it's wasn't political like the West, just Occam's razor. But your response is whataboutism.

None of that counters the fact that the market source is still considered most highly likely by those with expertise in the area.

Nor have you explained why your distrust of the FBI goes out the window with their assessment on Covid origins.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Date: 01/17/2024 2:53 PM
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All of the Asians considered it was animal origin - it's wasn't political like the West, just Occam's razor.

Then science information is lacking out east. Occam's razor wouldn't dictate a convoluted pathway from a bat to a pangolin to a wet market.

Here, Jon Stewart said it best: https://youtu.be/sSfejgwbDQ8?t=202
The disease is the same name as the lab...There's been an outbreak of chocolaty goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania. What do you think happened? I don't know. Maybe a steam shovel made it with a cocoa bean.

Look up "whataboutism". It doesn't mean what you think it means.

None of that counters the fact that the market source is still considered most highly likely by those with expertise in the area.

LOL. Sure about that?


Nor have you explained why your distrust of the FBI goes out the window with their assessment on Covid origins.

Double LOL. 1) I don't need to explain anything. 2) I picked Wray for you, not for me. You people don't like reading anything other than regime-approved sources.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 2:58 PM
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And oh, yeah:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1296502...

Now Anthony Fauci's former boss Francis Collins concedes Covid lab leak was NOT a conspiracy - despite spearheading attacks against scientists who touted theory
Francis Collins was instrumental in the publication of the natural origins theory
Dr Collins said to have hidden NIH involvement in funding gain of function work
READ MORE: Fauci flip flops during first 7-hour session of grilling before House


And no, I don't care if you don't like the Daily Mail. The meat is what Collins said to Congress recently.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 4:08 PM
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Nor have you explained why your distrust of the FBI goes out the window with their assessment on Covid origins. = {apsody

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Would you allow that even Fox news gets one right every so often?
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Date: 01/17/2024 5:05 PM
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Would you allow that even Fox news gets one right every so often?

Ooo, there's a big fat 'NO', lol.
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Subject: Re: Covid update, just in case msnbc doesn't
Date: 01/17/2024 5:14 PM
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Me: Nor have you explained why your distrust of the FBI goes out the window with their assessment on Covid origins. = {apsody

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HMB: Would you allow that even Fox news gets one right every so often?


Well, the FBI has never explained how it came to it's conclusion, so I pay no attention. When I look at the sciencey boys they're giving reason supported by data. Fox news gets the "beat" news correctly but launches into godawful cringeworthy propaganda beyond that. That's why when you look at the fact check chart, the actual News part of Fox is rated higher than the infotainment propaganda section.
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Date: 01/17/2024 7:41 PM
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Cool. I didn't know that they had those data. Good find.
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Date: 01/17/2024 7:49 PM
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Yes, he did a bit of tu quoque.

But I'm wondering, how did Asia determine it was only airborne? It was a few months before Western scientists concluded that transmission by fomites was not significant.

1poorlady was in chemo for part of that time, so I was paying attention. The check nuked her immune system for several months.
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Fox Business also is highly rated. When it comes to money, they don't mess around.
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