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At least 500 people were killed by an Israeli airstrike at a Gaza hospital, the Palestinian Health Ministry said.
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At least 500 people were killed by an Israeli airstrike at a Gaza hospital, the Palestinian Health Ministry said.
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It certainly wasn't a diegned to be bloodthirsty attack on helpless Palestinian civilians. That's for sure. Do you think otherwise?
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Parties pointing fingers right now: Palestinians claim it was Israeli airstrike, Israel claims it was a Palestinian rocket:
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And just who has the better credibility, based on historical actual behavior and statements by respective leadership?
Israel: "We want to live within secure borders and in peace with our neighbors"
Palestinians: "From the river, to the sea"
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And just who has the better credibility, based on historical actual behavior and statements by respective leadership?
Neither, at this point. This just happened. Neither party is probably 100% sure of what happened, given the fog of war and all that - and both parties know that it's in their best interest to immediately deny responsibility, even if it ultimately turns out that the munitions that struck the hospital were their own.
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So following up here, it seems the hospital wasn't even hit at all and that the initial reports weren't just wrong, but were fabricated. A rocket meant for Israel fell short and landed in the parking lot. American media ran with the preferred narrative that it was an Israeli missile but...
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/10/18/update-sho...As you can see, the hospital itself was not even hit or damaged (aside from some broken windows). Rather, the rocket fell short into the parking lot, burning some cars. There is no impact crater consistent with a high-explosive bomb from the IAF. Instead, essentially all of the damage appears to have been from a fire caused by the unspent rocket fuel.
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American media ran with the preferred narrative that it was an Israeli missile...
curious what American media you read/watch/listen that did this. All the media I consume generally indicated the truth was still buried in the fog of war.
Alan
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curious what American media you read/watch/listen that did this. All the media I consume generally indicated the truth was still buried in the fog of war.ABC, for one
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1714350186456101081...BREAKING: At least 500 people have been killed in a strike that targeted Al Ahli Arab Hospital in the middle of Gaza, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
The hospital served as a shelter for thousands of residents who fled their homes in northern Gaza.Complete with the picture of the mourner over the coffin.
Then there's NPR:
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/17/1206282283/gaza-aid...Hundreds killed in explosion at a crowded Gaza hospital
Wounded Palestinians sit in al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City, central Gaza Strip, after arriving from Al-Ahli hospital following an explosion there, on Tuesday.At least NPR said this
Palestinian health officials say hundreds of people have been killed in an explosion at a crowded Gaza hospital. The cause of the explosion has not yet been confirmed, with Palestinian authorities accusing Israel and Israel saying a Palestinian militant group was responsible.
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Palestinian health officials said most of the victims of the explosion were women and children. Arabic news channels broadcast grim footage of the catastrophic aftermath, showing grieving parents holding their children.Reuters also ran with it
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/least-50...In deadly day for Gaza, hospital strike kills hundredsThey even managed to have video...of a not-destroyed hospital.
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Dope1:
American media ran with the preferred narrative that it was an Israeli missile but...
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/10/18/update-sho...Funny, the first example that your link at Redstate says is guilty of "wrong" reporting is ABC News and their article clearly states (in paragraphs three and four):
The Israel Defense Forces denied responsibility for the explosion, saying a failed launch by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad caused the blast.
"From the analysis of the operational systems of the IDF, an enemy rocket barrage was carried out towards Israel, which passed in the vicinity of the hospital, when it was hit," IDF said. IOW, Redstate is lying.
Friendly advice: stop reading garbage sources.
Media Bias Fact Check: Overall, we rate RedState borderline Questionable and strongly Right Biased, based on story selection that always favors the right and use of emotionally loaded (sensationalized) headlines. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to poor sourcing of information and several failed fact checks.
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It appears your news source has a pretty selective interpretation of what those articles said.
Alan
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Funny, the first example that your link at Redstate says is guilty of "wrong" reporting is ABC News and their article clearly sta
Which wasn't what they blasted on X, formerly Twitter.
But thanks for playing.
Friendly advice: stop reading garbage sources.
