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JUST THREE MONTHS AGO: Trump Talked About California’s Water Problem and Wildfires on the Joe Rogan Podcast (VIDEO)

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>Add this story to the ‘Trump was right again’ pile.

Just three months ago, when Trump appeared on the Joe Rogan Podcast, he talked to Joe about the ongoing issue of water dispersal in California and about how the state could stop wildfires by clearing dead trees from forests.

He suggested that the state actually has more than enough water to deal with these and other issues such as farming, but progressive environmental policies are standing in the way.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01/just-thre...

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“Donald Trump was mocked for sounding the alarm on the California water/fire crisis during his interview with Joe Rogan.

Turns out, he was right.

Trump spent nearly 7 minutes ranting about the issue, blasting Newsom for doing nothing to fix the problem.

Trump specifically discussed the Californian Delta Smelt controversy, where rainwater is wasted by being directed into the Pacific Ocean to protect a tiny fish species.

"You know in Los Angeles, you can't get proper amounts of water."

"In order to protect a tiny little fish, the water up north gets routed into the Pacific Ocean. Millions and millions of gallons of water gets poured [into the Pacific]."”

https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/187704861251912122...

JUST THREE MONTHS AGO: Trump Talked About California’s Water Problem and Wildfires on the Joe Rogan Podcast (VIDEO)

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OMG!! The man is just so prescient. He actually predicted that California has a water problem.

What’s next?

Will he predict that Florida has a hurricane problem?

Or maybe that the sun will set in the west!

Oh, it’s a pile alright, but it’s not a pile of ‘right again’.

Oh, it’s a pile alright, but it’s not a pile of ‘right again’.

Sorry Alpha to burst your bubble in your haste to discredit Trump, but you are wrong.

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“Trump repeatedly warned Gov. Newson about ‘terrible’ wildfire prevention in wake of deadly Palisades fire”

President-elect Trump, during his first administration, put Gov. Gavin Newsom on notice for his handling of repeated wildfires in the state, years ahead of the devastating Los Angeles wildfires currently raging.

“The Governor of California, @GavinNewsom, has done a terrible job of forest management. I told him from the first day we met that he must ‘clean’ his forest floors regardless of what his bosses, the environmentalists, DEMAND of him. Must also do burns and cut fire stoppers,” the former and upcoming president posted to X in 2019.

https://nypost.com/2025/01/08/us-news/trump-has-hi...

Trump Talked About California’s Water Problem and Wildfires on the Joe Rogan Podcast

Trump is a vicious, ignorant liar.

You are a dupe, LM, for repeating his vicious ignorant lies.

He actually predicted that California has a water problem.

California does not have a water problem. At this time our dams are full. There is enough water for 40 million people for a year.

Lobbyists for the export agriculture industry would like to dam all the rivers so they can increase production. They don't give a flying fuck about California, the environmental impact on he state, its fish and wildlife.

Any time 'they' start blaming 'Democrats' and 'little fish' for problems caused by human overpopulation, they are full of shit.

The problem is a changing climate.

The fire broke out in urban Los Angeles, far from the forests that Trump said should be raked, and it’s doubtful that the big faucet that He yammered about could have done much.

Count on one very reliable fact;

When tragedy strikes, Trump will scurry to blame someone, and gatewaypundit can be absolutely counted on to broadcast his rantings as gospel.

This is simply nonsense.

LM regurgitating bullshit: I told him from the first day we met that he must ‘clean’ his forest floors regardless of what his bosses, the environmentalists, DEMAND of him. Must also do burns and cut fire stoppers,”

Ah Jesus, the stupidity and ignorance is overwhelming.

These are not forest fires, you pathetic imbecile.

It's dense scrub, native vegetation, weed, grasses. Fire cuts and breaks criss-cross every ridge. When it ignites in 50 to 100 mph winds in steep terrain, there's no stopping it.

It makes as much sense to blame Trump and the republican governors from TX to NC for the HUGE cost and deaths that result from hurricanes.

You are a dupe, LM, for repeating his vicious ignorant lies.

lol@sano..can’t accept President Trump was correct. Keep your head buried in the sand
else you might learn something.

California does not have a water problem.

Why is there no water then to fight the fires with?

When tragedy strikes, Trump will scurry to blame someone, and gatewaypundit can be absolutely counted on to broadcast his rantings as gospel.

This is simply nonsense.

Trump warned about the water problem back in his first term.

Don’t bother me about the link, they are correct and that’s your problem.

These are not forest fires, you pathetic imbecile.

lol, bouncing off the walls are you?

THERE IS A WATER PROBLEM! LET THAT SINK IN. NO OR LITTLE WATER TO FIGHT THE FIRES BEING SPREAD BY 90 TO 100 MILES WINDS.

Why is there no water then to fight the fires with?

Because so many people, against public warnings, are hosing down their houses and yards, attempting to pevent their own property from burning.

I remember a photo from the sixties of Dick Nixon, standing on the roof of his own house, doing exactly that.

Can’t say that I blame anyone from doing that, but the net effect of thousands of people spraying down their own properties is a drop in water pressure in the mains. Hence, fire hydrants don’t have the necessary pressure to do much good.

But Santa Anna winds are being clocked at 100 mph, so it’s doubtful that even full water pressure would have prevented much of the damage.

But in the heart of this tragedy, one very important thing can be counted on: Donald Trump will be there to pour a can of gasoline on the fires of MAGA opinion.

Probably setting the stage for denying federal assistance in the recovery.

Why is there no water then to fight the fires with?

There is plenty of water. Our dams are full. There's a good snowpack in the Sierras to replenish them in the spring.

The water cannot be pumped fast enough. The Palisades hilltop tanks were prefilled. Homeowners and firefighter are draining those huge hilltop tanks faster than pumps can refill them. Hosed water and airdrops are less effective in gale/hurricane force winds. It goes sideways. It evaporates quickly.

The landscape of the coastal range -steep canyons and hills- is tinder dry due to minimal rain and high winds. It is not forest than can 'be raked.'

We are witnessing an extraordinary situation something like the extraordinary hurricanes that have impacted the hurricane states. Preparations that normally sufficed for santa ana wind fanned wildfires are insufficient just as the the levees and pumping systems in Louisiana were inadequate to protect it's cities from Katrina.
https://www.history.com/topics/natural-disasters-a...

Trump probably knows he is lying, but also knows his cult will swallow his lies to his political advantage.

