Subject: Re: Reminder - You are your own first responder
This debate is framed wrong.
Countries like Australia that practically eliminated gun ownership saw a precipitous drop in gun killings.
Gun ownership and gun killings have an almost linear relationship across the world (barring countries with high gang activity, but definitely in OECD). The only way to reduce gun killings is to reduce gun ownership. There is no other way short of a massive cultural shift towards nonviolence.

Facts can be contrary to ideology. What do you do? Cling to your ideological beliefs or face facts?