Red State got it right. I'm sorry that your preferred narrative was wrong and that you were pulled in to the false reporting. Maybe you'll have better luck next time.
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It appears your news source has a pretty selective interpretation of what those articles said.
THAT's what you took away. Interesting.
I suspect that most of you didn't read far enough. I gave you 3 media sources.
ABC mentioned no nuance on X, formerly Twitter.
NPR had a photo of a woman holding an injured child, clearly intending to draw the connection to the hospital.
And Reuters had video, clearly intending to indicate it was from the scene.
Any comments on those?
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Let's review what you originally posted:
American media ran with the preferred narrative that it was an Israeli missile
Alan
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Let's review what you originally posted:
...and I answered your question and gave you 3 examples.
I'm done, see ya.
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Yet none of your links indicate it was an "Israeli Air strike". At best, they indicated both sides could be responsible.
Alan
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Dope: Which wasn't what they blasted on X, formerly Twitter.
Jeez, your own link proves you and RedState wrong. There's nothing in the ABC News tweet or article that says anything about "leveled buildings," or an "Israeli bombing".
Here is the original ABC News tweet:
BREAKING: At least 500 people have been killed in a strike that targeted Al Ahli Arab Hospital in the middle of Gaza, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
The hospital served as a shelter for thousands of residents who fled their homes in northern Gaza.
The ABC News article clearly states:
The Israel Defense Forces denied responsibility for the explosion, saying a failed launch by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad caused the blast.
"From the analysis of the operational systems of the IDF, an enemy rocket barrage was carried out towards Israel, which passed in the vicinity of the hospital, when it was hit," IDF said.
You and RedState are dead wrong.
You could object to the word "targeted" but that was cleared up pretty quickly and even the initial ABC News article reporting said: the explosion was the result of "a failed launch by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad".
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BREAKING: At least 500 people have been killed in a strike that targeted Al Ahli Arab Hospital in the middle of Gaza, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
Oh, right. Does Hamas have an air force? Do they conduct "strikes"? No? All rightie then.
You could object to the word "targeted" but that was cleared up pretty quickly and even the initial ABC News article reporting said: the explosion was the result of "a failed launch by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad".
No, they did not.
BREAKING: At least 500 people have been killed in a strike that targeted Al Ahli Arab Hospital in the middle of Gaza, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
Where's that say Islamic Jihad? It doesn't. You're carrying water for the media here.
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And just to finish some folks off:
https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/171435870430315...Bombing a hospital is among the gravest of war crimes. The IDF reportedly blowing up one of the few places the injured and wounded can seek medical treatment and shelter during a war is horrific.And what was she referencing?
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1714336328312144180BREAKING: The Gaza Health Ministry says at least 500 people killed in an explosion at a hospital that it says was caused by an Israeli airstrike....with yet another misleading picture to accompany the splash headline from above - bunch of civilians wandering around the rubble. Pictures from today directly contradict that.
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And here's the IDF themselves calling this out:
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1714409021992521983...Media outlets around the globe were quick to run Hamas' headlines'without fact checking.
We now know that an Islamic Jihad rocket aimed at Israel misfired and hit the hospital in Gaza....with yet more embedded examples of media outlets rushing to judgement. In the link (which some of you won't click but I'll describe it anyway) we see CNN, The WSJ, the LA Times, the AP, and more.
Here's an IDF spokesman describing the BBC's coverage:
https://twitter.com/jconricus/status/1714442704971...Apalled by the double standards in reporting: breaking coverage on
@BBCWorld
automatically blames Israel for an explosion at a Gaza hospital, based solely on what terrorist Hamas claims!
And when we investigate and refute the claims, evidence must be delivered. I have no issue with being held accountable, but only wish our enemies are held to the same scrutiny. Watch my interview.
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...with yet another misleading picture to accompany the splash headline from above - bunch of civilians wandering around the rubble. Pictures from today directly contradict that. - Dope
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Also no crater anywhere as you would get in an actual bomb strike. No collapsed buildings as you would expect in an explosion but major fire damage that would occur from lets say unspent rocket fuel creating fireball.