THERE IS A WATER PROBLEM! LET THAT SINK IN. NO OR LITTLE WATER TO FIGHT THE FIRES BEING SPREAD BY 90 TO 100 MILES WINDS.

It's even stupider in caps.

"Can’t say that I blame anyone from doing that, but the net effect of thousands of people spraying down their own properties is a drop in water pressure in the mains. Hence, fire hydrants don’t have the necessary pressure to do much good."

And it's likely the same can be said for every community in the Country. Engineering is a compromise between effectiveness and cost, so I gotta believe that the water mains and water towers are not designed for virtually every one connected to the system trying to run water full blast. It's the same when people overwhelm the phone systems during emergency and then nobody can make a call. It's a design compromise that can't be engineered out. Trump and MAGA are either so freaking stupid and they believe the bs they spout, or they just willingly spew BS knowing that it's a lie. One things for sure, the MAGA base will believe anything spewing out of Trump's mouth, no matter how juvenile or idiotic.

This Country is going to fall apart if it doesn't break free of Trump's dimwitted rantings.

Upnorthjoe: "Trump and MAGA are either so freaking stupid and they believe the bs they spout, or they just willingly spew BS knowing that it's a lie. One things for sure, the MAGA base will believe anything spewing out of Trump's mouth, no matter how juvenile or idiotic."

Ain't it the sorry truth? Sigh.

Quip: We have 4 seasons in California: Fire, Flood, Earthquake, and Mud.

It defies logic that people build in areas that are indefensible in dry santa ana wind conditions...same as building in coastal zones regularly smashed by hurricanes. Yet, they do it over and over and over.

I was evacuated from elementary school in '61 and watched it burn to the ground. My high school, Palisades burned to the ground Tuesday night as did my aunt's house a half mile from PaliHi. She lived in that 1300 sq ft wood sided house for nearly 60 years.

Two of my uncles got burned out over the years; one in Malibu, the other at the base of Mt Baldy.

As people populate Texas, their wildfires will cause greater and greater loss to structures. That's the nature of fires and development. If you build it, it will burn.

Between Jan. 1, 2005, and Dec. 31, 2022, 231,253 wildfires burned more than 12.4 million acres across the state. Most of these wildfires, some 85%, ignited within 2 miles of a community.
Once primarily a rural concern, wildfires are now a statewide threat that impact communities across the state and have the potential to damage thousands of homes and other critical infrastructure.

The problem is a changing climate.

No it isn't. The Santa Ana winds have been a thing forever.
California - despite approving reservoirs ten years ago never built anything:

https://californiaglobe.com/fr/why-have-no-new-res...

In November 2014, California voters approved Proposition 1: The Water Quality, Supply, and Infrastructure Improvement Act. The $7.5 billion bond dedicated $2.7 billion for the public benefits of new water storage projects. Some ask, “Why have no new reservoirs been built in the seven years since?” Rest assured, there are projects in the works. All recently passed a key milestone and are moving forward.

Plus no state mismanages its forests and shrublands quite like California does.

I was evacuated from elementary school in '61

Patty Davis (Reagan) and I were in the same class in elementary school. Her Dad was nobody to us in the 1950s. Just another B actor on the west side. James Arness impressed me though; his kid, Rolf, and I grew up on the same section of beach at Santa Monica Canyon (the edge of the Palisades). Occasionally he would come down to surf with Rolf. Marshall Dillon was tall, but his surfboard was HUGE!

https://www.surfresearch.com.au/sAurness_James1970...

I just read that Monica Lewinsky went to school there too (many years later). Gotta wonder if she sat at my desk.

Most of the canyons and hills my extended family inhabited <Topanga, Malibu, Pulgas, Santa Monica Canyon, Mandeville, Sullivan> were 'red tagged' by the LAFD back in the 1980s. That means, if fire hits the canyon, they are indefensible.

Still waiting to learn if my tromping grounds is all gone.

In the 1980's, I asked a LAFD captain parked at a firebreak up above the Getty Museum where they would set up their defense line. He said "at the seaweed, high tide line."

Good Times.

Plus no state mismanages its forests and shrublands quite like California does.

Oh, the ignorance.

No state* has heavily developed shrublands** like California does.

*Texas is expecting similar risks as their sprawl develops.

"FIRE DANGER: WILDFIRE RISK
Wildfire continues to threaten people and property across Texas. Rapid population growth into Wildland Urban Interface areas and an increasing frequency of elevated fire weather conditions represent major concerns moving forward. Heightened awareness of wildfire risk, prevention and mitigation are becoming increasingly important to ensure safety. The Texas Wildfire Risk Assessment Portal provides access to information that describes wildfire risk statewide."<.tt>


** kudos for acknowledging that it's shrublands, not the forests that idioTrump claims.

California - despite approving reservoirs ten years ago never built anything:

No wonder Trump loves the poorly educated.

Building dams and reservoirs is not exactly like putting up a McDonalds. It is vast, it is expensive, it takes years of planning, it is extremely complex, and there are many people, some fighting for it and some fighting against it, for political, environmental, and financial reasons.

From the link below:

Still, Sites Reservoir remains almost a decade away: Acquisition of water rights, permitting and environmental review are still in the works. Kickoff of construction, which includes two large dams, had been scheduled for 2024, but likely will be delayed another year. Completion is expected in 2030 or 2031.

For years, state lawmakers, farm representatives and city water suppliers have bemoaned that the reservoir hasn’t been built yet, and their criticism has escalated during rainy periods.

Rep. John Garamendi, a Democrat from Walnut Grove, is one of many long-time Sites advocates who have grown impatient waiting for the new reservoir.

Gov. Gavin Newsom has rallied for the project, and his 2022 water strategy outlined a plan to create as much as 4 million acre-feet of new water storage space.

Jerry Brown (not the former governor of the same name) of the Sites Project Authority, which represents local water districts pursuing the project, said it takes many years to develop and plan projects of this scale.

“My personal rule of thumb is that for every year of construction you spend about three years in the planning-permitting-engineering stage,” he said. Since Sites’ construction takes six years, the process would be expected to take 18 years.

https://calmatters.org/environment/2023/02/califor...

"We have 4 seasons in California: Fire, Flood, Earthquake, and Mud."

I've been to California a couple of times, luv the outdoor recreation opportunities.

