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Requiring bible readings in public schools.
If it is not Hebrew/Aramaic, then it is NOT THE BIBLE. Ask Moses.
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NT was written in Greek.
Septuagint is Greek.
Vulgate is Latin.
KJV is olde English.
If God HAD CHOSEN one of *those* languages for His Laws and Bible, then that is what the language in which the ORIGINAL BIBLE/LAWS would have been written/spoken. Or are you claiming God did/does NOT "know" those languages? AND He could NOT have everyone know them? Nifty contradiction.
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“If God HAD CHOSEN one of *those* languages for His Laws and Bible, then that is what the language in which the ORIGINAL BIBLE/LAWS would have been written/spoken. Or are you claiming God did/does NOT "know" those languages? AND He could NOT have everyone know them? Nifty contradiction.”
The “Bible” is a collection of ancient writings by about 40 different human authors plus countless editors and redactors. Some of these writings were originally in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.
Different religious groups don’t all agree on which writings to include or exclude from the “Bible”.
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KJV is olde English.
While the language of the KJV seems "olde" it is actually considered toward the beginning of the modern version of English. Olde English would be Beowulf. Here are the opening lines to the poem:
Hwæt. We Gardena in geardagum,
þeodcyninga, þrym gefrunon,
hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.
Middle English would be more Chaucer where we start to figure out some of the words. Here are the opening lines to his Canterbury Tales:
Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote,
The droghte of March hath perced to the roote,
And bathed every veyne in swich licóur
Of which vertú engendred is the flour;
Much more modern sounding, but still not entirely decipherable.
The opening lines to Genesis are:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
We can read and understand every word here. Now, of course, the language has evolved in 400 years, but it is nowhere close to being as unreadable as Beowulf.
Roughly speaking, the Old English historical period is 500 to 1150 (or about 100 years after the Conquest); Middle English from 1150-1500 (first years still evolving from Old to Middle); Modern English from 1500 to present.
Pete
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“While the language of the KJV seems "olde" it is actually considered toward the beginning of the modern version of English. Olde English would be Beowulf.”
I, I meant it in the dictionary sense:
"Olde" is an intentionally antiquated or pseudo-archaic spelling of the word "old." It is primarily used as an advertising gimmick or stylistic choice to give places, brand names, or events a quaint, traditional, and historical vibe (e.g., Ye Olde Coffee).
But I got an education, and that’s a good reason to hang around here. Have a rec.
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Gave me a flashback. We had to memorize a sonnet by Chaucer. Didn't understand most of it. It was gibberish to my (and most other's) ears. I guess that's what you get when a high school teacher has a PhD in English Lit (he should have been a professor).
Back to the bible, however. I believe it was originally written in Hebrew and/or Aramaic. The earliest translations were Greek, but that wasn't the original language. The Dead Sea Scrolls are mostly Hebrew and Aramaic, as I recall. Most of the English translations are from the Greek. So, we're already starting with a translation of a translation in getting into English.
I'm not a scholar on this, but it is my understanding that the KJV is not a great translation in terms of accuracy. It is the bible I had when I was young, and our Bible As Literature class (high school) used it.
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By the way, I assume you're following the World Cup. England is in the final 16. Amazingly, so is the USA. Though, even if we beat Belgium (doubtful), the next round would be either against Spain or Portugal. Either of them would destroy us, I think.
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To follow up on the World Cup...
Cabo Verde? Wow. One of the more riveting games I've seen ever. I didn't have a favorite, except that I sorta liked the underdog. A nation of 500K people almost went into the round of 16.
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“Back to the bible, however. I believe it was originally written in Hebrew and/or Aramaic.”
The New Testament - all the stuff about Jesus - was originally written in Greek, the lingua Franca of the time. Some bits may have been in Aramaic, scholars debate that endlessly. All the ancient manuscripts we have are in Greek.
The Jewish Bible - what Christians call the Old Testament - was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic. It was translated to Greek - the Septuagint - so the Jewish diaspora could read it.
Jerry upthread is only thinking of the Jewish writings. The great majority of people who “believe in the Bible” are Christians, and therefore include the NT. The folks in TX are this way. The school readings are Christian based and include excerpts from both.
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Yes looking forward to the games tomorrow and Monday. I root for England and the USA of course. Some nail biting games so far.
The Cape Verde game was great. Really wanted them to win.
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Jerry upthread is only thinking of the Jewish writings.
How many "Christians" were there when "the Bible" was given to Moses?
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“How many "Christians" were there when "the Bible" was given to Moses?”
You’re thinking of the Torah - the first five books of the Hebrew Bible.
Certainly there were no Christians when the writings that make up the Torah were compiled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah“… modern scholarly consensus rejects Mosaic authorship, and affirms that the Torah has multiple authors and that its composition took place over centuries.”
Mosaic authorship does seem doubtful when he dies in the last book. Awkward!
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And there is zero record of Moses at all. Last I knew, most scholars didn't think he ever existed.
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And there is zero record of Moses at all.
Zero record of God as well. Hmmmm....
