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Author: Texirish 🐝🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 15062 
Subject: ExxonMobil Energy Outlook to 2050
Date: 08/30/2024 4:48 PM
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BreckHutHigh previously linked to ExxonMobil’s new energy outlook to 2050.

https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/sustainability-an...

I’ve read both the XOM presentation and the Liberty one, including slides. I’m starting a new thread, because I’ll try to summarize some key points from the presentations.

How does this relate to BRK? Their projections certainly are on subjects that will impact Oxy, CVX, and somewhat BHE re future growth in electricity demand and supply. XOM’s growth estimates by country also have economic implications for BRK overall. Finally, I feel that the folks on this board have an interest in this world outlook and implications for both energy supply/costs and combatting climate change. The world of energy is often not well understood by those outside the industry.

To begin, the XOM document provides the long-term outlook on which XOM bases their investment decisions. It is the base case from which they also evaluate downside and upside cases. XOM makes this clear. They’ll invest $28-30 billion annually after the recent acquisition based on these projections.

A lot of analysis and effort goes into the document. And they summarize their conclusions clearly so they can be compared with others. It’s not a PR document. But they do make some blunt statements and projections that I haven’t seen before.

Some key takeaways, over-summarized, from the document. Also some of my comments.

Energy demand for O&G in the Americas, Europe, and other OCED countries will decrease by circa 10% by 2050. Growth in China will offset this keeping the sum of these two groups about flat. Growth in India and other non-OCED countries will provide overall energy demand growth of 15%.

As the presentations make clear, and others have commented, it is the combination of reducing poverty of 4 billion people in the non-OCED countries plus 2 billion growth in population, also centered there, that will drive energy demand growth going forward.

Here is one place where XOM speaks more bluntly. They speak to the impact if we provide enough energy to permit a 50 million BTU supply for each individual. This is 1/3rd of avg. OCED use. That will be enough to provide clean propane for heating food, electrify the country, and promote economic growth. (I had not realized until I read elsewhere about how high mortality rates from particle pollution are in areas that depend upon wood, dung, and other historic biofuels for energy.) XOM simply states that a policy to “keep O&G in the ground” would not be just. “JUST” is a strong word to hear from XOM. They’re putting a lot of effort now on better informing the public. But they rarely preach. They assume that policies will permit these populations to improve their lives.

The overall demand for oil is expected to flatten by the early 30,s. So about at current levels, and not dropping by 2050. That doesn’t mean that more new oil won’t be needed. Without new investments, existing fields will decline by 15% per year due to more being produced from tight rock reservoirs. With added investment in existing fields, the decline rate will be about 8% annually, close to IEA’s projections.

I’ve calculated what a 6% annual drop from 100 million B/D in 2023 would be by 2030. That about lines up with the graph in XOM’s presentation. That’s probably because there is still some existing excess capacity in the Mid-East and Russia. That would bring 2030 supply down to 73 million B/D without new added supplies. Given demand projections, that would rapidly drive up oil prices – more than the OPEC crisis in the 70,s. After that it would get worse as fields continue to decline. The industry has to continue to invest in finding and developing new supplies. As the Red Queen told Alice, “You’ve got to run as fast as you can to stay in the same place.”

Other O&G majors, particularly in the UK, that were moving away from O&G are now realizing this. It’s going to take huge new investments just to maintain current production levels

Natural gas demand is projected to rise by 15% by 2050. That’s driven by moving away from coal and increased demand for petrochemicals plus some economic growth. Supply doesn’t seem as big of a concern to me. Finding large new natural gas deposits has a good success rate compared with oil. But these still take time and money to develop and put on line. Again, you can’t stand still.

I’ve been guilty in the past of underestimating the ability of the O&G companies to develop new technology and supplies. I believe they can do it. Witness very deep water development and the frac revolution as examples. Certain sources of O&G do peak and decline – but new ones and new ways are found. (They had better be if modern civilization isn’t to decline. O&G can’t be replaced by electricity. Now I’m preaching.)

Re efforts to combat climate change, emissions from energy sources are expected to start turning down by 2030, and to drop by 25% by 2050 even after economic growth. XOM’s projections are slightly higher than the IEA STEPS projections until the late ‘40’s but drop below them by 2050.

“The STEPS ;model analyses the current policy landscape to determine what the energy system might look like without new policy initiatives The model’s aim is to illustrate the consequences of existing plans, not to predict how they might change in the future.”

So at first glance XOM is assuming business as usual. But a closer analysis suggests they do anticipate policy changes with respect to carbon capture and storage, hydrogen fuels, and biofuels. At least they forecast spending $15 billion over the next five years to progress these technologies. These projects will demonstrate commercial scale economics and technologies. With incentives from recent US legislation, they anticipate a circa 15% ROCE on these large-scale demonstrations. But, they also state that policy must move forward from incentives to market factors for these to become significant on a global basis. To translate – a carbon tax will be required. A true energy transition will be expensive for us all.