Did the Half Dome hike in 2013, and along with Angels Landing and The Narrows in Zion, it was the
best day of hiking I've had in my life. Stunning scenery in all of Yosemite, and even better at
the top of Half Dome. But even on that day, there was a wildfire to the north of HD, we weren't
certain that the park service was going to let anybody go up, but they ok'd it and it didn't
threaten HD area.

My friend's kid lived in Thousand Oaks, and we did some hiking there to get loose before our time at Yosemite, and the brush and steep canyons were exactly as you've described. I remember thinking that it would not take much to get a fire going in that type of brushy, windy area.

i'm in northern Michigan, it got down to -15f overnight. Warming up now, should be up to mid 20's for my xc ski outing. I don't mind the cold at all. When skiing it is hardly noticed, unless it's so cold that the snow is slow, which makes it harder to glide down the trail. But mid 20's
on xc ski's is like a summer day on a bike in shorts and t-shirt, very pleasant.

Hope everybody in your circle is safe and comes out of this ordeal as well as possible !

It is vast, it is expensive, it takes years of planning, it is extremely complex, and there are many people, some fighting for it and some fighting against it, for political, environmental, and financial reasons.

Captain Obvious has entered the chat.

I suppose somebody had to step up and actually try to defend California's land management, so it might as well be the more...limited...members of the board.

Let's start here. Is southern California known for lots of direct rainfall year 'round?

For years, state lawmakers, farm representatives and city water suppliers have bemoaned that the reservoir hasn’t been built yet, and their criticism has escalated during rainy periods.

There you go. It’s not Trump’s fault, he warned the dems.

Once it's all hopefully done ---I hope some of those wealthy Liberals LEAVE. I want CaliPHornia to keep losing tax revenue.

The real nightmare for all those folks is just starting.

Wait until they try to rebuild LA - it'll be

-Years for permits
-No gas appliances (more strain on the power grid)
-Construction costs through the roof
-Nobody will insure it

Yikes. Board libs will of course, blame Trump.

Yikes. Board libs will of course, blame Trump.

Well of course, it’s all they have.

Scientists say the Los Angeles fires were caused by climate change, dry conditions, human activity and gale-force winds.
But a growing # of X users suspect the cause is simple: too much DEI.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyxypryrnko

... mid 20's on xc ski's is like a summer day on a bike in shorts and t-shirt, very pleasant.

My folks had a cabin at Mammoth Mountain for many years. Downhill and XC a lot, depending on the weather and occasion. At one point we had 4 generations skiing together, from old omi/opi, our parents, us and our kids.

Hope everybody in your circle is safe and comes out of this ordeal as well as possible !

Thanks. My aunt and uncle are safe in a Santa Monica hotel. At 83 and 91, I cannot imagine them rebuilding, if they could even afford it, when the cost to upgrade infrastructure in their very old neighborhood is factored in. Not everybody in the Palisades is wealthy. It used to be a low rent area; the wealthy living in BelAir & Beverly Hills.

Trump's lying is insidious. Knowledgeable people know this. He will never get the respect he craves from honest, knowledgeable people.

It’s not Trump’s fault, he warned the dems.

Nobody is blaming Trump for anything but being an ignorant vicious liar.

Add this story to the ‘Trump was right again’ pile.

He's right only in the sense that it's blatantly obvious to all but the most poorly informed persons. Perhaps you weren't aware that California has wildfires on a regular basis. Or that California, having a fairly arid climate, doesn't have all the water it would like.

He has "brilliantly" identified issues that anyone with any awareness of the world outside of their own backyard already knows.

What he hasn't done is come up with anything close to reasonable ideas to help with these issues.

Clearing dead trees? Yeah, that works if you're in Brooklyn and have a dead tree in your yard. Doesn't work when you're talking about a 10's of thousands of acres of forest with hundreds of trees per acre when something like 1/3 of them are dead. You simply can't clear them all. And of course, the ones closest to civilization (which is a vanishingly small portion) get removed because they present a danger to people and property.

Mother nature has a much better solution. It's called a wildfire. That's how dead trees were taken care of for thousands of years before people came along and tried to live in the forest. Lightning starts a fire, and the rain that usually accompanies the lightning keeps it from spreading too far - most of the time. But not always.

Even further, some of those tree species actually NEED periodic fires to germinate new trees. Some pine cones don't open up to spread their seeds until after they've been heated sufficiently in a fire. Only after a fire can those seeds germinate and grow.

But people have mucked with this system. Fires are going to come through those ecosystems. That makes them a terrible place to build. But we do it anyway. And then we cram the air full of greenhouse gases, cranking up the temperatures, reducing the rain in these areas, and drying up all of the underbrush. So now when a fire starts - as they are going to - they burn hotter and bigger and longer, and they burn all of the stuff people build in these fire prone areas. And because people are "dumb, panicky animals" we flee the fires wailing and moaning because everything we built is burned up. Well, you built in a place that's going to burn on a regular basis. Short of cutting down the trees and putting it all up into parking lots, you're going to have fires. And by building those parking lots, you'd lose the reason you like being in those places.

So sweeping the forest and cutting down the dead trees are idiotic solutions to what is an obvious problem. Neither is putting a lot of water on it. There's a very long explanation of why that doesn't work, but I'll refer you to fire fighters who can explain it better. The short version is that you can't really get water ON a wild fire. It's too hot to get close enough to the fire on the ground, and air drops turn the water into small droplets which turn into steam before they get to the fire.

Sure, water works on small fires like in your fire pit or even in your house, but it doesn't work on even the smallest of wild fires. They're simply too big and too hot to get enough water on them to make a difference. Just one of many things that work on a small scale, but utterly fail on a large scale.

Lastly, all of this has little to do with the current fires around the Los Angeles area. Those aren't burning in a forest. They're burning in chaparral - moderate to large sized oily plants of various species that burn very hot for their size. Very few trees around. Chaparral is another group of plants that needs to burn from time to time to spread their seeds.

Trump is a moron. And anyone who believes the bullshit he spreads is a fool for listening to him.

--Peter

But a growing # of X users suspect the cause is simple: too much DEI.

LOL..and of course, the hurricanes cause devastating damage to those states because of MAGA. It's so simple when you're stone stupid.

"James Woods’ house burnt down and he says he doesn’t have home owners insurance. Sending thoughts and prayers, James.

James Woods, a man who hath spent his years spouting MAGA rhetoric and raging against reality, now tragically reaps the literal whirlwind of his own climate change denial.

