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Author: PucksFool 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: The shifting values of family values
Date: 04/27/2025 8:04 AM
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Or maybe they haven't really shifted at all.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/04/...

Trump’s supporters tend to imagine him fulfilling a conservative version of fatherhood, where the role is associated with domination and authoritarian discipline. But the Republican Party now has a very different vision of fatherhood to offer, courtesy of Elon Musk.

According to a recent Wall Street Journal report, Musk is constantly scanning the horizon for new potential mothers for his children, using everything from X interactions and DMs to huge cash incentives to entice would-be incubators, whom he requires to sign legally binding payment agreements with nondisclosure clauses. As a result, Musk has an undisclosed number of children that is likely well above the 14 already publicly known, and he’s shown no obvious intention to stop sowing his seed. But perhaps more interesting than the presence of contracts between Musk and his harem of mothers is the apparent absence of traditional family ties. He appears to acknowledge few, if any, bonds of genuine duty and responsibility among family members, much less bonds of care or love. Musk seems to have reduced traditional family relationships to mere financial arrangements, undermining longtime conservative agreement around the importance of family.

There is a difference, after all, between being pro-natalist and being pro-family.
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Author: UpNorthJoe 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The shifting values of family values
Date: 04/27/2025 10:48 AM
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I did not know that about Musk, but I'm not surprised.

The whole Christian/Family-Values spiel that the MAGA "leaders" spew is just an obvious
charade. Trump and his Christian Values, while he hooks up with Stormy while his wife is
with their newborn. Trump and his anti-immigrant stance, while I believe all of his wives
were immigrant, and probably illegal at that. Trump and his I will fight for the working
class, while he has a lifelong history of screwing over working class contractors.
Trump and his I am a great negotiator BS, while he openly and outwardly criticizes the
last trade agreement with Mexico and Canada, which of course he is the one that negotiated
it.

Trump, Musk, Vance are a living Potemkin Village. They are all scam, all the time.
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Author: shaun1776   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The shifting values of family values
Date: 04/29/2025 2:04 PM
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It looks like he is not explicitly married to anyone. However, it is possible that he could still be in legal jeopardy (if the justice system wasn't corrupt and, maybe, state legislatures modified existing laws to cover his socially questionable behavior). His "family compound" seems particularly questionable.

https://legal-info.lawyers.com/family-law/matrimon...
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Author: UpNorthJoe 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The shifting values of family values
Date: 05/02/2025 10:23 AM
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This is new to me, I have not heard of the ProNatalist movement.
I swear, The Handmaid's Tale is looking like the blueprint for America in the 21st Century.


https://www.npr.org/2025/04/30/1248091515/pronatal...

"Baby Bonuses, Trad Wives & The Pronatalist Movement"
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Author: jerryab   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The shifting values of family values
Date: 05/02/2025 10:45 AM
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This is new to me, I have not heard of the ProNatalist movement.

It is all talk, IMO. Once you pierce their false facade, the reality is quite simple: Man boss, all else subservient to his wishes and desires.

Not white? SLAVE (or similarly subservient AND must be obedient to DA MAN).

They are NOT pro-natalist. Just as anti-abortionists are actually baby-killers (stats say relatively more babies die in anti-abortion states, so not just an opinion). ProNatalists are AGAINST assistance for new babies, families, etc. Their position is: YOUR baby, YOUR responsibility. We don't support. So they are actually ANTI-BABY, ANTI-FAMILY, etc. Unless, of course, they are needed later: To serve in military, fight wars, etc. But, from birth until then? NADA from the ProNatalists except lots of hot air.
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