Frankly I can’t tell what are the detailed assumptions in their emissions projections. But they clearly state that the above technologies must be implemented to come anywhere near the more optimistic scenarios by the IEA and others. Electricity can’t address the emissions from heavy transportation and industries such as cement, steel, fertilizer, and petrochemicals that make up half the emissions from energy. They’re proceeding as if policy change will happen. We’ll see. But we haven't time to wait, and then develop the technologies.

The foregoing is my attempt to interpret XOM’s position as reflected in their outlook combined with what I know about their plans.

This is getting far too long, so I’ll stop. I hope it provides some understanding of XOM’s energy outlook, and how this is reflected in their business plans.
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Author: sykesix 🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: ExxonMobil Energy Outlook to 2050
Date: 08/30/2024 4:53 PM
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That was a very lucid summary. Thank you.
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Author: Aussi   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: ExxonMobil Energy Outlook to 2050
Date: 08/30/2024 7:41 PM
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BP's oil demand outlook is about 25% lower than XOM's outlook. I asked Perplexity why.

ExxonMobil and BP have significantly different outlooks on future oil demand, reflecting divergent views on the pace of the energy transition:

ExxonMobil's Outlook

ExxonMobil projects that global oil demand will remain strong through 2050:
Oil demand is expected to stay above 100 million barrels per day in 2050, similar to current levels.
This forecast is about 25% higher than BP's estimate for 2050 oil demand.
ExxonMobil predicts a 15% increase in total global energy use between now and 2050.
The company believes:
Oil and natural gas will remain essential parts of the global energy mix, meeting over 50% of energy demand in 2050.
Even if every new car sold globally in 2035 was electric, oil demand in 2050 would still be 80 million barrels per day.


BP's Outlook

BP has a more conservative view on future oil demand:
BP's forecast for 2050 oil demand is approximately 25% lower than ExxonMobil's projection.
The company expects a faster decline in oil demand and quicker emissions reductions.
Key Differences
Pace of Energy Transition: ExxonMobil foresees a slower transition away from fossil fuels, while BP anticipates a more rapid shift towards renewable energy sources.
Peak Emissions: ExxonMobil predicts global greenhouse gas emissions will begin to decline in 2030. BP expects emissions reductions to occur sooner, in the middle of the current decade.
Investment Strategy:
ExxonMobil is focusing more on decarbonizing its existing products rather than heavily investing in renewables.
BP has been allocating 8-12% of its annual capital expenditure to renewables since 2021, primarily in offshore wind and EV charging infrastructure.
Approach to Energy Transition:
ExxonMobil is maintaining a stronger focus on its core oil and gas business while investing in decarbonization technologies.
BP has been more aggressive in diversifying into renewable energy and associated cleantech.
These differing outlooks have led to distinct strategies in how each company is approaching the energy transition and future investments.

My guess is they are both talking teir book.

Aussi
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Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝🐝 SILVER
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Subject: Re: ExxonMobil Energy Outlook to 2050
Date: 08/31/2024 1:09 PM
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My guess is they are both talking their book.

This is a popular sentiment, and one that is widely used to dismiss their reports each time they come out.

But I don't get the reasoning--I never have. It doesn't do them any good to publish a rosy forecast, since that's the forecast they run their business to. If anything, a consciously high forecast would cause them to waste a lot of money on unneeded capex and chasing projects well beyond the marginal benefit level.

The forecast might be right or wrong, and one might agree or disagree, but the mere fact that they SAY that they think oil demand will be at level X in Y years from now won't MAKE oil demand be that high at that time. It will be what it will be. If anything a well-reasoned high forecast is a boon for the green movement, as it's a wake-up call that other net-zero forecasts might be way too cheery from groupthink, and more actual changes (rather than announcements) might be needed.

All their lobbying and PR guff is an entirely separate discussion, and might actually affect demand, but that would take place regardless of what's in their energy forecasts. I just don't think their energy forecast falls into that category.

Jim
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Author: Aussi   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: ExxonMobil Energy Outlook to 2050
Date: 08/31/2024 5:11 PM
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The forecast might be right or wrong, and one might agree or disagree, but the mere fact that they SAY that they think oil demand will be at level X in Y years from now won't MAKE oil demand be that high at that time.

If they say the demand will be X (looking at XOM for the moment), and they plan for the demand to be X, then the price of oil will be Y based on their marginal addition to supply. The price of oil will be lower than if they did not increase marginal production. As such, their planning for production at X has an impact on price and will drive up demand if price is lower due to their increased production.

Therefore, increasing production to meet their forecast will increase demand as price will be lower than if they did not increase production. Conversely for BP. Not investing for future demand will result in higher prices at the margin which will lower demand.