His house is no more, consumed by a climate change-boosted wildfire. It wasn’t a deep state plot. There were no Democrat-controlled weather machines and no space lasers.

And yet, instead of reflecting on climate change or the insane winds that caused this wildfire, he immediately chose to lash out at Gavin Newsom, Karen Bass, and—of course—”empty water reservoirs.”

But lo, the truth cometh: the reservoirs weren’t empty before the fires started. The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power filled them in preparation for the fire season. The problem wasn’t the liberal boogeymen James rails against—it was the sheer scale of the firefighting effort, which drained the reservoirs faster than they could be replenished. Not that James cares for such details; he’s too busy raging to care about the facts.

Actor James Woods didn’t have homeowners insurance—apparently because he couldn’t. Like many in wildfire-prone areas, his policy was canceled by the insurance company just 4 months before the disaster. Increasingly, greedy capitalist insurers are abandoning high-risk areas, leaving residents without coverage when they need it most. While there is a program called FAIR which serves as a last-resort option for homeowners in high-risk areas, Woods was either not aware or not able to signup in time.

It’s a shame. Capitalism really does suck sometimes, doesn’t it, James? Luckily the socialism you hate so much will help you through it all.

Naturally, the demented conman has been attacking the governor of California and blaming weather events on him, strictly because he’s a Democrat. No, it’s not all his fault, you evil bastard. It’s your fault. It’s the fault of rich tycoon billionaire assholes who have been massively polluting the world and lying to people for over a hundred years without a shred of remorse.

When a liberal area suffers a climate change disaster, Republicans say, “God is punishing them.” When a conservative area suffers a climate change disaster, Republicans say, “Democrats control weather machines.”

It must be hard going through life as a full-blown idiot.

Thou shalt stop blaming everyone else and start seeing the truth: climate change is real, and it doesn’t care if you believe in it or not.

Climate change is not divine punishment, nor is it a liberal plot. It is the result of greed, inaction, and denial. And until humans get their shit together, the planet is going to continue to be pissed off."

Thus concludes our Thursday sermon. Can I get an amen!

No it isn't. The Santa Ana winds have been a thing forever.

The Santa Ana winds have been there forever, but the causal elements have not:

Two incredibly wet years causing extreme shrub growth (with high creosote content- lovely)….

Followed by one unseasonably hot and dry season that dried out everything and lasted longer than normal.

“Normal” as a descriptor of weather patterns is an increasingly abnormal term.

These are not forest fires, you pathetic imbecile.

Let's direct that ire at Trump and the RW propaganda machine that fills people's heads with bullshit. I feel sorry for LM.

Thus concludes our Thursday sermon. Can I get an amen!

Afuckingmen!!!!!!!

Lastly, all of this has little to do with the current fires around the Los Angeles area. Those aren't burning in a forest. They're burning in chaparral - moderate to large sized oily plants of various species that burn very hot for their size. Very few trees around. Chaparral is another group of plants that needs to burn from time to time to spread their seeds.

Trump is a moron. And anyone who believes the bullshit he spreads is a fool for listening to him.

A couple factors that are not being sufficiently discussed....
After a couple rainy seasons the foliage in coastal California becomes very very dense. The combination of native & invasive & ornamental foliage becomes impenetrable, especially so in the canyons and steep hillsides.

As the summer goes by we turn from lush green to 'california gold', aka bone dry brush. Add santa anas and madly bouncing sparking power lines and you got trouble.

That Trump does not acknowledge this is the worst kind of insidious lying.... and everybody whose head is not up their ass knows it.

His water concept of a plan is his way of pandering to the very wealthy agriculture industry with its insatiable desire for water, regardless of the impact on the environment.

libs prattle on about nature and climate, but spend about 0% of their time actually understanding the causal elements of wildfires and always resist a lot of mitigation strategies. Witness this thread and Teh Genius it's put forth.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/deschutes/news-even...

Trail closures are designed to keep the optimal amount of trail milage open for recreationists during this work. However, if users disregard the closures, the closures will have to be moved further out from the work area.

This work is being done to help maintain and restore forest and ecosystem health while reducing hazardous fuels loading in the wildland-urban interface. Operations in these areas include thinning, mowing and mastication. Removing excess vegetation increases firefighters’ opportunities for success in stopping a wildfire should it start in this area. This work will help to create a forest that is more resilient to fire, insect infestations and disease.

Work is occurring within the Central Oregon Landscape, one of 21 focal landscapes identified within the Forest Service’s Wildfire Crisis Strategy. The implementation of this work supports the Deschutes National Forest’s commitment to addressing the Wildfire Crisis Strategy which aims to reduce severity of wildfires, protect communities, and improve the health and resiliency of fire-dependent forests.

Plus no state mismanages its forests and shrublands quite like California does.

Why do you keep repeating lies? You already have zero credibility.

But a growing # of X users suspect the cause is simple: too much DEI.

So many gullible idiots!

That Trump does not acknowledge this is the worst kind of insidious lying.... and everybody whose head is not up their ass knows it.

"<The true> explanation for the shortage comes down to three nearby water tanks, each with a storage capacity of about a million gallons. These tanks help maintain enough pressure for water to travel uphill through pipes to homes and fire hydrants — but the pressure had decreased due to heavy water use, and officials knew the tanks couldn’t keep up the drain forever.

“We pushed the system to the extreme,” LADWP CEO Janisse Quiñones said in a news conference. “Four times the normal demand was seen for 15 hours straight, which lowered our water pressure.”

According to LADWP, the tanks’ water supply needed to be replenished in order to provide enough pressure for the water to travel to fire hydrants uphill. But officials said as firefighters drew more and more water from the trunk line, or main supply, they used water that would have refilled the tanks, eventually depleting them.

That decreased the water pressure, which is needed for the water to travel uphill.

“I want to make sure that you understand there's water on the trunk line, it just cannot get up the hill because we cannot fill the tanks fast enough,” Quiñones said.

The first LADWP water tank ran out at about 4:45 p.m. Tuesday, while the second ran out at approximately 8:30 p.m. that day and the third and final tank ran out at about 3 a.m. Wednesday. Officials said this was to be expected due to the constraints of the municipal water system, which L.A. County Public Works Director Mark Pestrella said is “not designed to fight wildfires.”

“A firefight with multiple fire hydrants drawing water from the system for several hours is unsustainable,” Pestrella said in a news conference Wednesday. “This is a known fact.”

