Invite ye felawes and frendes desirous in gold to enter the gates of Shrewd'm, for they will thanke ye later.
- Manlobbi
Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy❤
No. of Recommendations: 3
"Violent Crime is not just a threat to people's physical safety, it is a threat to their ability to freely go about their daily lives. Violent crime isolates people and communities, it deepens the fractures in our public life, and when it is not addressed, it can undermine people's trust in the government and each other."...... Merrick Garland, Speaking at a press conference.
The AG gets it, he really does. He concludes with the obligatory we are focusing on this and partnering with that. I get it that he is necessarily vague because what the hell can you do to re-anchor society? Really?
Take for example, the smash and grab of the bakery in Compton. 100 coordinated looters stripped the place clean in a couple of minutes. Used a stolen car to bash in the store front to gain access.
How do you stop something like this? To arrest 100 shoplifting felons would take 500 officers and a ten busses to move everybody around. Not exactly a quick response situation. I think the crooks have figured that out, the system is overwhelmed and odds of capture are about as low as they can get. And even if caught, bail reform and a Soros DA, odds are low for a prosecution. When public policy is that shoplifting $950 (is it?) or less will NOT be prosecuted, the government is literally pouring fuel on the fire.
Have we crossed some sort of lawlessness threshold where this is more-or-less the new normal?
Really, there may be no solution. I can't think of one. Starting early with the education of our youth to instill different values would be impossible to implement. And even if it could, it would not bear fruit for ten or fifteen years and by then the country will be in flames. Happy New Year by the way.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Really, there may be no solution. I can't think of one. Starting early with the education of our youth to instill different values would be impossible to implement. And even if it could, it would not bear fruit for ten or fifteen years and by then the country will be in flames. Happy New Year by the way.
I can think of something that will work:
More sticks. Fewer carrots.
We're seeing these outbreaks for 1 reason and 1 reason only: we're allowing them to happen. Take a case like this one, devote the resources to hunting down every last perp, and lock them all up for whatever they can be locked up for. The next set of perps will start to think twice.
No. of Recommendations: 0
Have we crossed some sort of lawlessness threshold where this is more-or-less the new normal?
Really, there may be no solution. I can't think of one. Starting early with the education of our youth to instill different values would be impossible to implement. And even if it could, it would not bear fruit for ten or fifteen years and by then the country will be in flames. Happy New Year by the way.<bhm>
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Egads, I just read this again and wow, it portends a dark and apocalyptic future. I fear I may have been infected with Democrat. Is there any cure?
No. of Recommendations: 5
bighairyguy: And even if caught, bail reform and a Soros DA...
DING. DING. DING. Bonus points for the veiled antisemitism.
bighairyguy: When public policy is that shoplifting $950 (is it?) or less will NOT be prosecuted...
Yeah, that's not "public policy". And if you drive a car into a business, you WILL BE prosecuted if identified and arrested. Plenty of people there were not covering their faces so that shouldn't take a lot of resources to identify the instigators.
And I agree with you that they should be prosecuted. The opportunity shoplifters, though, it would be nice to see them do community service.
Do you agree with me that the individuals who instigated the break-in at the Capitol on January 6 also deserve to be prosecuted?
No. of Recommendations: 1
Do you agree with me that the individuals who instigated the break-in at the Capitol on January 6 also deserve to be prosecuted? - CO.
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Prosecuted - Yes
Overcharged - No
No. of Recommendations: 3
Do you agree with me that the individuals who instigated the break-in at the Capitol on January 6 also deserve to be prosecuted?
What do you mean 'broke in'? Just simple sightseers.
No. of Recommendations: 2
bighairymike:Overcharged - No
Define "overcharged". And again, I wrote "instigators".
No. of Recommendations: 1
Define "overcharged". And again, I wrote "instigators". - CO
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Overcharged and should have included over sentenced,
defined as suffering a penalty disproportionate with intent to harm
No. of Recommendations: 1
I should add, the actual instigators, should receive the high end of the penalties.
No. of Recommendations: 7
Have we crossed some sort of lawlessness threshold where this is more-or-less the new normal?
We have crossed it bigly.
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
"We'll be looking very, very seriously at full pardons. I mean full pardons with an apology to many."
