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Author: Banksy 🐝🐝🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 41818 
Subject: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/18/2025 5:15 PM
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Look at Trump setting records - just like he did with Covid...

"For 16 years, U.S. aviation had a perfect record—ZERO major commercial plane crashes.
Then Trump/Musk took over and in just 29 days the USA has had seven crashes, 15 aviation disasters, and 85 dead."

Here’s the breakdown:
1/29: First major crash in 16 years (67 dead in DC).
1/31: Learjet crashes in Philadelphia.
2/5: Japan Airlines collides with a Delta plane in Seattle.
2/6: Bering Air plane crashes in Nome, Alaska.
2/10: Learjet slams into a parked jet in Scottsdale, AZ.
2/12: Military fighter jet crashes into San Diego Bay.
2/16: Plane crashes in Covington, GA.
2/17: Delta flight flips over in Toronto.

"That’s seven plane crashes in 29 days. Plus 15 serious aviation incidents. This isn’t bad luck.
It’s what happens when you fire the people who keep planes in the sky. And even though planes keep crashing, he just keeps firing more air traffic controllers.
It’s almost like he wants them to crash."

https://www.thegodpodcast.com/p/donald-is-making-a...
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Author: g0177325   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/18/2025 5:25 PM
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First the planes, then the stock market, then democracy, then America. Will 40% of the voting public ever snap out of their stupor? I shudder to imagine where we'll be in 17 months at the semiquincentennial (half of 500) anniversary of the Founding in 1776.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/18/2025 7:17 PM
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Toronto>>>????

LOL keep it up.

You make it easier for the Musks and the Bannon's.

I hope they have the focus and wisdom to really do something lasting and set into motion some damaging and constitution altering stuff.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/18/2025 8:54 PM
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Blaming Toronto on Trump is peak left wing stupid.
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Author: AlphaWolf 🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/18/2025 9:09 PM
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Blaming Toronto on Trump is peak left wing stupid.

So your point is that DICKtator Trump is only responsible for six crashes in 29 days, 15 aviation disasters, and 85 dead.

I believe that’s referred to as rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/18/2025 10:20 PM
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Blaming Toronto on Trump is peak left wing stupid.

Let them blame President Trump, then sit back and laugh.
All they have anymore is to whine, cry and blame Trump for everything.

President Trump decimated the dem party so lets show them a little pity. 🤭
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/19/2025 12:18 AM
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So your point is that blaming Trump for Toronto is peak left wing stupid.

Actually, I’m wrong. I suspect that libs can be exponentially more stooopid given enough opportunities.
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Author: PucksFool 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/19/2025 5:42 AM
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Blaming Toronto on Trump is peak left wing stupid.

Ok, let's "The Father" a pass on being at fault for Toronto.

But...

Toronto is a pretty damned good metaphor for what Musk/Trump have done to US aviation in under a month. Just think what they will do with more time.
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Author: Banksy 🐝🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/19/2025 9:15 AM
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Blaming Toronto on Trump is peak left wing stupid.

Ok, I will remove Toronto...

"For 16 years, U.S. aviation had a perfect record—ZERO major commercial plane crashes.
Then Trump/Musk took over and in just 29 days the USA has had seven crashes, 15 aviation disasters, and 85 dead."

Here’s the breakdown:
1/29: First major crash in 16 years (67 dead in DC).
1/31: Learjet crashes in Philadelphia.
2/5: Japan Airlines collides with a Delta plane in Seattle.
2/6: Bering Air plane crashes in Nome, Alaska.
2/10: Learjet slams into a parked jet in Scottsdale, AZ.
2/12: Military fighter jet crashes into San Diego Bay.
2/16: Plane crashes in Covington, GA.

"That’s seven plane crashes in 29 days. Plus 15 serious aviation incidents. This isn’t bad luck.
It’s what happens when you fire the people who keep planes in the sky. And even though planes keep crashing, he just keeps firing more air traffic controllers.
It’s almost like he wants them to crash."

Better?
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Author: Banksy 🐝🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/19/2025 1:45 PM
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A crash on Sunday.
A crash on Monday.
Another crash today.

Trump/Musk incompetence on full display...

https://www.kold.com/2025/02/19/one-dead-plane-cra...

Well, at least the Emoluments Clause is dead and all the Jan 6th terrorists and cop beaters are free...
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Author: wzambon 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/19/2025 3:06 PM
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https://www.kold.com/2025/02/19/one-dead-plane-cra...

Tucson, huh?

Glad my wife and I cancelled our tickets to Tucson for tomorrow.

Chances are we could fly in without incident, but the risks are rising and are no longer negligible.

Why risk it when can wait for normal times to return….hopefully that will happen someday.

Gives us something to look forward to.


Meanwhile, to the degree that we are able, we will continue reducing the vulnerability we have to screwed up, DOGE induced stupidity in government.

Short of living in self contained survival mode, we can’t eliminate them all, but we can address the biggest ones and still have the sort of life that enables us to do the things we love.

Life is a matter of tradeoffs. Pick yours intentionally and wisely.
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Author: ptheland 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/19/2025 8:29 PM
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Tucson, huh?

Let's talk about this one.

This crash happened at a small airport north of Tucson that operates without a tower controller. The pilots are supposed to communicate on a designated frequency for the specific airport, often referred to a unicom.

Ideally, you state your intentions to enter the traffic pattern around the airport, including the runway and the direction of your pattern (left turns or right turns). Then you keep anyone in the area updated on your location in the pattern (downwind, turning base). Lastly, you make sure you broadcast your intentions - a full stop or a touch and go.

Since there is no tower at this airport, there are no recordings (at least none known at this time) of the communications between the pilots. But we do know that a slower plane came in to do a touch and go (very common during pilot training - which this was - a student and instructor), while a much faster plane was following behind them. The faster plane executed a missed approach (possibly because the slower plane was not clear of the runway, but that is unknown at the moment) and then ran into that slower plane. The faster plane crashed and the two occupants were killed. The slower plane was able to continue flying and came around for a successful landing. The student and instructor in that plane were uninjured or had very minor injuries.

The bottom line of all of this is that this crash had nothing to do with Air Traffic Control. This one is entirely on the two aircraft that were involved.

You can get a quick rundown of the incident here - 7+ minutes from an active airline pilot who also flies his smaller planes on a regular basis, Juan Browne of the blancolirio channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTq6bdRBrWk

--Peter
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Author: Banksy 🐝🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Making Planes Crash Again...
Date: 02/20/2025 9:09 AM
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The bottom line of all of this is that this crash had nothing to do with Air Traffic Control. This one is entirely on the two aircraft that were involved.

Excellent point Peter, thanks for the clarification.
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