Indeed, fire hydrants have also run dry in the case of other wildfires that spread to urban areas, including the 2017 Tubbs Fire, 2024’s Mountain Fire and 2023’s Maui wildfires.

In these cases, firefighters have to rely on other water sources. For the Palisades Fire, LADWP brought in 19 water trucks, each with capacities of 4,000 gallons.

“There is no lack of water flowing through our pipes and flowing to the Palisades area,” LADWP spokesperson Mia Rose Wong said in a statement to LAist. “Water remains available in Palisades, but is limited in areas at elevation impacting fire hydrants.”

Well of course, it’s all they have.

Saw an awesome acronym today that fits this perfectly:

Republican In Closest Proximity (RICP)

libs always head toward the RICP when they screw something up beyond all recognition. For California it's going to be Trump even though he's not the Prez yet.

BTW, just for kicking them when they're down:

https://x.com/TheBrandonMorse/status/1877411121512...

A firefighter spoke to Joe Rogan and predicted the LA fires to the inth detail back in July of 2024.

This has been a well-known vulnerability for some time, and California politicians did nothing.

Damn good thing they didn't fire any firefighters for not taking COVID shots, ignored all the DEI training nonsense, built extra water reservoirs and made sure the fire department was fully funded...

Oh, right. The did the opposite of all that.

Trump's lying is insidious. Knowledgeable people know this. He will never get the respect he craves from honest, knowledgeable people.

He doesn't like them, he doesn't need them, he can't grift from them.

It gets even better in California. They gaveled in a Special Legislative Session to "Trump-proof California".

You can't make these people up if you tried: they really are living, breathing caricatures.

OMG.
This is the ultimate DEI video.

Just. The. Ultimate.

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/18774582400504463...

Because when your house is burning down, the single most important thing is for the firefighter that responds is that he/she/they look like you.

You can't make these people up.

LAFD Assistant Chief Kristine Larson:

"Am I able to carry your husband out of a fire? He got himself in the wrong place."

What they’re dealing with in LA:

https://youtu.be/_qjT8KWPTiI?si=vJumqC6n5qIYbsnT

Can’t say that I blame anyone from doing that, but the net effect of thousands of people spraying down their own properties is a drop in water pressure in the mains. Hence, fire hydrants don’t have the necessary pressure to do much good."

Don’t most people around there have swimming pools? If so those should be a great supply of water. Team it up with an on-site generator and a pump and you have your own entirely self contained fire suppression system. No, it wouldn’t do any good in 100 mph winds if the house next door is going up, but if it were me I would already have a pipe to the top of the house with an impact sprinkler that does 360° and just let it run non-stop to wet everything down.

The cost would be a trifle compared to the potential losses. Running at 5 gal/min a 10,000 gallon swimming pool would last a day and a half, maybe more. Crazy idea, maybe, but I’d give it a try.

Elect a buffoon, you can expect widespread buffoonery.

Gavin Newso’s political future is also in ashes, right along with the the rest of LA.

Karen Bass? Also toast. At least there’s a Trans Cafe standing. That was a good use of taxpayer bucks instead of firefighting.

Let us never forget the enduring lesson behind LA:

Vote blue. Bleed red.

The cost would be a trifle compared to the potential losses. Running at 5 gal/min a 10,000 gallon swimming pool would last a day and a half, maybe more. Crazy idea, maybe, but I’d give it a try.

Generator/electric pump/impact sprinkler sounds good as long as the gen has a big fuel tank, otherwise someone needs to be there to refuel and make sure the pump reprimes if it conks out. Also, when the adjacent property faces your place with a 100' high wall of flames blowing your way at 50-100mph, it's like spitting in the wind; your sprinkler water goes downwind... not in the direction of the oncoming flames.


I had an uncle in Mandeville canyon (on Rivers Road if you care to look at the terrain on Google maps satellite imaging). Like many homeowners in the red tagged canyons, my uncle had an average sized pool and a standard Briggs 2" pump in the pool shed. I ran it during a fire in the 1980s. We have similar pumps on all our salvage boats so it was second nature to me to run the thing except for the climbing up and down the ladder to refuel the thing every 45 mins so it doesn't starve and lose prime. When the smoke got sketchy in the canyon we left because if you don't get out early, that Mandeville Rd becomes impassable. His house dodged the bullet without me on the roof. Rain that spring filled his pool with mud.


A well known surfer I grew up surfing with in SoCal, George Trafton, tried to save his house up by Topanga Canyon with a garden hose on Tuesday. He's in an ICU now. I have a hunch a lot of bodies will be found that were trying to defend with hoses or pool&pumps.

I have a hunch a lot of bodies will be found that were trying to defend with hoses or pool&pumps.

Oh for sure. I’d have a big gas tank and a pump and a generator, I’d turn it all on and hightail it out of there. (My brother, for instance, has a 500 gallon propane tank buried in the backyard. Would run his entire house for over a week if he needed to.) The whole point would be a “set and forget” system to drain the pool and spray it over the house.

And yes, I’m aware (I said) it wouldn’t work if your neighbor’s house is going up and the winds are 100 mph, but if you are lucky enough to be somewhere on the fringe and can spray 10,000 gallons of water over your house and property, you night extinguish a bunch of flying embers before they could do serious damage.

The whole point would be a “set and forget” system to drain the pool and spray it over the house.

Yep. And I wouldn't necessarily locate the sprayer on the roof. You had darned well have a tile or metal roof if you want any chance at all in a fire storm. No point in trying to wet those. In high winds, it's probably best located on the ground spraying with the wind into the side and eaves of the house.

You had darned well have a tile or metal roof if you want any chance at all in a fire storm.

A lot of those homes had very expensive tiled roofs. Again, a huge problem in the older neighborhoods is vegetation. Especially the privacy hedges and shade trees intentionally planted on the west sides of homes for shade. Sycamores are hugely popular. The huge leaf drops in the fall/winter hugely flammable. Hence 'Sycamore Canyon' "Rustic Canyon'

Insurance companies warn people to keep safe perimeters but few do. That's true everywhere people have the water and wherewithal to buy it.

Texas recognizes that as urban sprawl develops, their wildfires will exact an increasing toll.