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Also no crater anywhere as you would get in an actual bomb strike. No collapsed buildings as you would expect in an explosion but major fire damage that would occur from lets say unspent rocket fuel creating fireball.
The media's been dying to run a story like this knowing that it would create a splash and reinforce the narrative they want. They inserted the "both sides say" stuff but did other subtle things like attach BS photos and videos to their reporting to make this something it wasn't (a detail rather willfully ignored by responders here).
Now that the truth is out, they're walking things back. The BBC guy interviewing the IDF spokesman even tried to deflect to some other incident.
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Also no crater anywhere as you would get in an actual bomb strike. No collapsed buildings as you would expect in an explosion but major fire damage that would occur from lets say unspent rocket fuel creating fireball.All consistent with a failed Islamic Jihad rocket launch from near the hospital. See text and images and video at
https://www.newsweek.com/gaza-hospital-video-israe...
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"Now that the truth is out, they're walking things back. The BBC guy interviewing the IDF spokesman even tried to deflect to some other incident."
Not everyone. Rashita Tlab is now in Washington whipping up a protest on the Capitol (ala Jan 6} by continuing the Lie as the responsibility for the hospital hit was Israeli responsibility. Arrests etc... Probably no jail time for anyone... She is a Liar, an anarchist, and a horrible human being.
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Dope1:
And just to finish some folks off:
https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/171435870430315...Jeez, even I commented on her Twitter account asking her to correct her incorrect tweet and/or delete it.
Looking over your stream of messages, the one place that I'd agree with you that did a really lousy job of handling the initial information as well as their "clean up" is the New York Times, which corrected their headline to: "Israeli Strike Kills Hundreds in Hospital, Palestinians say." So even their 'correction' is misleadingly bad.
Ironic, though, isn't it, that the New York Times and other media organizations have parroted any old lies that came out of Trump's mouth the exact same way as this and republicans never once were complained?
For example, NBC News, Reuters, Yahoo News, CNN, The Hill, CBS, USA Today, Bloomberg and Variety all ran variations of the headline: "Trump claims he lost popular vote because 'millions' voted illegally."
Is a "Trump claims" headline any different than the headline ending with "Palestinians say"?
No.
Basically, they're the same.
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You could just say, "You and RedState were right and I was wrong" but then you'd have a hard time working Trump into that, wouldn't you?
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Dope: ...and I answered your question and gave you 3 examples.
I'm done, see ya.
You run pretty good for an old guy with his pants down around his ankles.
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"You run pretty good for an old guy with his pants down around his ankles."
Its pretty clear that you are not the MF Sano , so welcome aboard newbie.
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Its pretty clear that you are not the MF Sano , so welcome aboard newbie.
It's sad when they have to cry out for attention.
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I'm not sure why they want to continue posting L's on this one, but whatever: Who knows what rattles around in some minds?
Anyway:
https://freebeacon.com/media/here-are-the-media-ou...It wasn't just that they got it wrong, but a lot of "journalists" rather than evolving their stories and doing a better job decided to turtle up and double down:
Journalists on X also promoted Hamas's version of events without proof. Then, as evidence began to emerge suggesting that Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a Hamas affiliate in Gaza, bombed the hospital, many of those journalists fought to prevent the media coverage from shifting.And of course
Still, the media were not deterred from relying on Hamas for information. On Thursday, outlets continued to cite the terrorist group's improbable claims about the numbers of dead and injured. NBC News on Wednesday broadcast a report from a Gazan journalist who said that "according to the experts," 900 people were killed in the hospital blast, and only "the Israeli occupation" could be responsible for such a large death toll.On that last point, CNN's revised headline from Jessie Yeung takes the cake: "Hundreds likely dead in Gaza hospital blast, as Israeli blockade cripples medical response".
Just take this L along with all the others, gang.
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Friendly advice: stop reading garbage sources.
They have to stick to garbage sources or else face reality, and that is just untenable.
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She is a Liar, an anarchist, and a horrible human being. ..... and not representative of the greater Democratic population.
But hey, let's focus on her and not the orange rapist supported by >50% of your guys.
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"But hey, let's focus on her and not the orange rapist supported by >50% of your guys."