"LET THE JANUARY 6 PRISONERS GO," Trump,Truth Social, March 2023.
"The cops should be charged and the protesters should be freed."
From the top of the GOP to the bottom, lawlessness is embraced.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Mike
Smash and grab raids became common in the 1930s, and were particularly prevalent in the 1940s, but decreased in frequency as shopkeepers took to strengthening their windows and/or fitting protective grilles. By the 1950s, forced entry to shops was being effected by using cars and grappling irons to pull window bars off windows, a precursor to the 1980s phenomenon of ram-raiding.[4][5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smash_and_grab
No. of Recommendations: 3
Smash and grab raids became common in the 1930s, and were particularly prevalent in the 1940s, but decreased in frequency as shopkeepers took to strengthening their windows and/or fitting protective grilles. By the 1950s, forced entry to shops was being effected by using cars and grappling irons to pull window bars off windows, a precursor to the 1980s phenomenon of ram-raiding.[4][5]
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Surely you recognize these giant mobs doing coordinated looting is a new sort of crime. And the frequency and violence has certainly worsened over the last few years, as no cash bail and de=funding the police has produced the entirely predictable result.
No. of Recommendations: 1
BMH:
Surely you recognize these giant mobs doing coordinated looting is a new sort of crime. And the frequency and violence has certainly worsened over the last few years, as no cash bail and de=funding the police has produced the entirely predictable result.The term is street takeovers which began in 1980s, but we had similar things earlier usually centered around gangs.
"Gallup recently came out with their annual poll of American perceptions of crime trends and it’s a real doozy. Gallup has asked Americans how they would describe crime in the United States and locally every year since 2000, and a record 63 percent of respondents described crime in the United States as “Extremely Serious” or “Very Serious” in the most recent survey (conducted in October 2023). Moreover, 77 percent of respondents said there was more crime in the US than there was a year ago, largely on par with recent years."
https://jasher.substack.com/p/americans-are-bad-at...Read around.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Shoplifting is actually down - see of that continues<
Average annual shrink made up 1.57 percent of retail sales in 2022, up slightly from 2021 (1.44 percent) but down compared with 2019 (1.62 percent). The F.B.I. and the Bureau of Justice Statistics also found that theft and property crime ticked up in 2022 but remained below pre-Covid levels. There's a chart/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/briefing/shopli...Robbery has been trending down for some time. See chart
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191235/reporte...Flash mob robbery is up, but it isn't just the USA. Overall we are doing fine, but the Average American always thinks we are going to hell. We aren't, unless Trump gets elected.
No. of Recommendations: 2
BMH: Take for example, the smash and grab of the bakery in Compton. 100 coordinated looters stripped the place clean in a couple of minutes. Used a stolen car to bash in the store front to gain access.
Here's the problem I have with your read of the Compton bakery. There was a street takeover on that street. Spinning tires and drifting, etc. Some guys backed a stolen car into the bakery and a TOTALLY UNCOORDINATED MOB, there for the show, looted a bakery in Compton. A Bakery would not be my choice for a good heist Mike. But spur of the moment happens.
So the example you used was not organized coordinated shoplifting. Flash mob looting is usually coordinated online and has happened at least once in the UK. Been going on since 2011. We're still doing fine.
No. of Recommendations: 3
BHM: Great post. Notes:
<The AG gets it, he really does>
Yep, sharp as a mash potato sandwich this gem of an AG is. Mitch McConnell, love him or hate him, we need to give daily praise to God that Senator McConnell almost single handedly kept dimwitted Garland off the USSC.
<$950 'shopping' limit>
Here, in So Cal, we even have captured on video at least one entrepreneurial duo where one does the shopping, and his bud carefully tallies the take on his calculator, making sure they don't exceed $950! And we thought these thugs weren't intelligent!
<No solution? I can't think of one?>
I'm so old I remember when the rule was: "Shoot looters on sight". IIRC, it was moderately successful. Looting was 'minimal', to turn a phase. Some years back (I disremember. LA Watts riots? LA Rodney King riots? Great fun and games riots?) An LA Korean biz owner stood guard over his shop with a shot gun. For some reason, his shop came thru unscathed; prolly just a coincidence. FWIW: He never had to fire a shot, IIRC.
