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Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy
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Oh, darn. Hate when this happens:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/26/politics/chinese-nu...China’s newest nuclear-powered submarine sank pierside in the spring and the Chinese Navy tried to conceal the loss, according to two US defense officials.
The attack submarine was the first of its new Zhou-class line of vessels, the official said, under construction at a shipyard near the city of Wuhan. The Zhou-class submarines have a distinctive X-shaped stern, designed to improve maneuverability underwater.
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China’s newest nuclear-powered submarine sank pierside in the spring and the Chinese Navy tried to conceal the loss, according to two US defense officials.
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China’s newest nuclear-powered submarine sank pierside in the spring and the Chinese Navy tried to conceal the loss, according to two US defense officials.
I thought submarines were designed to sink. 😇
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>>China’s newest nuclear-powered submarine sank pierside in the spring and the Chinese Navy tried to conceal the loss, according to two US defense officials.<<
I thought submarines were designed to sink. 😇
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LOL. Good one!
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nuclear-powered submarine sank pierside in the spring
That's got to hurt. It can be as simple as something put in backwards.
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China’s newest nuclear-powered submarine sank pierside in the spring and the Chinese Navy tried to conceal the loss...
Military shipbuilding is incredibly difficult and requires expertise one can only learn by operating the designs on an ongoing basis, in peacetime and wartime. Amp that difficulty up by several orders of magnitude when building subs due to the physics and pressures involved and the redundancy and reliability required. The conservatory that takes care of the USS New Jersey posts videos on YouTube about that ship's current restoration. That ship is eighty-four years old and even though all weaponry and modern electronics have already been removed by the Navy for security reasons, there are still areas of the remaining vessel that cannot be shown or even seen by the curators themselves. Doors to them are welded shut so no one gets in.
Even with all of the modern simulation and CAD tools available, it appears there are still aspects of hull design that have been informed by over a century of experience that cannot be learned from the outside looking in and have not been shared beyond maybe Britain, France and maybe Germany. Our foes would literally KILL to get that expertise.
We certainly know Russia was unable to learn any of these lessons when building its fleet between the USSR and Russia eras. The only aircraft carrier in Russia's fleet must be flanked by tugboats anywhere it goes because it has been unable to power itself through ANY of its cruises.
WTH
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I thought submarines were designed to sink. 😇
That's the easy part. The harder part is coming back up after they sink.
--Peter
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Actually, I love it when this happens. At least when it happens to China.
It will be interesting to learn what happened (assuming we ever do...China is not very open about anything). Curious it made it to a pier before sinking. I would be surprised if they built the thing in the open (we don't). Could be as simple as a ballast valve malfunctioning, flooding the ballast tanks. But it would be better if the actual compartments flooded. A lot more expensive to clean that all out, and replace equipment that would need to be replaced.