There is more to this world than Trump.
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"But hey, let's focus on her and not the orange rapist supported by >50% of your guys."
Boater:"There is more to this world than Trump.
Not in his mind their ain't. He takes up more 'air' than any other politician in the USofA. He's grabbed the pussies of 199 GOP reps's such that they are trying to install his own personal perv as speaker.
That's a magnitude more significant than a minor Michigan Muslim rep, right or wrong, crying for her constituents.
Is she lying? Perhaps.
You and George Santos are on the same page on that issue.
The company you keep.
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""There is more to this world than Trump.
Not in his mind their ain't."
Apparently in yours too.
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While we wonder and hope who might have been responsible for the horrific death toll at the Baptist Hospital, this;
Israel says 6,000 bombs dropped on Gaza as war with Hamas nears a week. Israel on Thursday said it has dropped 6,000 bombs weighing 4,000 tonnes on Gaza in the past six days, killing more than 1,400 people. Officials in Gaza said the dead included 447 children, 248 women and 10 healthcare workers. More than 150 people were killed on Thursday alone. The United Nations humanitarian office said Israeli bombardment of Gaza has levelled more than 1,000 homes since Saturday while another 560 housing units have been severely damaged and rendered uninhabitable. - Al Jazeera
It doesn't appear the IDF has many quibbles about inflicting civilian deaths.
fd
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""There is more to this world than Trump.
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Not in his mind their ain't."
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Apparently in yours too.
But it's not a mindless focus. The threat that Trump may become president again is all too real, and terrifying. Until he either loses his attempt to become the Republican nominee or loses the next presidential election, it is impossible to let that focus go.
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"But it's not a mindless focus. "
To divert a 5wpost about Rashita Tlaib and a Hamas protest to a screed about Trump would qualify as a mindless focus to sane folks.
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To divert a 5wpost about Rashita Tlaib and a Hamas protest to a screed about Trump would qualify as a mindless focus to sane folks.The nuttier they are, the more normal it seems to them to take a thread about an explosion at a hospital and make it about Trump.
Anyhoo. Even Brian Stetler thinks the media blew it:
https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1714816826...When news breaks, and public interest is highest, information is lowest.
This was true on Tuesday when there was an explosion at a hospital in Gaza.
It seemed that when the stakes were highest, newsroom standards were the lowest. That's what needs to be addressed
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The only way to deal with it....speaking just for myself....
GO CONGRESSWOMAN TLAIB GO!!!!!
May her voice be the spark that lights a fire.
And may it embolden "certain people" from Paris to Berlin.
(I speak of humanitarian workers.....)
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To divert a 5wpost about Rashita Tlaib and a Hamas protest to a screed about Trump would qualify as a mindless focus to sane folks.
I hadn't read the post that spawned the interchange I had responded to.
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""There is more to this world than Trump.
Not in his mind their ain't."
Apparently in yours too.
Nope. There's plenty to think abiout in addition to the orange combover rapist, the violence inducing racketeer with a pussy-grip on the GOP.
You bet he's on my mind , and yours too.
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"You bet he's on my mind , and yours too."
Not really.
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It doesn't appear the IDF has many quibbles about inflicting civilian deaths.
fd
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It is clear that Israel goes out of its way to avoid civilian casualties. Were you expecting zero civilian casualties. Ask Hamas what their civilian casualty policy is.
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BHM
I see no credible evidence that the IDF is doing anything to avoid civilian casualties. They tout that as a policy, but the indiscriminate bombing, evidenced by the tonnage dropped and the results, and by the starving of the population of food, water, and medical supplies argues a different goal than eliminating Hamas.
To my view, the policies as enacted so far have the goal of driving the populace out of north Gaza into the Sainai and then removing the right of return. Smells like ethnic cleansing.
fd
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o my view, the policies as enacted so far have the goal of driving the populace out of north Gaza into the Sainai and then removing the right of return. Smells like ethnic cleansing.
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Why is President Biden seeking more funding to subsidize ethnic cleansing?
