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Author: g0177325   😊 😞
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Subject: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 8:26 AM
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Trump's latest "truth" tweet:

Apr 07, 2026, 8:06 AM
A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!


https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116...

Is he bluffing? I still really can't believe that even Trump will follow-through on these threats. Sill plenty of time for a TACO. But Hegseth's scheduled presser for 8:30 AM today was cancelled last night, so who knows. Perhaps he's preparing to launch the attack.
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 9:51 AM
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A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!

Let's see...how will the media sanewash Trump...

"Trump threatened renewed attacks on Iran if a peace deal could not be reached."

Our POTUS is a lunatic.
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Author: g0177325   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 10:11 AM
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Our POTUS is a lunatic.

The only thing that would make it even more nuts is concluding it with "Allāhu ʾAkbar!!!"

And I'd give him extra lunacy points for using Arabic: الله أكبر

The takbīr (Arabic: تَكْبِير [tak.biːr], lit. 'magnification [of God]') is the name for the Arabic phrase Allāhu ʾAkbar (Arabic: اللّٰهُ أَكْبَر [ʔaɫ.ɫaː.hu ʔak.bar] ⓘ, lit. 'God is the greatest [of everything]').[1][2][3][4]

It is a common Arabic expression, used in various contexts by Muslims around the world: in formal salah (prayer),[4] in the adhan (Islamic call to prayer),[5] in Hajj, as an informal expression of faith, in times of distress or joy, or to express resolute determination or defiance. The phrase is the official motto of Iran and Iraq. It is also used by Orthodox Arab Christians as an expression of faith.[6]

Etymology

The Arabic word كَبِير (kabīr) means big from the Semitic root k-b-r. A cognate word for this root exists in Hebrew as כביר (kabir). The Arabic word أَكْبَر (ʾakbar) is the elative form ("bigger, biggest") of the adjective kabīr ("big"). When used in the takbīr it is usually translated as "biggest", but some authors translate it as "bigger".[7][8][9] The term takbīr itself is the stem II verbal noun of the root k-b-r, meaning "big", from which akbar "bigger" is derived. The form Allāhu is a nominative of Allah, meaning "God".[10][11]

The takbīr is sometimes translated into English as "God is greater", which is short for "God is greater than all" (الله أَكْبَرُ من كلِّ شيء). It is an example of an Arabic idiom where an incomplete sentence, abbreviated because of its familiarity, is considered grammatically correct.[12]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takbir
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Author: SuisseBear 🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 10:12 AM
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A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will.

Trying hard to think of another democracy where such a statement is not mutually exclusive with a presidential approval rating close to 40%.
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 10:15 AM
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Is he bluffing? I still really can't believe that even Trump will follow-through on these threats. Sill plenty of time for a TACO. But Hegseth's scheduled presser for 8:30 AM today was cancelled last night, so who knows. Perhaps he's preparing to launch the attack.

We'll find out soon enough.

In one of the other discussions, Dope1 made a comment that stuck with me. He analogized Iran to a neighborhood thug, and described the appropriate response as:

"I said "tune him up" which means "kick his a$$ hard enough that he learns his lesson or finds other targets to prey on". Either outcome is acceptable."

That's sort of the standard remedy for dealing with a schoolyard bully or a neighborhood thug, where you might expect that the target's response will be one of those two things: learn their lesson or leave you alone and prey on someone else. But if the target is a hardened criminal, or a genuinely evil person, or not rational, they might not have one of those two responses. They might just take the hit and then escalate themselves.

Iran has shown that they can take a punch, metaphorically. They've spent the last 47 years hardening their regime to be able to withstand these kinds of assaults and remain in power. If they believe that they can similarly survive whatever the next phase of bombing is, they very well might let this ultimatum deadline pass. And I'm not sure we have a Plan B for what happens if we "tune up" Iran but they don't change their ways. Right now, it sure seems like the strategy was "surely at some point they'll sue for peace or lose control of the country without us having to invade with ground troops." Maybe that eventually works out, but I think the regime knows as well as we do that all they have to do is outlast the air war and not worry about a ground invasion.

