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- Manlobbi
Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy
No. of Recommendations: 4
Hopefully, someone has some video that shows if the dead person was appearing to try to run someone down.
ICE agent shoots and kills a woman during the Minneapolis immigration crackdown
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A federal agent shot and killed a Minneapolis motorist when she allegedly tried to run over law enforcement officers during an immigration crackdown in the city, authorities said Wednesday.https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/articles/shoo...Steve
No. of Recommendations: 4
Too bad.
The moral: Don't take a car to a gunfight.
No. of Recommendations: 5
The moral: Don't take a car to a gunfight.
Well. We need to wait to see if any video is released. Was she trying to run someone down? Was she trying to get away? Was she trying to get out of the way?
Was she a hardened criminal? Was she in the wrong place at the wrong time?
One thing is probable: if the store troopers had not been there, she would be alive now.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 19
Steve203: Hopefully, someone has some video that shows if the dead person was appearing to try to run someone down.
Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey: "They are already trying to spin this as an action of self defense. Having seen the video myself, I want to tell everybody directly that is bullshit."
No. of Recommendations: 4
She hit the ICE agent with her car. If you do that, it's game over.
As far as I'm concerned, she *earned* her bullets.
No. of Recommendations: 4
No. of Recommendations: 5
Well. We need to wait to see if any video is released. It didn't take long. Here's one video. The relevant portion is about 25-30 seconds long. Beyond that is just commentary.
https://youtu.be/qA5AlS13mX0?si=SEx_eY7sjw_eNPRN&t...If you do listen to the commentator, I'm going to disagree with him a little. I do think the car very momentarily drove toward the officer who fired. But the car was turning and did turn away from the officer and there was clearly room for her to do so. She backed up enough to avoid the officer in front of the car. I also heard an order from a different officer to "get out of the car", not "get out of here" as some are reporting.
The only other comment I'm going to make is that Noem is lying (or repeating lies told to her) about the incident.
--Peter
No. of Recommendations: 2
Video here:Inconclusive. I don't see anyone standing in front of that black SUV.
According to the Department of Homeland Security, the shooting occurred when a female motorist attempted to “run over” an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent on a residential street in south Minneapolis.
Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem referred to the incident as “an act of domestic terrorism.”
Videos posted online and witness accounts cast doubt on that official narrative, however. Footage of the shooting appears to show the driver attempting to drive away from ICE officers as they tried to pull her from her car. Exact details of how the shooting unfolded remain unclear.
“I’ve seen the video. Don’t believe this propaganda machine, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz wrote on X.https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/article/minne...Steve
No. of Recommendations: 3
Inconclusive. I don't see anyone standing in front of that black SUV.
The agent who fired the shot did so from the front of the car.
No. of Recommendations: 4
It didn't take long. Here's one video.
I advanced that video one frame at a time around the 4:18 mark. The agent was completely clear of the car's path, when he fired the first shot. He continued to fire as the car passed him.
Welcome to Shinyland.
The only other comment I'm going to make is that Noem is lying (or repeating lies told to her) about the incident.
Spinning that her storm troopers are as infallible as God and Savior Trump, himself.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 8
She hit the ICE agent with her car. If you do that, it's game over.
She didn't hit the ICE agent with her car. If you watched Nick's videos, there's one that shows him walking up and placing himself on the corner of the car. He draws his weapon and points it at her. As she begins to turn away from him slowly, he fires. There was no need for him to draw or fire as far as I can see so far.
No. of Recommendations: 3
The agent who fired the shot did so from the front of the car.
Nope. He was standing directly behind the agent who approached the car door, when he fired the first shot. You can't see his body, but you can see his legs, behind the agent standing closer to the camera.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 5
Nope. He was standing directly behind the agent who approached the car door, when he fired the first shot. You can't see his body, but you can see his legs, behind the agent standing closer to the camera.Here's the frame from the video that I think illustrates what Steve is describing:
https://www.threads.com/@bookersquared/post/DTOE-Z......and the relative position of the bullet hole in the windshield certainly supports that - it's to the extreme edge of the windshield but still struck the driver, which would suggests that the agent was standing to the side of the vehicle:
https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_...But! It is really hard to judge these things from just watching an off-center phone video taken some distance away. This is why we have forensics and ballistics. They will be able to examine all of this and determine with some precision exactly where the officer was at relative to the car at the time the shots were fired. And even then, officers have some amount of judgment - they're not required to be perfect - and the vehicle was turning at the time. So the officer's position when the shot was fired may not be the same as when he drew his gun or a second or two before he drew his gun (which is when the assessment of threat would have been made).
No. of Recommendations: 8
Nope. He was standing directly behind the agent who approached the car door, when he fired the first shot. You can't see his body, but you can see his legs, behind the agent standing closer to the camera.
Exactly.
Let’s call it for what it is. Cold blooded murder.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Here's the frame from the video that I think illustrates what Steve is describing:
I didn't see a pic. All that came up at that link was an @. Did the "ministry of truth" purge it already?
it's to the extreme edge of the windshield but still struck the driver, which would suggests that the agent was standing to the side of the vehicle:
That bullet could have missed. We don't know how many times the driver was hit. The other two shots appear to have gone through the door window, and the window appears to have been rolled down, as it seems I can see the drivers arm on the window sill.
This is why we have forensics and ballistics. They will be able to examine all of this and determine with some precision exactly where the officer was at relative to the car at the time the shots were fired.
Or the storm troopers can seize all the evidence, and bury it, to maintain the Secretary's narrative that every one of her storm troopers is perfect in every way.
And, at the end of the day, the woman would not be dead, if the storm troopers were not there.
Steve
No. of Recommendations: 5
I didn't see a pic. All that came up at that link was an @. Did the "ministry of truth" purge it already?No, you have to click through and close the pop-up, apparently. But the images are all over the web - the below link shows the windshield clearly:
https://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/photos-...That bullet could have missed. We don't know how many times the driver was hit. The other two shots appear to have gone through the door window, and the window appears to have been rolled down, as it seems I can see the drivers arm on the window sill.Sure - the point being that there
isn't a bullet hole more centered in the windshield, which means the driver probably wasn't killed by a shot fired from in front of the car. Supporting the idea that the officer was off to the side of the car when the fatal shot was fired, not in front of it.
Or the storm troopers can seize all the evidence, and bury it, to maintain the Secretary's narrative that every one of her storm troopers is perfect in every way.
And, at the end of the day, the woman would not be dead, if the storm troopers were not there.The same is true of any LEO shooting, even if justified - so it doesn't tell us anything about whether the shooting was justified.
It's deeply unlikely that ICE can "seize all the evidence and bury it." There will have to be an autopsy and ballistics/forensic report, and that can't simply go missing. To say nothing of the various videos that are already on the web, which may be joined by more. This is not the sort of thing that can be made to go away....
