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Author: landySeeSee   😊 😞
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Subject: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 10:23 AM
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Nope, not "PUTIN!" so no individual to fixate hate on. Blue States like China and XI - get different treatment.

https://www.aol.com/news/chinese-spy-balloon-gathe...

"The Chinese spy balloon that flew across the U.S. was able to gather intelligence from several sensitive American military sites, despite the Biden administration's efforts to block it from doing so, according to two current senior U.S. officials and one former senior administration official"

Here's to the 90's. "THE DOW IS UP! I GOT ME AN I.T JOB!!!"....while China "stole" so many military secrets.....and people like Charlie Trie and Mr Huang - on camera- at dinner with President Clinton raised for their soulmates in America.

Here's to the Liberals and NeoCons, who for 2 decades shouted "Isolation! Protectionism!" at anyone who asked - why enrich China? Sure, the 401K Liberals wanted earnings per share. Then-Wall-Street-Journal NeoCons wanted corporate profits too, and Liberals LOVED empowering China.

So today......

Middle Class Russians, innocents - can't eat a Big Mac.

But China - nevermind their genocide of Uyghurs (sadly, they didn't become fashion props for the Left like "save Darfur")........ continue to get the Clintonian Permanent Normalized Trade Relations and World Trade Organization deal.

It is my hope that President XI helps Putin as much as he can.

China can be a catalyst towards ending European aggression against humanity once and for all, but it will not be a straight line on the way there.

In the meantime, keep the Americans tribal, divided, and whining about pronouns. I hope the side of good - - keeps its eyes on the prize.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 1:06 PM
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It is my hope that President XI helps Putin as much as he can.

He already is. Xi is brokering oil exchanges in Yuan, which is propping up the ruble and Russia's economy. Want to know why the sanctions aren't really hurting Russia? It's because of China.

The Chinese have bought the democrat party and they're getting a terrific return on investment: Billy Clinton gave them safe rocket technology and Most Favored Nation status, and now they've got MIRV's and all kinds of goodies in outer space. People here and in similar spaces say, "So what? That doesn't affect me!" and then blithely use their SatNav and get money out of an ATM.

Now with Biden, they're openly poisoning Americans by the hundreds of thousands via fentanyl precursor chemicals and have replaced the USA in the Middle East. The fun is just beginning.
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 2:34 PM
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Dope1: The Chinese have bought the democrat party and they're getting a terrific return on investment: Billy Clinton gave them safe rocket technology and Most Favored Nation status...


Gee, you failed to mention that it was former president Reagan who first initiated the policy with China that later presidents followed or that former president George H. W. Bush approved nine satellite launches by China as a result of the Reagan policy or that Loral admited it gave the Chinese a written report about the cause of rocket failure during launch without official clearance. Ot that Pentagon officials said that the alleged harm to national security was "not significant or substantial ... about a one or two on a scale of ten."

As for Most Favored Nation status, the Senate vote was 83 YEAs, 15 NAYs, and 2 NOT VOTING. In the House the vote was 237 AYEs, 197 Nos, with 164 Republicans voting yes and 57 Democrats voting yes.

And fentanyl-related deaths have risen substantially in the past decade. The age-adjusted rate of overdose deaths increased by 31% from 2019 (21.6 per 100,000) to 2020 (28.3 per 100,000) during the Trump administration.

But, well, sure, it's all Biden's fault.


https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2000228

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_v...
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 2:51 PM
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I voted against HW Bush for some of those very reasons.

Until now, many of us were called "isolationist " and "protectionist".

Good.

Now, cut your education and medicare budgets and spend more defense.

You have no choice.

Democrats sold out America and the working class- JUST like the NeoCons did.

A few of us who were pariahs to both sides - didn't support such.

But - one of us is now loving it.

Still much work to be done. Generational work.

From Brussels to Paris to Austin, it will be felt.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 3:08 PM
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Permanent Normalized Trade Relations - China.

https://www.citizen.org/article/final-senate-vote-...


An experienced Senator, Joe Biden voted for it.


Wall Street Democrats: Boycott "Putin!" - but don't offend our Liberal friends in China - they love cheap labor like we do, and it fattens up our corporate profits and 401Ks.

"But the Republicans too! Here's my link from Google!!"

Yep, no question.

Just don't pretend you are different. You are the same. Only you are fine with egging on war in Ukraine - but looking the other way over genocide in China.

Sellout.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 3:14 PM
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<Lots of words>

Here's some lefty-safe links:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/spe...