As for the imminent attack, don't rule out Trump's other alternative - to simply lie. Or engage in strategic ambiguity, if you will. He can simply say that Iran has come to the table begging for peace ("Sir! Please don't bomb us back to the Stone Age, Sir!"), so he's giving another X days to let the negotiators work it out. Then he can declare victory and leave in X days while being able to claim he wasn't balked.
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Author: alan81   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 10:22 AM
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don't rule out Trump's other alternative - to simply lie. Or engage in strategic ambiguity, if you will.
Almost certainly the case and Iran has created this possibility by opening the strait to some countries.
Alan
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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 10:27 AM
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Trying hard to think of another democracy where such a statement is not mutually exclusive with a presidential approval rating close to 40%.

30 years of FOX 'news' and a gullible and poorly educated citizenry, and here we are.
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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 10:56 AM
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Then he can declare victory and leave in X days while being able to claim he wasn't balked.

Will be difficult to declare peace if missiles and drones still blowing up things in Riyadh and Haifa, and Strait still extracting tolls/blocking ships.
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 11:01 AM
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Will be difficult to declare peace if missiles and drones still blowing up things in Riyadh and Haifa, and Strait still extracting tolls/blocking ships.

I didn't say he'd declare peace. I said he'd declare victory. We beat Iran. We beat them weeks ago. They just aren't willing to accept how badly they were beaten. They lost the war, but for some reason they keep blowing up things. As if blowing up things could undo the fact that they lost the war.

So if they're blowing up stuff in Riyadh and Haifa, that's SA and Israel's problem. Not ours. We accomplished all our objective. Accomplished them weeks ago. Now Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, at any time ever in the future. We also obliterated their missile program, as long as you ignore the thousand or so missiles (and more drones) they have left. And we've insured that they won't be able to support terror proxies in the region ever again. We did it!
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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 11:08 AM
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I didn't say he'd declare peace. I said he'd declare victory. We beat Iran. We beat them weeks ago. They just aren't willing to accept how badly they were beaten. They lost the war, but for some reason they keep blowing up things. As if blowing up things could undo the fact that they lost the war.

So if they're blowing up stuff in Riyadh and Haifa, that's SA and Israel's problem. Not ours. We accomplished all our objective. Accomplished them weeks ago. Now Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, at any time ever in the future. We also obliterated their missile program, as long as you ignore the thousand or so missiles (and more drones) they have left. And we've insured that they won't be able to support terror proxies in the region ever again. We did it!



Have you considered a career as a speech writer for Donald Trump? You’re good at this.

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Date: 04/07/26 11:49 AM
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Have you considered a career as a speech writer for Donald Trump? You’re good at this.

Listen, I may be a lawyer, but I don't think I've done anything so terrible as to merit being given that type of punishment!

Anyhoo, latest news is that Iran has informed Pakistan that they're no longer participating in any exchanges of proposals. The prospects of having any real progress before tonight were already pretty dim. But by pulling out of the process, Iran gives the Administration even less opportunity to claim that there have been new developments as an excuse to delay responding to the passage of tonight's deadline.

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Date: 04/07/26 12:24 PM
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A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.

There are only two target choices for Spankee:

1. The Villages in Florida,

2. MAGA.

Nothing else qualifies as "civilization" to him.
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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 12:25 PM
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So if they're blowing up stuff in Riyadh and Haifa, that's SA and Israel's problem. Not ours. We accomplished all our objective. Accomplished them weeks ago. Now Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, at any time ever in the future. We also obliterated their missile program, as long as you ignore the thousand or so missiles (and more drones) they have left. And we've insured that they won't be able to support terror proxies in the region ever again. We did it!

I have tried to figure out what Iran’s response will/might be. The only thing I can come up with is blow up everybody else’s oil.

Crossposted & jumped from Liquid Lounge over on that other set of boards:

We are on the threshold of another “obliteration”, this time for war crimes-worthy sort of things like targeting civilian infrastructure and worse.

So I got to thinking, what would Iran’s response be, should tonight’s deadline at 8:00 and Trump not chicken out *(I’m sorry, delay because negotiations are going so well.)

