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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/15/2024 5:35 PM
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...are nothing new in our history. Obama fired/force retired some 197 general officers during his administration.
Know who else did?

FDR. George C. Marshall carried it out.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-prepar...

First, why is a purge necessary?
the Biden administration’s stewardship of the Pentagon — from throwing it into the abortion debate, to mandating force-wide diversity, equity, inclusion seminars, to promoting climate activism at the expense of real-world mission requirements, to quixotic campaigns to weed out domestic extremists, the list goes on — represents the most extreme politicization of U.S. military forces in modern history. Therein is the inherent challenge that Republicans face in the courtrooms of newsrooms — radical progressive policies are considered routine, but the act of removing those policies is considered inherently political and divisive.

If you think the military needs to be weighing in abortion policy and celebrating pronouns, then you won't get it.

I fear we may be returning to the toxic practice of “history began yesterday” reporting, in which every proposed action by a Trump administration is written as a tectonic, norms-defying event without precedent or historic rationale.

We're already there.

Anyway:
I wish every officer in the United States armed forces and political appointees to the Pentagon would read On the Psychology of Military Incompetence, which was written by a British World War II veteran in the 1970s. The lieutenant turned psychologist Norman F. Dixon detailed, in a meticulous analysis of a century of British military disasters, how lack of focus, promoting the wrong qualities in an officer, and bureaucratic obsessiveness can lead to brutal and sometimes irreversible losses on the battlefield. To read it, and compare it to our officer corps today, is a disconcerting endeavor.
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/15/2024 5:42 PM
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Obama fired/force retired some 197 general officers during his administration.

If Trump only fires two dozen or so general officers per year, for a variety of reasons only some of which have to do with policy, that will be completely fine and consistent with historic norms and practice.

If his "warrior board" purges large numbers of general officers immediately, solely for policy reasons, you're talking about something else entirely.
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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/15/2024 6:17 PM
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If you think the military needs to be weighing in abortion policy and celebrating pronouns, then you won't get it.

They didn’t “weigh in”. They followed the lawful orders of civilian leadership, as good soldiers do.

Apparently, Trump doesn’t want troops who adhere to an ethical code of conduct. (Also see pardoning of Seals 4 years ago)

Which will also help create an army willing to be illegally turned loose on Americans. Of course, by that time, it may all be “legal” to do so.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/15/2024 7:31 PM
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If his "warrior board" purges large numbers of general officers immediately, solely for policy reasons, you're talking about something else entirely.

Not really. It's not just about pronouns. The Pentagon bureaucracy has been horrid for years. I'd highly recommend this book

https://www.amazon.com/Boyd-Fighter-Pilot-Who-Chan...

...about the guy who invented the notion of the OODA loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) which is the cornerstone of American tactical doctrine for the last 40 years. His concepts of aircraft design gave the Pentagon the F-15, the F-16 and the A-10, arguably 3 of the most successful combat aircraft ever built.

Even back in the 1970s you had a bureaucracy chock full of people who weren't thinking about what they were supposed to be doing. Now...it's much, much worse.

Clean house.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/15/2024 7:33 PM
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They didn’t “weigh in”. They followed the lawful orders of civilian leadership, as good soldiers do.

Merely one example. Having a contest to see who can out-DEI the other shows a lack of overall judgement.
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Author: BlueGrits   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/17/2024 7:42 PM
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Obama fired/force retired some 197 general officers during his administration

Reasons why they get in trouble:
- Disobeying orders
- Inappropriate relationships/behavior
- mishandling of nuclear assets
- repeated use of racist and/or sexist language in a public setting
- sexual assault
- public drunk
- sexual affairs with subordinates
- failing to address sexual assaults committed by underlings

"There are actually two lists that have been going around, one of nine officers and the other of over 200 supposedly fired by President Obama during his entire presidency. Any list of 200 people falls squarely in the Gish Gallop category, so we’re going to put that aside for now and just focus on the list of nine."
https://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/03/24/president-oba...

You might also find the following of interest:

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2015/02/0...

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-biggest-reasons...

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Author: Umm 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/18/2024 1:38 PM
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"...are nothing new in our history. Obama fired/force retired some 197 general officers during his administration.
Know who else did?"
- Dope

Typical Dope for ignoring the point of WHY the generals were fired. Willful ignorance in order to make a point. Dope's specialty.

"If you think the military needs to be weighing in abortion policy and celebrating pronouns, then you won't get it."

Nope. You don't get it.

Women in the military can get pregnant. They will need healthcare while pregnant. That you want to ignore this doesn't make it go away, it just makes you willfully ignorant.

It is no different than the military writing policies and procedures about general soldier healthcare or getting vaccine shots, or any of that. Just normal stuff that your political masters blow up into culture wars in order to outrage the ignorant masses.

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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/18/2024 1:53 PM
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Umm.....'Just like 2004 and George W Bush.....2016 and Trump......


Again congratulations on helping Trump become President in 2024.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/18/2024 2:11 PM
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Umm.....'Just like 2004 and George W Bush.....2016 and Trump......


Again congratulations on helping Trump become President in 2024.


Wow. Somebody *really* wants some attention!
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Author: wzambon 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/18/2024 5:00 PM
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Again congratulations on helping Trump become President in 2024.

Already trying to offload your responsibility for voting for Trump?

Never mind. You don’t have a clue what “personal responsibility means”. Talking to a rock, here.
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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/18/2024 5:21 PM
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Again congratulations on helping Trump become President in 2024.

Already trying to offload your responsibility for voting for Trump?
****

I VOTED FOR TRUMP - YES I AM RESPONSIBLE - UNLIKE you cowardly sheeple, I reply direct 100% of time )

I was thanking Umm and you - for your help.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/18/2024 6:21 PM
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Baaaaaaaaaaaaa - Echota

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Not knowing whether you follow Family Guy or not, but there is a character on there naned Roger who is an alien who says Baaaaaaaaaaaaa all the time and it is his voice I hear when I read what you type. This concludes this fascinating voyage into the mind of bhm. Back to the political acrimony.
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Author: EchotaSheeple   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/18/2024 6:26 PM
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Baaaaaaa attributed to Echota.

How tasty.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Pentagon Purges...
Date: 11/18/2024 6:40 PM
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Dumbassery.


Not knowing whether you follow Family Guy or not

American Dad <duh>
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