Don’t most people around there have swimming pools? If so those should be a great supply of water. Team it up with an on-site generator and a pump and you have your own entirely self contained fire suppression system. No, it wouldn’t do any good in 100 mph winds if the house next door is going up, but if it were me I would already have a pipe to the top of the house with an impact sprinkler that does 360° and just let it run non-stop to wet everything down.

From the “there are no new ideas” file:

https://apple.news/AAf-wwl2NQXezEBGAUIl7Ig

This L.A. dad vowed he’d be ready for fires. His plan saved his home — and others
Neil Desai learned a lesson four years ago when a fire came precariously close to his family’s house. He geared up.

Some homeowners turn to garden hoses in the face of a potential wildfire. Desai had bigger plans.
He pulled out an array of mobile sprinklers he’d set on tripods, placing three in the backyard of his home and two on the tile roof. The 60-year-old attached a 2-inch hose to a pump by his backyard pool and fired up the generator to power it as his wife left and his son went to school.

Yes, the guy saved his house by having a portable generator, a pump, a swimming pool full of water, and several tripod hose sprayers. Owing to a close call years before he also had some fire retardant aero-gel in the garage, which he mixed in a hot tub to provide a slurry so it would “stick” to the house a little longer.

Good pictures with the story for those who can access it.

This L.A. dad vowed he’d be ready for fires. His plan saved his home — and others Neil Desai learned a lesson four years ago when a fire came precariously close to his family’s house. He geared up.

He's lucky, goofy. Anecdotes like this are interesting but I guarantee you this: the more people who try, the more will die or end up like my old childhood aquaintance, George.

The LAFD red tags neighborhoods, like my family's homes in Malibu, Sullivan Canyon and Mandeville canyons, where the value of the firefighters lives outweighs the risk of defending property.

Commercial salvors know pumps. Gas, diesel, electric, 3/4" to 4", for dewatering vessels, controlling leakers on long tows, or crappy weather, and spraying water on burning vessels & docks, we depend our pumps every single day.

2" pumps are great little workhorses WHEN they're working right, but they are ALL are apt to fail on scene and cause momentary panic. They require constant testing and checking in between jobs. A failed o-ring, a missing gasket, and it won't prime or worse, backspray the engine. A hose cam clamp snaps and backsprays the engine. A smidge of water and the spark plug grounds out and you can't restart it. A contaminated diesel filter and it won't start or it stalls at the worst possible time. A pull cord snaps. It's a horrible feeling when these things happen, and it always happens at a critical time (or you wouldn't be deploying the pump).
We always carry backups. Even the 2" pumps the USCG lowers to vessels in distress from helos in sealed canisters, pumps that are checked and tested fail.

A successful home defense requires planning, BEING THERE, physical ability, and a degree of luck. A reliable pump system requires regular maintenance and testing. The climbing body count undoubtedly includes people who were not as fortunate as my surfing peer from the Palisades, George Trafton.

In a sad postscript to this story, a friend just send me a news story about a “harrowing scene” on the iconic Pacific Coast Highway early Wednesday morning.

“A man, his body severely burned and most of his clothes incinerated, was found stumbling on the side of the road. He is now fighting for his life.”

The man was George Trafton. Today he is undergoing surgery and skin grafts at UCLA and my thoughts are with him.

https://apple.news/AAf-wwl2NQXezEBGAUIl7Ig

This L.A. dad vowed he’d be ready for fires. His plan saved his home — and others
Neil Desai learned a lesson four years ago when a fire came precariously close to his family’s house. He geared up.

Some homeowners turn to garden hoses in the face of a potential wildfire. Desai had bigger plans.
He pulled out an array of mobile sprinklers he’d set on tripods, placing three in the backyard of his home and two on the tile roof. The 60-year-old attached a 2-inch hose to a pump by his backyard pool and fired up the generator to power it as his wife left and his son went to school.

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Good for Mr. Desai. He took action based on his prior close call. Too bad the state of California seems unable to do the same. One creative idea I heard on the network that shall not be named was to construct desalinization plants dedicated to keeping the reservoirs topped off. Some of the forthcoming $150M in federal aid should have some strings attached.

forthcoming $150M</>

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Make that "forthcoming $150B" in federal aid. Heck $150M won't even fund a good DEI program...

One creative idea I heard

More like an idiotic idea.

Starting from facts instead of the lies fed to you by the media you choose to consume, there was only one reservoir that was empty, because it was out of service for maintenance.

Spending lots of money to “solve” a problem that doesn’t exist is just plain stupid.

—Peter

Too bad the state of California seems unable to do the same. One creative idea I heard on the network that shall not be named was to construct desalinization plants

Ca has always considered desalinization plants.

Spending lots of money to “solve” a problem that doesn’t exist is just plain stupid.

—Peter

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Convincing yourself that lack of water was not and is not an issue is just plain stupid.

Too bad the state of California seems unable to do the same. One creative idea I heard on the network that shall not be named was to construct desalinization plants.

Ca has always considered desalinization plants. - Lambo

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What was the reason those considerations did not result in a go decision? Was the scope limited to fire control or the much much larger project of general water supply to citizens and agriculture?

Too bad the state of California seems unable to do the same. One creative idea I heard on the network that shall not be named was to construct desalinization plants

Ca has always considered desalinization plants.

The output of the biggest desal plant in the USA (in San Diego) is miniscule compared to the needs of a fire event of this magnitude. 50 million gallons sounds like a lot, but it's just 10% of SDs drinking water needs.
The amount of water being pumped by all these hundreds of firefighting units is mind-boggling.... and still not enough.

Extreme right wing media like Fox/OANN/Newsmax constantly fan the flames of hatred for anything that can be perceived as democrat/feminist/left/migrant/blue/lgbtq/elite/coastal elite/NewYork/California, etc..... in other words, over half the nation.

The output of the biggest desal plant in the USA (in San Diego) is miniscule compared to the needs of a fire event of this magnitude.

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Your statement assumes the desal plant is connected directly to the fire hoses. You are leaving out the humongous capacity of a reservoir that sets in between. The desal plant can spend all year filling and topping off the reservoir so a few billion gallons will always be available to fight fires when needed.

What was the reason those considerations did not result in a go decision? Was the scope limited to fire control or the much much larger project of general water supply to citizens and agriculture?

High cost.

Brief summary of the Santa Barbara desalination plant (where I live) here:

https://www.sbck.org/our-work/advocacy/water-suppl....