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To my view, the policies as enacted so far have the goal of driving the populace out of north Gaza into the Sainai and then removing the right of return. Smells like ethnic cleansing.
fd
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Of course it does. Many college students, college professors, and Rajida Talib and the good people of Minnesota who elected her agree with you. I do not.
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Of course it does. Many college students, college professors, and Rajida Talib and the good people of Minnesota who elected her agree with you. I do not.
Amazing how fast a number of them have come out of the woodwork...
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>>Of course it does. Many college students, college professors, and Rajida Talib and the good people of Minnesota who elected her agree with you. I do not.<<
Amazing how fast a number of them have come out of the woodwork... - Dope
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I think most conservatives were well aware of that. What I think is the liberals are surprised to be finding out how much antisemitism is embedded in their constituency.
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I think most conservatives were well aware of that. What I think is the liberals are surprised to be finding out how much antisemitism is embedded in their constituency.We've been telling them for years who they've got on their team but they've refused to listen...and now a lot of them are in some serious denial.
Meet the next member!
https://twitter.com/Ejmiller25/status/171535978779...Heh. The octopus over the chair is a nod to the Octopus over the globe meme the antisemites use. Whoops. She's since deleted this one.
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It doesn't appear the IDF has many quibbles about inflicting civilian deaths.-fd
If Israel was as wantonly vicious as the Hamas attackers they would have simply carpet bombed Gaza to the high tide line without advance notice.
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It doesn't appear the IDF has many quibbles about inflicting civilian deaths.-fd
If Israel was as wantonly vicious as the Hamas attackers they would have simply carpet bombed Gaza to the high tide line without advance notice. - sano
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Look at me, agreeing with sano. Maybe, there is hope for our republic after all.
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BHM
C'mon! Look at the history of the founding of Israel. The whole playbook is ethnic cleansing from the bombing of the Kind David right through to the illegal settlements in the West Bank. There are currently more than 6 million refugee Palestinians living in camps. They were forced out of their homes at the point of a gun, fleeing for their lives.
How do you see that as other than ethnic cleansing?
fd
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Mike and Dope,
You are both guilty of the worst kind of calumny. You should be ashamed but I rather doubt you are capable of meaningful self reflection.
To criticize the actions of the state of Israel is in no way on antisemitic. Israel is justly criticized for its policies, politics, and state sanctioned injustice; apartheid if you will. None of those actions are consistent with the teachings in the Talmud or Torah.
Take your BS cat calls of antisemitism and shove them you know where.
fd
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And yet the Palestinian corpses already outnumber the settlers 3 to 1 and they've just begun. But the intent is not to rack up corpses but more likely to move the population out of N Gaza permanently.
Dead is dead.
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How do you see that as other than ethnic cleansing?
fd
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The two state solution was on the table in 1948, Israel accepted, the Palestinians did not.
Israel for a long time was still eager for the two states, living within secure borders and at peace will all of their neighbors. Hamas and other terrorist extremists caused so much abuse over the years, I don't blame Israel for trying something new and their cause is just. The ball is in the Palestinian courts who must agree that Israel has a right to exist. No real progress can be made without at least that foundation. Short of that, Israel will be overrun some day in the far distant future and then we will see what industrial-strength ethnic cleansing looks like.
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"" During an MSNBC interview with Rachel Maddow on Monday, Walensky said: "Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick. And that it's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data."
https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-vaccination-co...There are lawsuits pending over these issues.
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hclasvegas: some of the Maddow videos are classic.
Um, are you an idiot?
Your article clearly states that the tweet was a fake, a forgery:
There is no evidence that Maddow ever posted this statement.
It does not appear on archived versions of Maddow's X profile from Feb. 15, 2024, the day the post was allegedly published. There is no discussion on X that records people interacting with or discussing the purported statement either.
Finally, the screenshot used in Reddit is attributed to "media.conspiracies.win," suggesting the image was originally found on a Reddit clone that is dedicated to conspiracies and has limited content moderation.
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hclasvegas: some of the Maddow videos are classic.
common one: Um, are you an idiot?
Your article clearly states that the tweet was a fake, a forgery:
Trump loves his cult...so easily duped!