The actions that large oil producers take does have an impact on pricing which impacts demand.

Aussi
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Author: Texirish 🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: ExxonMobil Energy Outlook to 2050
Date: 08/31/2024 7:09 PM
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Jim is correct that ExxonMobil isn't talking it's book. Below is the process it uses. That output is used to plan its business going forward. Basically, it asks what has changed and how might that impact our plans? What's shown below the break is their overview of how it's developed, copied directly. It's about as objective as the data permit.

Publishing the report in all its details is just sharing information.

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The Global Outlook is ExxonMobil’s view of energy demand and supply through 2050. A foundation of our business plan, the analysis is based on a long-term assessment of:

Economic trends
Advances in technology
Consumer behavior
Climate-related public policy

How we develop the Global Outlook

We use a data-driven approach to understand potential future energy demand and supply.

Monitoring policy and technology trends

The Company monitors changes in technology, such as solar panels getting cheaper and batteries improving, as well as policy developments like the EU’s tailpipe emissions regulations and China’s 14th five-year plan.

Historical foundation and fundamentals

ExxonMobil uses the International Energy Agency’s World Energy Statistics and Balances data service and other credible third-party sources as the historical basis for the Outlook. For liquids supply, we use S&P Global Platts data. For natural gas, historical production, pipeline flows and LNG data are based on Wood Mackenzie, JODI Gas, S&P Global Platts and others. In this report, data for 2023 and earlier are considered historical; the Outlook’s modeled projections cover 2024 to 2050.

The Company compiles demographic information and models economic trends for about 100 regions around the world. Primary sources are the United Nations, World Bank, International Monetary Fund and IHS. Population estimates are compiled from the U.N. and the World Bank. Economic trends (e.g., GDP) are modeled based on respected third-party views and ExxonMobil’s own analysis1.

Use of sensitivity analysis

ExxonMobil uses sensitivity analyses to provide greater perspective on how variations to its Outlook assumptions could affect projected energy supply and demand. These analyses involve assessing technology advancements and the potential impact on energy supply and demand, resulting in a range of potential low- to high-demand outcomes for certain energy sources. The projections in the sensitivity analyses do not represent the Company’s viewpoint or the likelihood of these alternatives; they can provide context to its analysis.

Modeling

The Company projects demand for services across 15 sectors covering needs for personal mobility; residential energy; production of steel, cement and chemicals; plus many others. Then it matches that demand across multiple energy sources, taking into account current use and potential evolution. It also projects liquid and natural gas supply and trade flows2.
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Author: DTB   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: ExxonMobil Energy Outlook to 2050
Date: 09/02/2024 10:02 AM
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Publishing the report in all its details is just sharing information.


It is interesting to ponder what they (or, previously, BP, with their very useful energy outlook) hope to achieve by sharing all this information.

If declining demand for oil and gas is the predominant outlook, and if this view is shared in the industry, leading to underinvestment in new sources, and if it turns out that demand for oil and gas holds steady (as Exxon forecasts), then oil and gas producers will have many years of very high profits in front of them. I believe this is the bet that Buffett is making with Chevron and Occidental - that they and much of the rest of the industry are underinvesting in production, so that production levels will fall, and demand will hold steady or at least not fall as quickly as production, leading to high oil and gas prices and high earnings.

Decreasing use of oil and gas is the ardent hope of people concerned about global warming, but these same people often oppose efforts to provide energy from low-carbon sources, predominantly nuclear fission power and wind and solar power, with new transmission lines that would be necessary to hook it all up to the grid and transfer local excesses to where they're needed. They think they can browbeat people into using less energy (other people, not themselves of course), and when this inevitably fails, they will blame the industry for destroying the planet. My guess is that this explains why Exxon publishes this kind of information - they are basically saying that demand for energy IS going to increase, and that, at current rates of non-carbon energy deployment, this will mean increasing combustion of oil and gas, not decreasing. Don't sue us - we are providing something that will still be needed for people not to live in poverty.

For the record, I believe the only way of reducing oil and gas (and coal) consumption is to provide a lot of energy from low-carbon sources, and that means a lot more nuclear/wind/solar. If we provided enough low cost nuclear power, it could lower the price of oil, and that is the only way of making sure some of it is left in the ground. At the moment, these 3 are the only alternatives, and they are too costly to replace coal, oil and gas. Nuclear is too costly because we bury it in red tape; wind and solar are too costly because they are unreliable without storage, and battery storage is still so expensive (probably around 10c/kWh round-trip, it means the total cost of wind/solar+storage is still a long way from competing with fossil fuels. Nuclear power may be feasible in countries with smart regulation (thinking of China), but we are unlikely to get that in most of Europe and America, so I think we will just have to hope that atmospheric CO2 increases don't do as much harm as we fear.
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