The panel's report is the most comprehensive review so far of evidence that Hughes Electronics Corp. and Loral Space & Communications Ltd. shared sensitive U.S. technologies as they pursued commercial relations in China. The committee's findings appeared to include detailed criticism of the Clinton administration's policy of loosening high-tech export restrictions as a way to promote trade.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/china-and-synth...
China takes counternarcotics diplomacy in Southeast Asia and the Pacific very seriously, but its operational law enforcement cooperation tends to be highly selective, self-serving, limited, and subordinated to its geopolitical interests. Nonetheless, after years of refuting international criticism for its role in meth precursor smuggling amidst burgeoning meth production in Asia, China has intensified its regional law enforcement cooperation at least with some countries. It has also mounted stronger internal regulatory measures even for nonscheduled drugs and has undertaken monitoring and interdiction operations. Yet Beijing rarely acts against the top echelons of Chinese criminal syndicates unless they specifically cross a narrow set of interests of the Chinese government.

And when you have a wide open southern border...



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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 3:16 PM
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And I left out
https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/2021-08/I...

China remains the primary country of origin for illicit fentanyl and fentanyl-related substances
trafficked into the United States: In 2019, China fulfilled a pledge to the United States and placed all
forms of fentanyl and its analogues on a regulatory schedule. Nevertheless, illicit fentanyl from China
remains widely available in the United States. Chinese traffickers are using various strategies to circumvent
new regulations, including focusing on chemical precursors, relocating some manufacturing to India,
rerouting precursor shipments through third countries, and leveraging marketing schemes to avoid
detection. China's weak supervision and regulation of its chemical and pharmaceutical industry also enable
evasion and circumvention.
' Since China's government scheduled fentanyl, the amount of finished fentanyl shipped directly from
China to the United States has declined, while the amount shipped from Mexico has increased: The
U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) assesses Chinese traffickers have shifted from primarily
manufacturing finished fentanyl to primarily exporting precursors to Mexican cartels, who manufacture
illicit fentanyl and deliver the final product. U.S. law enforcement has seen a growing trend of Chinese
nationals, in both Mexico and the United States, working with Mexican cartels. As Chinese suppliers
coordinate more with international partners, the DEA is concerned that fentanyl production is becoming
increasingly global and more difficult to track and control.
' Chinese brokers are laundering Mexican drug money through China's financial system: Chinese
money launderers are using financial technology, mobile banking apps, and social media to evade
authorities.

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Author: sheila727   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 3:26 PM
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China can be a catalyst towards ending European aggression against humanity once and for all,

Sure. By empowering Chinese and Russian aggression against humaity even further.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 3:42 PM
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Sort of a deserved outcome, especially for Europe and its acolytes.

And - ahem - the globalists, Liberals and NeoCons empowered China long ago, and even now do so.

And Europe buys a ton of delicious Russian Fossil Fuels.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 3:51 PM
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Sure. By empowering Chinese and Russian aggression against humaity even further.

So what do you think we should be doing to counter Chinese aggression?
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 4:05 PM
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Dope1: https://www.brookings.edu/research/china-and-synth... China takes counternarcotics diplomacy...

From your 'lefty-safe' Brookings link:

Since 1999, drug overdoses have killed approximately 1 million Americans,[1] an overdose lethality that has increased significantly since 2012 when synthetic opioids from China began supplying the U.S. demand for illicit opioids.

Exactly what I wrote, not a new problem -- and one that spanned the entire Trump administration -- but somehow all Biden's fault.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 4:09 PM
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Exactly what I wrote, not a new problem -- and one that spanned the entire Trump administration -- but somehow all Biden's fault.

Trump pursued a closed border, Biden open borders. Do you think that makes it easier or harder to move illicit drugs into the United States?
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 4:17 PM
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Dope1: The committee's findings appeared to include detailed criticism of the Clinton administration's policy of loosening high-tech export restrictions as a way to promote trade.

Yeah, gotta' love those "appeared" qualifiers, right?

From your own link:

The Central Intelligence Agency partly disagreed with the Air Force, saying Loral did not give China much useful information. Adm. Joseph W. Prueher, chief of the U.S. Pacific Command, recently said the U.S. launches helped Chinese ballistic missile capabilities "only incrementally, not [by] any quantum leaps."

Cox hinted to reporters at the Capitol yesterday that the Loral and Hughes cases were less significant than other Chinese attempts to acquire restricted U.S. technology. "We were rapidly led to considerably more serious national security problems than the Loral-Hughes cases," he said.


Would I have preferred that Clinton not do what he did? Yes. Would I have preferred that Bush not do what he did? Yes. Would I have preferred that Reagan didn't open up this Pandora's Box in the first place. Yes.

But tell us, which recent president had (mostly) praise for China and Xi?
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 5:04 PM
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Trump! Trump! Trump!


This all started well before Trump.

But the partisan blinding - -is what allowed people like Putin to fudge around with your elections.

Here's to more
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 5:17 PM
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But tell us, which recent president had (mostly) praise for China and Xi?

Who cares? It's not relevant.
What's relevant is what each President *does*. You'd rather focus on words instead of actions. Actions matter more.

BTW. Biden's letting China coalesce world energy trading around the Yuan.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 5:55 PM
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President Bill Clinton was WTO for China and PNTR for China.