The City of Santa Barbara constructed a desalination plant in response to the drought of 1986-1991 at a cost of $34 million, but shortly after construction was complete in 1992, the drought ended and the high cost of desalinated water made it economically inviable, so the City promptly decommissioned the plant.

Convincing yourself that lack of water was not and is not an issue is just plain stupid.

With all due respect to your news source that paid over three-quarters of a billion for telling lies, I believe your statement is incorrect.

I’ve been following this story extremely closely as one of my sons lives in Burbank with his family (including 2 of my grandchildren). It’s nerve wracking.

I do not believe that there has been a lack of water. The issue is lack of water pressure.

Too many hoses trying to access water at the same time, broken water mains that are damaged and/or leaking, etc., etc., etc.

Just because you open a hose and no water comes out doesn’t necessarily mean there is a lack of water at the source.

He's lucky, goofy. Anecdotes like this are interesting but I guarantee you this: the more people who try, the more will die or end up like my old childhood aquaintance, George.

He didn’t stay. He set up the system, started the pump, and left along with his wife and kid. In the story he talks about coming back and expecting to find the place burned down, but it wasn’t, even though several of his neighbors’ houses were.

At that point he hung around, spraying the neighbor houses and tamping out any remaining embers so they wouldn’t flare up and threaten his house again. He did *not* put himself in personal danger, he prepared a “set and forget” system, turned it on, and galloped down the highway.

And yes, he was lucky, it might not have turned out that way. But he used his own resources at hand (swimming pool) rather than relying on the public utility water because - as it turned out - that was a super-demanded service which was unable to cope with the simultaneous demand from so many areas, including homeowners with hoses, fire departments opening hydrants, and so on.

No, it was not “water shortage” or “empty reservoir” as the uninformed Right is proclaiming, it was inability to supply everything, everywhere, all at once - a phenomenon we also see during disasters when cell phone service is overloaded, or when supply relief trucks enter a post-combat zone to feed displaced civilians. Of course the “government is always wrong” types complain about that, too, even though they complain about paying taxes to be over-prepared for the rare times when it happens.

But they’re happy to play the “know it all”, even though they are more apt to know nothing.

Convincing yourself that lack of water was not and is not an issue is just plain stupid.

CA hasn’t built any major water retention projects since New Melonies in 1979. Despite the loud and hysterical denials by some people here desperate to avoid blue blame, CA has done an insanely bad job of land management and water resources planning since the 1980’s.

I do not believe that there has been a lack of water. The issue is lack of water pressure.


Hahahahahahahahahaha!
Tell us you don’t understand the principle of hydrostatics without telling us you don’t understand the principle of hydrostatics.

What was the reason those considerations did not result in a go decision? Was the scope limited to fire control or the much much larger project of general water supply to citizens and agriculture?

There are 12 desalination plants in CA. A big one got disapproved not to long ago. There were two more approved in 2024. The normal balk is too high cost, etc. I also think they're ugly.

That's the best comment ever Sano.

etc. I also think they're ugly.

LOL! There’s a great choice matrix for you!

-Build a plant that might be ugly, or
-Watch your state burn down

What an entertaining thread!

<i<Convincing yourself that lack of water was not and is not an issue is just plain stupid.

CA hasn’t built any major water retention projects since New Melonies in 1979. Despite the loud and hysterical denials by some people here desperate to avoid blue blame, CA has done an insanely bad job of land management and water resources planning since the 1980’s.

Let me see, firefighters faced a lack of water pressure in fighting very large and wind-whipped fires. The lack of water pressure is due to hundreds of fire fighting equipment being hooked up to the system, and all those openings drew off water reducing the pressure.
Maybe we could put repeater pressurizers and a variable pump at the entry to the water main and have them all monitored and controlled by computer, forcing more water through but making sure there isn't too much water pressure in any one spot. Replace broken and leaking water mains.

The water does appear to be there, but I'd like to see the report.

C'mon Trump. Loan CA $100 billion. :)

The lack of water pressure is due to hundreds of fire fighting equipment being hooked up to the system, and all those openings drew off water reducing the pressure.

Lol. The emails and over the air updates really did go out saying ‘use this talking point’, didn’t they? Wildfires are a thing. Lack of water availability was only a part of their bad management. No fire breaks, no vegetation control, other things.

CA has put on a CLINIC on how to mismanage a place with a ridiculous abundance of resources. And there’s no RICP nearby to blame: this is all on the dominant political party.

Vote blue. Bleed red.

steve schmidt's substack:

“Trump looks at this disaster, and he sees one thing, and one thing only.
Opportunity.
He sees an opportunity to attack and weaken the enemy, which in his sick mind, is California.
The enemy is us.
Trump is happy today. Do you doubt it?
Over and over again, he has made clear what he wants to happen.
Trump despises California. He has made that clear enough.
Ten days from now, he will take command. What better way to pay back “Shifty Schiff” than by making his constituents suffer?
Why would anyone think anything else would happen?”

Trump's minions loyally echo Trump's hatred.

Dope: "Lack of water availability was only a part of their bad management. No fire breaks, no vegetation control, other things."

Prove you're an ignorant malicious dumbfuck without saying you're an ignorant malicious dumbfuck.

Prove you're an ignorant maliciou

Butthurt and stupid are no way to go through life, son.

Butthurt and stupid are no way to go through life, son.

Projection much. Yup.

Sorry, homie. When you don’t do anything around here besides take shots at others your record is what it is. Own it.

Tell us you don’t understand the principle of hydrostatics without telling us you don’t understand the principle of hydrostatics.

Dope1 using big words is like a 2-year old playing with a knife. They’re going to hurt themself.

Hydrostatics: Branch of physics that deals with the characteristics of fluids at rest.

No, I do not have a degree in hydrostatic engineering, but I understand the basic principles of water pressure.

LA, like every other large city on the planet, has designed their fire fighting resources to put out home/building fires, even multiple home/ building fires simultaneously.

But there is no fire fighting system anywhere on the planet designed to put out multiple neighborhood fires in multiple districts while the fires are spreading due to hurricane speed winds blowing burning embers all around.

Hydrostatics notwithstanding.

Dope1 using big words</i:

…like someone with training in the subject would.
They didn’t have enough water. Period, full stop.

I realize it sucks seeing The Church of liberalism brought low by that thing called “reality”, but you people are going to have to learn to live with lessons that you don’t like.

Watch as all of you suddenly discover your love for cutting red tape, just as High Priest of Proggie Gavin Newsom is today.