If I were Iran, I would just target all the oil facilities elsewhere: Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, and the other half dozen countries within drone range which may be lesser oil producers. My reasoning would be simple: I cannot defeat the US military directly, but I can injure America greatly by pushing up the price of oil worldwide and bringing it in for universal condemnation. Sure it would hurt me, but I’m gonna be hurt no matter what.

Doing so with drones is pretty easy; Iran is said to have thousands of them (in addition to its missile stocks) and the effects would be instantaneous. More than that, if I’m able to math, the oil in tankers loaded 6 weeks ago, as the hostilities began, is now at its destination, and after that the pipeline is pretty empty. There might be some residual stuff laying around but mostly the strangulation of the Strait will start to show up bigly.

Make it worse. Send the financial system on which the US and other allies systems are built into turmoil. Play the “Oh yeah? Watch this!” Card.

Buckle up. It’s gonna be a bumpy ride.
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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 12:59 PM
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Anyhoo, latest news is that Iran has informed Pakistan that they're no longer participating in any exchanges of proposals.

According to who? Recall the conflict in "news" yesterday; bubblevision saying Trump refused Iran's offer, the bulk of the MSM saying Iran refused Trump's offer, and the Israeli media saying "Bibi" told Trump not to made a cease fire agreement.

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Subject: Re: 12 hours 'til doomsday for Iran
Date: 04/07/26 1:20 PM
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According to who?

The New York Times:

https://archive.ph/bSzzo#selection-1339.0-1339.175

Recall the conflict in "news" yesterday; bubblevision saying Trump refused Iran's offer, the bulk of the MSM saying Iran refused Trump's offer, and the Israeli media saying "Bibi" told Trump not to made a cease fire agreement.

Why is there a conflict there? Trump proffered a 15-point plan, which Iran refused. Iran proffered a 10-point plan, which Trump refused. It's almost certain that Israel has asked Trump not to make a ceasefire; the same has been reported of Saudi Arabia and the UAE. All of those things can be simultaneously true. In fact, all of those things actually seem pretty likely to be true - all have been reported from a number of sources.

What's the conflict?
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Date: 04/07/26 1:35 PM
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Make it worse. Send the financial system on which the US and other allies systems are built into turmoil. Play the “Oh yeah? Watch this!” Card.


And the only consolation is Steve may make some money on his oil stocks. :) Maybe we'll get lucky and something fantastic will fall out of the sky. Nothing looks good right now.
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What's the conflict?

The conflict is, outside of bubblevision, all the media most USians consumer tells them the failure of negotiations is all Iran's fault, because the media is not telling them about the other aspects of the story.

Of course, whether the Trump regime ever intended to negotiate in good faith, at all, is a good question, given that the US has attacked Iran, in the middle of negotiations, twice.

Steve
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The conflict is, outside of bubblevision, all the media most USians consumer tells them the failure of negotiations is all Iran's fault, because the media is not telling them about the other aspects of the story.

I'm not sure that's right. I think that the news media has been pretty consistent in observing that both the U.S. and Iran made proposals, and that neither was acceptable to the other party. I mean, even Fox News put both parts right at the top of their live update page:

Iran has rejected proposals put forward by the U.S., and Trump in turn shut down a 10-point plan from Tehran on Monday, saying it was "not good enough."

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/trump-iran-deadl...

Whose "fault" it is would be more of an editorial/opinion type of assessment, and obviously different media will have different perspectives. But in terms of reporting the actual course of the proposal exchanges, I'm not aware of any large-audience media that have failed to report the existence of both proposals.
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Make it worse. Send the financial system on which the US and other allies systems are built into turmoil. Play the “Oh yeah? Watch this!” Card.

Nothing to stop Iran from attacking major US infrastructure. Spankee doesn't have a clue because he has been TOLD--but he doesn't comprehend. Asymmetric warfare--remember?

Lots of "soft" targets in the US that will cause LOTS of MAGA to get really pissed off at Spankee because they are "in the dark" AND have to pay massive prices for gas (all types). This has been documented as a major problem in the US for years.
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Hey MAGAs, perhaps you shouldn’t have elected the dumbest villain alive, twice.
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I'm not aware of any large-audience media that have failed to report the existence of both proposals.