As far as praise for XI....it's called diplomacy. On one hand the Liberals whined "Bush! Cowboy Rhetoric!" but now they don't like if Trump - verbally - played nice.

BUT....

It's great to see that Liberals 100% fully agree and support with President Reagan calling the Soviet Union an "Evil Empire" and telling Mr Gorbachev, FORCEFULLY to 'tear down this wall'.

Didn't seem like it back then,

But then again, today the Libs just love the Capitalism and Nuclear Arsenal that is allowing them to play tough with Putin.

Who knows, in addition to being the party of the corporate rich, Dems might just be the party of Big Defense and War now.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 8:21 PM
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Now with Biden, they're openly poisoning Americans by the hundreds of thousands via fentanyl precursor chemicals

Another flooding the zone post.

Did ya get lonely on Discord?
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/03/2023 8:53 PM
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Another flooding the zone post.

Nope. It's a fact of life that we're dealing with now.
You call it "flooding the zone" because under democrat leadership there is literally a wave of bad outcomes crashing over the nation literally every day.
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Author: flightdoc 101   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/04/2023 2:13 PM
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Contraband does not flow into this country across an "open southern border".

It comes in shipping containers, in light aircraft, in home engineered submersibles, in trucks, and through tunnels.

A porous wall does nothing to address the issue.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/04/2023 2:26 PM
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A porous wall does nothing to address the issue.

Strawman. No one said a wall did.
But you are pointing out that in general, this administration has not secured any point of entry into this country, border or port.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/04/2023 3:09 PM
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Trump pursued a closed border, Biden open borders.

Wrong

Biden does not pursue 'open borders'. Fentanyl seizures are up substantially
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/04/2023 3:14 PM
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Nope. It's a fact of life that we're dealing with now.

Wrong. It's 'flooding the zone with shit.'

Own it.
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/04/2023 3:25 PM
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Dope1: Trump pursued a closed border, Biden open borders.

Trump pursued a wall, which he told the rubes that Mexico would fund.

Biden actually got Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador to pay $1.5 billion over two years for U.S. border security efforts.

Plus... the FY23 Omnibus Appropriations Package includes:


--$7.3 billion for between-the-ports security operations and investments

--$16 billion for Customs and Border Protection (CBP), including $6.3 billion for CPB border security operations along the southern and northern border

--$60 million to hire 125 CBP Officers and mission support staff

--$230 million for CBP border security technologies, including $70 million for non-intrusive inspection systems to improve scanning of vehicles and cargo entering the U.S.

--$65 million to hire 300 additional Border Patrol Agents

--$8.4 billion for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) operations and support, including $339 million for border management activities to respond to increased encounters at the southern border

--$2.9 billion for the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA)

--$90 million to support local law enforcement that participate in joint efforts to secure the northern and southern border

--$800 million for non-profits and NGOs to provide emergency shelter and services to reduce overcrowding and improve CBP operations at the southern border


Hardly the pursuit of an open borders policy.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/04/2023 5:05 PM
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Biden does not pursue 'open borders'.

^^^^^^What gaslighting looks like, in case anyone was wondering.
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/05/2023 11:45 PM
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"So what do you think we should be doing to counter Chinese aggression?"

One thing to do is to stop repeating the mistakes of the past of giving away cutting edge technologies to China to help them leapfrog the west.

Like prevent China from accessing the tools required to produce high end microchips and have the federal government subsidize the domestic chip industry.

One political party has been leading in trying to cut off key technologies to China. You are on the wrong side of them.
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/05/2023 11:46 PM
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"Trump pursued a closed border, Biden open borders."

LOL

We have been through just how silly and false that narrative was with Mike.

You need better sources of information. One's that don't take advantage of you.
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/05/2023 11:48 PM
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"But the partisan blinding - -is what allowed people like Putin to fudge around with your elections."

It is hilarious to see one of the most partisan blinded people accuse others of partisan blindness.

Unintentional irony is never not funny.
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/05/2023 11:57 PM
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One political party has been leading in trying to cut off key technologies to China. You are on the wrong side of them.

I am? Where did I support shipping ASML's latest tools to China?

Can you cite an instance of that?
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/05/2023 11:58 PM
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We have been through just how silly and false that narrative was with Mike.


You have? So in other words, you tried gaslighting somebody into toeing the administration's line?

How secure is the border today? Would the people who work on it say that it is?
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Author: Umm 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/06/2023 7:25 AM
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"I am? Where did I support shipping ASML's latest tools to China?

Can you cite an instance of that?"


Where did I say you did? (More intellectual dishonesty. You are consistent.). I will ask you a question that you will dodge though. What party voted pushed to stop sending high end chip technology to China and what party did nothing? What party do you support?
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Subject: Re: Putin's Spies
Date: 04/06/2023 7:26 AM
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"You have?"

Yes.

" So in other words, you tried gaslighting somebody into toeing the administration's line?"

No. Only a disnonest person would say that. Try harder and you will be taken more seriously.
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