When you don’t do anything around here besides lie in support of a sociopathic lying fraud, felonious rapist, and take shots at others, your record is what it is. You own it, bud.

Failure. Any insults I fling are rarely personal. You and droogs like you don’t do anything but insult other people.

That’s useless. You can wear that label along with the big L you have stapled to your forehead. Run along now, kiddo. Adults are talking.

Convincing yourself that lack of water was not and is not an issue is just plain stupid.

I’m sorry that the facts don’t fit the narrative that you’re getting from somewhere, but the just don’t.

There was one reservoir which was down for maintenance. A desalination plant would not fix that. It is a stupid idea that someone pushing a “California Bad” narrative has Fed you and you seem to have bought it without spending any time on critical thought.

Now if you want to suggest we need more reservoirs or more capacity in the existing reservoirs or the ability to deliver water at a higher rate, those are sensible options to deal with issues that *might* have hampered the firefighting effort.

But I’ll wait for actual experts to take a look at the facts and figure out what the constraints were to firefighting efforts and not try to prematurely suggest things that may or may not actually help.

—Peter

Run along now, kiddo. Adults are talking.

LOL. Envisioning you running around with yer pants around your ankles after repeatedly being pantsed by non-liars on this board..... priceless.

At least my shorts aren’t full of Number 2.

Run along, kiddo.

At least my shorts aren’t full of Number 2.
Run along, kiddo.

They would be if your head wasn't up your derriere.

Take yer meds old man.

*Tosses Triumph some toilet paper*

Here. Use this.

No run along, kiddo.

That's the best comment ever Sano.

I can’t improve his comment, but perhaps I can expand on it a bit.

Just three months ago I was optimistic that my country would put hatred and ignorance behind us and would reject this sociopathic narcissist criminal and return to some semblance of sanity.

Unfortunately, too many of my fellow citizens could not bring themselves to vote for a competent woman of mixed race. So we’re back to incompetence and hatred and selfishness.

The best I can hope for is that these citizens will come to learn through experience the consequences of their embrace of selfishness and hatred. That they will learn the lesson the hard way - by experience - instead of learning by recognizing the mistakes of history and avoiding those mistakes.

Humanity will never be free of mistakes and poor choices. But we should strive to make new mistakes instead of repeating the mistakes of the past.

—Peter

No run along, kiddo.

Good advice.

That's 5 cyberbucks I wasted.

Time to let the next poster play 'dunk the MAGA'

Yes. Run along, kiddo. Get a new internet plan while you’re at it. And maybe learn to not be a pr1ck 100% of the time - try, say, 80% on for size.

CA hasn’t built any major water retention projects since New Melonies in 1979.

Too damned many people wanting too much, but that's how it is.

That stinking New Melones, and new Exchequer Dam, which were both expansions as I recall, just drowned more of the beautiful Sierra rivers. All those places I grew up hiking, fishing, rafting and exploring. Drowned out cave systems where we used to go caving. Gave us ugly stagnant reservoirs with their annual low water bathtub rings.

But, of course, the water is needed to support our profligate ways. I understand that but I also think we just keep putting off the inevitable reckoning.

Sustainability?

Fire chief on 60 Minutes tonight: (paraphrased a bit)
"We lost over 8000 homes to fires in 2 days. We usually send 3 firetrucks to a house fire. 24,000 trucks? I don't think the state of California has 24000 firetrucks."

Just three months ago I was optimistic that my country would put hatred and ignorance behind us and would reject this sociopathic narcissist criminal and return to some semblance of sanity.

Unfortunately, too many of my fellow citizens could not bring themselves to vote for a competent woman of mixed race. So we’re back to incompetence and hatred and selfishness.

I have decided to deal with my angst in the following way:

I think I am right that this administration is going to be the most corrupt, most venal, and most incompetent in the history of the American experiment (and that says a lot if you remember Richard Nixon, Millard Fillmore, Warren Harding, Andrew Johnson and others, and including the grotesque era of the Dred Scott decision).

But perhaps there is a chance I am wrong. The previous four year term of Trump showed nothing but dysfunction, chaos, and corruption = but maybe it will be different this time. I am prepared to say “I was wrong” if he manages to turn it around, unite, not divide the citizenry, and enact policies which move the country forward.

While I put the probabilities of that in the low tenths-of-one-percent range, I’ll admit anything is possible these days. Perhaps Greenland surrenders without a fight, and we discover huge mineral reserves or something. Maybe he starts a Forest Corps which goes out and gets rid of all the scrub in California so there are never any fires again. Maybe his threats of tariffs against China convince them to abandon their progress and sink back to a subservient role in world affairs.

You know, maybe…

Again, any outcome is possible. Meanwhile, acting on my primary instincts, I have installed a whole house generator, hired a private security force, stocked up with 2 years worth of oatmeal, have 47 Uzi’s at the ready, turned off the TV, and plan to live like a hermit until someone tells me it’s safe to come out again.

Please be that person. I’ll wait here.

LOL... Gnat. Is it your 'conservative' purity that prevents you from spelling prick correctly? I salute you.

While I put the probabilities of that in the low tenths-of-one-percent range, I’ll admit anything is possible these days. Perhaps ....

As soon as the price of eggs comes down and the homeless sitch is resolved ....

Astounding how the topic of homelessness has not emerged from Trump's piehole in view of the thousands of people recently impacted by natural disasters. Just more lies and bile.

Again, any outcome is possible. Meanwhile, acting on my primary instincts, I have installed a whole house generator, hired a private security force, stocked up with 2 years worth of oatmeal, have 47 Uzi’s at the ready, turned off the TV, and plan to live like a hermit until someone tells me it’s safe to come out again.

Please be that person. I’ll wait here.

I'm dreading whatever they do to play to MAGA folk on the "mass deportation" thing. We could occupy them by proposing an amendment that places term limits on Congress, gets rid of birth citizenship, and... what else? How do we work it so it's tantalizing for them, but not easy?

Dope: Tell us you don’t understand the principle of hydrostatics without telling us you don’t understand the principle of hydrostatics.

After mastering coronavirus epidemiology, supply chains, the Russia/Ukraine conflict, breastfeeding, the Israel/Palestine conflict, the civil war, the pros of invading Greenland,
and the economics of inflation...
Dope will now turn his mind to the hydrostatic principle?!

Hysterical! Thanks for the laughs!

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