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No. of Recommendations: 2
Kamala Harris just came out and supporter the striking longshoremen.
That means...she owns the economic damage the strike will cause and the longer it goes on...
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/491184...Vice President Harris voiced her support Wednesday for striking port workers, while also bashing her rival former President Trump, after tens of thousands of longshoremen at ports along the East Coast and Gulf of Mexico walked off the job.
“This strike is about fairness. Foreign-owned shipping companies have made record profits and executive compensation has grown. The Longshoremen, who play a vital role transporting essential goods across America, deserve a fair share of these record profits,” Harris said in a statement.Yeah, go with that.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Yeah, go with that. - Dope
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I am particularly opposed to their demand to curtail automation at the ports, especially when US ports are rated poorly on efficiency compared to other ports around the world.
Anyway, that is a perfect way to maintain perpetual employment at the expense of the American economy. Next up, the auto workers demand that all assembly line robots be turned off. What a boon to autoworker employment that will be.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Kamala Harris just came out and supporter the striking longshoremen.
That means...she owns the economic damage the strike will cause and the longer it goes on...Kamala will regret her support for the strikers instead of looking out for the American people who will lose out in the long run with price increases on just about everything.
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“Yes, it certainly does sound as though Daggett and his people stand for the working man and all Americans, as one can readily see and understand that such a tactic will hurt all Americans, some more than others. But these collectivists make anywhere between $85,000 and $200,000 a year, depending on how much overtime they work, whereas the average salary in America is approximately $56K. Their demands are both unreasonable and unrealistic, as they now demand “a 77% percent pay raise increase over six years” and chafe against new technology for fear of lost jobs. They all have nice little nest eggs set aside and can weather this shutdown infinitely better than those making only minimum wage, who will suffer during this strike, as shelves empty and many products become impossible to find, and all products’ prices rise to new, exorbitant highs.
The cost of this strike will be approximately $4.5 billion per day, according to investment bank J.P. Morgan. For each day, one can expect a week to recover, compounding the problem exponentially the longer it lasts. You can bet your bottom dollar that the corporations will pass along this loss to consumers in higher prices for everything.”
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/10/w...
No. of Recommendations: 9
Kamala will regret her support for the strikers instead of looking out for the American people who will lose out in the long run with price increases on just about everything.
I don't understand this argument. Functionally, you would see the same type of impacts from paying longshoremen more as you would with increasing tariffs. Both increase the price of goods being moved through U.S. ports. Both end up securing an economic benefit for a small subset of the American people (dock workers, workers in protected industries) instead of the American people overall (who consume the goods that get imported).
This seems a weird point to make against a candidate whose opponent is a strong advocate for tariff barriers....
No. of Recommendations: 3
This seems a weird point to make...
Yes. The convict and his supporters are weird. As Walz said.
Kamala is clearly the best choice. I'm sure the popular vote will agree. The only question is the EC, as usual. And Rep attempts to tamper with that system (they just got rebuffed in GA, but there's still another two months to "jiggery pokerey" the system).
No. of Recommendations: 0
Solidarity with union folk?
I would think in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania that might go over well.
I had *just * written a day ago that I wish Repubs would walk the picket line.
We shall see how this one plays out.
No. of Recommendations: 9
LurkerMom:
But these collectivists make anywhere between $85,000 and $200,000 a year, depending on how much overtime they work...Funny, but none of the news articles ever indicate the number of hours of overtime necessary -- or the number of years on the job -- necessary to hit those big numbers. A quick look at Indeed shows dock workers starting salaries at $17.14 in Nashville to $22.87 in Portland with a national average hourly salary of $26.47:
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Csx/salaries/Longshorem...That's an
annual salary of $55,058.
Dope1:
That means...she owns the economic damage the strike will cause and the longer it goes on.Um, why? She's pro-labor and that's not exactly a surprise.
Had she come out against labor, you guys would be calling her an opportunist and hypocrite.
President Biden should just Taft-Hartley this thing and implement an 80-day cooling-off period (especially after Daggett spit in Biden's face).
No. of Recommendations: 6
Al, you don’t understand the argument because it’s incoherent. It’s also intentionally distracting, as are all policy-related arguments in this election. Trump demonstrated that he will use any means to rule America as a mob boss. That’s the only fact that matters.
