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Author: PucksFool 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48481 
Subject: "Peace Negotiations"?
Date: 02/18/2025 5:41 AM
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https://snyder.substack.com/p/peace-or-partition?u...

Tomorrow in Ukraine, Russian soldiers will attack Ukrainians. Russian drones and bombs and rockets will target Ukrainian homes. A criminal war of aggression will continue.

Tomorrow in Saudi Arabia, Russian officials will discuss the future of Ukraine with an handful of Americans, delegated by a president who sympathizes with the Russian view of the war. The Russians will have the luxury of talking about Ukraine without the presence of Ukrainians.

The headlines are about “peace negotiations.” But what is really going on? How should we think about this unusual encounter in Saudi Arabia?

Here are ten suggestions, drawn from years on working on relations among the three countries, and from some recent personal observations at the Munich Security Conference.

1. Be critical of the words on offer. Question the word “peace.” The term used in the media is “peace negotiations.” The United States and Russia are not at war. Russia is at war with Ukraine, but Ukraine is not invited to these talks. Russian authorities, for their part, do not generally speak of peace. They present the talks with the United States as a geopolitical coup, which is not the same thing. The highest Russian officials have repeatedly stated that their war aims in Ukraine are maximalist, including the destruction of the country. Informed observers generally take for granted that Russia would use a ceasefire to distract the United States and Europe, demobilize Ukraine, and attack again. This is not a plan that the Russians are working very hard to disguise. It is a simple point, but always worth making: there could indeed be peace tomorrow in Ukraine, if Russia simply removed its invasion force.

2. Consider the horrid negotiating tactics of the United States. They are are so disastrously bad that they call into question whether these talks can even really be considered negotiations. Trump and everyone around him keeps emphasizing that the United States is in a hurry. But no negotiator would so this. Admitting urgency grants to the other side the easy move of dragging their feet to get concessions. And these are already on offer!


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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: "Peace Negotiations"?
Date: 02/18/2025 8:54 AM
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These are the kind of truths that tens of millions of Americans will never hear because they are locked into the lying propaganda machine that is FOX and all the other RW media.

Goddamn Rupert Murdoch to hell.

And the legitimate media continue to bend over backwards to be unbiased in the face of an onslaught of madness; continue to sanewash the insane.

1. Be critical of the words on offer. Question the word “peace.” The term used in the media is “peace negotiations.” The United States and Russia are not at war. Russia is at war with Ukraine, but Ukraine is not invited to these talks. Russian authorities, for their part, do not generally speak of peace. They present the talks with the United States as a geopolitical coup, which is not the same thing. The highest Russian officials have repeatedly stated that their war aims in Ukraine are maximalist, including the destruction of the country. Informed observers generally take for granted that Russia would use a ceasefire to distract the United States and Europe, demobilize Ukraine, and attack again. This is not a plan that the Russians are working very hard to disguise. It is a simple point, but always worth making: there could indeed be peace tomorrow in Ukraine, if Russia simply removed its invasion force.

2. Consider the horrid negotiating tactics of the United States. They are are so disastrously bad that they call into question whether these talks can even really be considered negotiations. Trump and everyone around him keeps emphasizing that the United States is in a hurry. But no negotiator would so this. Admitting urgency grants to the other side the easy move of dragging their feet to get concessions. And these are already on offer!
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: "Peace Negotiations"?
Date: 02/18/2025 9:10 AM
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But no negotiator would so this. Admitting urgency grants to the other side the easy move of dragging their feet to get concessions. And these are already on offer!

Hard to believe but there's a section of America that chuckles and chortles over the predicament the Ukraine is in. They'll swallow the whole Putin blaming it on the victim. Russia is infected with a "lost greatness, lost empire" mood that Putin appeals to for his war.
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