I watched the NBC evening "news" last night, and all it said was "Iran refused". I had no problem finding articles on line that only said "Iran refused". That is why I pointed out that, of the sources I looked at, only bubblevision had an article that said "Trump refused". And I had to go to Israeli media to find the article that "Bibi" was pressing Trump to refuse a cease fire.

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Lots of "soft" targets in the US that will cause LOTS of MAGA to get really pissed off at Spankee because they are "in the dark" AND have to pay massive prices for gas (all types). This has been documented as a major problem in the US for years.

Trump the Most Perfect would simply escalate his pogrom against Muslims far ahead of his pogrom against Hispanics. Remember, he campaigned on a "Muslim ban" in 2016.

In potentially related news, the crawler on the Beeb last night, reported that the Democratic Republic of the Congo has agreed to accept USian deportees. Would the DRC, which is overwhelmingly Christian, like receiving large numbers of Muslims? I'm not sure.

Steve
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I watched the NBC evening "news" last night, and all it said was "Iran refused". I had no problem finding articles on line that only said "Iran refused". That is why I pointed out that, of the sources I looked at, only bubblevision had an article that said "Trump refused".

Weird. Seems like tons of sources had it, including NBC news (though it sounds like not the broadcast):

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security...

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/06/us/politics/tru...
https://time.com/article/2026/04/07/trump-warns-wh...
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2026/04/06/president-tr...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-reveals-ira...
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-sa...
https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/iran-war-trum...
https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/06/world/live-news/ira...

And I had to go to Israeli media to find the article that "Bibi" was pressing Trump to refuse a ceasefire.

It might not be especially well sourced, if it's only showing up in Israeli media. Is it showing up in any other international English-language media?
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Do you feel Trump will move forward?

OR will it be some sort of an extension - where anyone from Iran to Pakistan to Rutte be where Trump hangs his hat for the moment?
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It might not be especially well sourced, if it's only showing up in Israeli media. Is it showing up in any other international English-language media?

I found one other site that reported "Bibi" pressing Trump to reject a cease fire, but that one referenced the same Times of Israel article I linked to.

This is from the Jerusalem Post, again, throwing buckets of cold water on the idea of a cease fire.

Israeli officials do not expect a ceasefire in Iran any time soon, sources tell 'Post'

With a US deadline approaching, the United States and Iran received the framework of a plan to end their five‑week-old conflict, though Tehran rejected any move to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

A senior Israeli official told The Jerusalem Post on Monday that Jerusalem did not expect a ceasefire to take shape in the coming days, despite earlier suggestions that such a move could be under discussion.


https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/articl...

Israel is apparently eager for the war to go on.

There were reports Saudi wanted the war too. Not surprising, considering the record high premium Saudi is demanding for it's crude, which I posted an article about earli8er.

Feb 28:

Push from Saudis, Israel helped move Trump to attack Iran

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/28...

March 24:

Saudi Leader Is Said to Push Trump to Continue Iran War in Recent Calls

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/us/politics/sau...

The MSM is doing it's best to hide it, but there is a non-zero possibility that the US is being used by certain foreign entities to advance their own agendas. No-one would want to admit that Trump is a whore, using our guys as mercs. Disturbing, isn't it?

Steve
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The MSM is doing it's best to hide it, but there is a non-zero possibility that the US is being used by certain foreign entities to advance their own agendas. No-one would want to admit that Trump is a whore, using our guys as mercs.

Well, flatly stating something in articles in such tiny newspapers as the New York Times and The Washington Post wouldn't be what I would call doing one's best to hide something. I have no doubt that Israel and Saudi Arabia - and probably several other of the Sunni Gulf states - are absolutely doing their best to persuade Trump to continue the war. Iran is a major regional threat to them, and they'd much rather have the U.S. wear them down for them.

Not sure that makes Trump a "whore" any more than any other prior President in history that has folks doing their best to persuade them to do things that also provide a benefit (security or otherwise) to other countries.
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