Evidence reported today (NYT):
“After Mr. Trump’s Twitter post focused the enraged mob’s attention on harming Mr. Pence and the Secret Service took the vice president to a secure location, an aide rushed into the dining room off the Oval Office where Mr. Trump was watching television. The aide alerted him to the developing situation, in the hope that Mr. Trump would then take action to ensure Mr. Pence’s safety.
Instead, Mr. Trump looked at the aide and said only, “So what?” according to grand jury testimony newly disclosed in the brief.”
No. of Recommendations: 1
So now Trump has to:
A.) Say " I agree with Harris- go workers go
B.) Say "I'll wave your flag and wink and nod that we don't like immigration......but STFU and get back to work and remember, I've discussed firing union workers, Kamala Harris is in support of union workers".
I don't think this race is won or lost by either.
BUT if this strike doesn't drag out too long, I'd rather be the pro-union worker candidate in the swing states.
Will it drag out? I have no idea - but I wonder if the unions have talked to the Biden-Harris people and the Biden Harris folks haven't told them "look, don't make us end this. Get a few bucks and get back to work"
Won't know until after the election
No. of Recommendations: 0
I don't understand this argument. Functionally, you would see the same type of impacts from paying longshoremen more as you would with increasing tariffs. - albaby
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It seems to me there is a big difference in potential impact if the pay raise dollars end up in the pockets of already highly paid longshoreman vs tariff revenue going into the US treasury where a benevolent government will spend it wisely.
No. of Recommendations: 3
It seems to me there is a big difference in potential impact if the pay raise dollars end up in the pockets of already highly paid longshoreman vs tariff revenue going into the US treasury where a benevolent government will spend it wisely.
Not to the consumer, though. Which is the point LM was making. The economic impact of making imported goods more expensive lands regardless of who captures the economic surplus.
No. of Recommendations: 12
No. of Recommendations: 2
>>It seems to me there is a big difference in potential impact if the pay raise dollars end up in the pockets of already highly paid longshoreman vs tariff revenue going into the US treasury where a benevolent government will spend it wisely.<<
Not to the consumer, though. Which is the point LM was making. The economic impact of making imported goods more expensive lands regardless of who captures the economic surplus. - albaby
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True if the story stops at the capture. However, in the US Treasury, the funds might go to disaster relief or public infrastructure, etc ie things that benefit millions of citizens, whereas in the pockets of 100,000 longshoremen, not so much.
No. of Recommendations: 3
I am particularly opposed to their demand to curtail automation at the ports, especially when US ports are rated poorly on efficiency compared to other ports around the world.
Anyway, that is a perfect way to maintain perpetual employment at the expense of the American economy. Next up, the auto workers demand that all assembly line robots be turned off. What a boon to autoworker employment that will be.
This. Asian ports have computerized inventory and other tech to maximize container throughput and all that. US ports still use blackboards to write down what ships are coming in. Some of their demands are flat-out nonsensical.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Um, why?
Because store shelves are dependent on stuff that comes in to the ports.
Empty store shelves mean people don't buy stuff.
No. of Recommendations: 0
Funny, but none of the news articles ever indicate the number of hours of overtime necessary -- or the number of years on the job -- necessary to hit those big numbers. A quick look at Indeed shows dock workers starting salaries at $17.14 in Nashville to $22.87 in Portland with a national average hourly salary of $26.47:
Per your article
“How much does a Longshoreman make at CSX in the United States?
The estimated average pay for Longshoreman at this company in the United States is $26.47 per hour, which is 33% above the national average.”
I’m sure that $26.47 rate is for the average laborer, not including and higher uppers.
In my prior life I was a Union worker for going on 23 years.
An eight hour day was straight time, your hourly wage.
Any hours over 8 hours per day was time and a half
Eight hour Saturday shift paid time and a half.
Sundays paid double time and Holidays paid double and a half.
If you worked over 12 hours per one shift, even if it was 12 hours and 15 minutes the pay was double time for all hours that shift.
I’m sure overtime pay is more than equal to what I was paid back when and I’m sure there is a lot of overtime to be had.
